Forum:TC:Operation: Clodhopper

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep and move to Showdown on Stend IV. Imperators II(Talk) 08:08, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Operation: Clodhopper

Nowhere in the source, save for the title, is an "Operation: Clodhopper" mentioned. And since the titles of media are out-of-universe, it shouldn't be the canonical name of the subject. As for the subject itself, I believe there shouldn't be a conjectural-named article, either, since all the information concerning the subject should be covered in canonically-named articles, such as Army of Life, Stend IV (a current Featured Article nomination), Majestic Gundark, clodhopper, Knights of the Core, Gev-Toosa, and Dree-Tekes. There shouldn't be one more article where all that info is regurgitated.

Delete

Imperators II(Talk) 18:18, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

Keep

Keep and move to "Showdown on Stend IV"

  1. Creating a new voting option with Imperators' permission. This explanation may be long, so bear with me. After taking the time to read through this adventure, I'm of the opinion that the mission that the "freelance ecoterrorist" player-characters go on is not deserving of an article. The events of their mission are quite similar to those involving Han Solo's agreement to deliver Luke and Obi-Wan to Alderaan, which we wouldn't create an article for. The "mission" involves the player-characters getting in minor fisticuffs in a bar, having a little docking bay shootout, and then evading an N-1 starfighter blockade patrol before finally escaping into hyperspace and reaching Stend IV, where the adventure's most important event plays out, not unlike how Han Solo's contract climaxes with the rescue of Princess Leia. On Stend IV, the player-characters engage in what the source calls a "climactic battle," which I do feel should have an article. All of the aforementioned little skirmishes leading up to Stend IV should go in this battle article's Prelude section, and I would title this battle article "Showdown on Stend IV," in accordance with the "Part IV" subtitle. It would be like if we had a video game level or book chapter titled "Battle of Coruscant" -- we would absolutely treat that as a non-conjectural in-universe title while treating the title of the video game or book as OOU. In fact, this is essentially what we're doing with Showdown on Coruscant. The rest of the mission's prelude events can be covered in full, comprehensive detail in the Army of Life article, as Imperators is suggesting above. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:55, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  2. Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:57, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  3. Solid reasoning, can't argue with that. Imperators II(Talk) 20:04, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  4. Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:07, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  5. 1358 (Talk) 20:11, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  6. Exiled Jedi (talk) 22:12, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
  7. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:21, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
  8. Showdown hoedown. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 20:07, September 28, 2017 (UTC)
  9. Seems reasonable.JS-4422 (talk) 10:38, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
  10. Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:01, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
  11. IFYLOFD (Talk) 03:28, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

I'm curious as to the rationale behind not having a conjecturally named article. This seems like it was an actual conflict that took place. Can you elaborate more on your thinking? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:23, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

  • Like I said, everything that could potentially be said about this... plot, or plan, could and should be covered elsewhere—in fact, just the Army of Life article alone could probably say everything about this. I don't really see a reason why should a conjecturally-named article exist in this case, other than simply for the sake of existence. Imperators II(Talk) 18:35, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
    • Doesn't that set a really strange and unnecessary precedent for other conjecturally-named event articles? Why is this one different? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:57, September 14, 2017 (UTC)