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Novor 33 (talk - history - links - logs)

Secrets of the Sisar Run states there are 33 planets in the Novor system. But the 33rd is not nammed or mentionned in the book. Hk 47 (talk) 02:10, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Delete

  1. As nominator. Hk 47 (talk) 02:12, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
    The reputation of the original creator is enough for me to delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:36, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
    1358 (Talk) 20:13, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
  2. —Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 16:31, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
  3. JangFett (Talk) 16:31, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
  4. CC7567 (talk) 16:31, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
    Well okay then. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 16:33, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
    Rokkur Shen (talk) 03:58, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
    —MJ— Council Chambers 05:28, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
    Menkooroo (talk) 10:59, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Actually @Riff about that, for instance there are many planets that have like 20 moons, that doesn't mean we should create an article for every single one of them (this applies to the rest of the unotable planets in the system). If it's not notable then it should go and in this case only thing notable or relevant about it, is what I marked with a "Source?" tag, even though it is likely a typo. The planet's only indirect mention (if you can call it that) was the "There are 33 planets in the system", that seems pretty dull to be worth an article. Winterz (talk) 22:37, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  6. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 23:53, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Keep

  1. Planets are always notable. There were once 33 planets in the system, so there should be 33 articles on those planets, ala the Dilonexa system articles. The article title needs changing to reflect that it has no known name. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 11:04, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
    • Moons are different than planets. They can range from chunks of rocks to as big as the planet they orbit, whereas a planet is guaranteed to be a significantly massive body there. Even real solar system charts treat moons as subordinate: planet designations will be listed, then the number of moons if the body has any. Moons will still be given designations themselves, but they won't be listed unless you dig further into the planet's data. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 00:13, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:17, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  3. You gotta love sources that don't detail their content. If Secrets of the Sisar Run says there are 33 planets in the system, and we have an article for every planet that exists, this should remain, but with the conjectural title. *inclusionist punch* -- Riffsyphon1024 22:26, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Per Riffsyphon. --LelalMekha (talk) 22:30, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Cumulonimbus Cloud (ℳeeting ℛoom) 22:31, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Per Riff.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 22:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Per Naru below. Canonical name = article. —MJ— Comlink 00:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Per Riff and Naru Doctor Kermit(Complain.) 00:56, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Now that we have a canonical name <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 01:02, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Menkooroo (talk) 02:14, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Absolutely per below. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 16:52, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Since it has a canonical name. 1358 (Talk) 12:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Undoubtedly. Stake black msg 12:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Naru got it below. jSarek (talk) 22:21, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:53, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Discuss

  • I understand the article's creator is not reliable but he hardly worked on the article itself and after several, edits another user, who seems less unreliable and conflictuous (JaggedFel621) added the infobox and some new info, including an orbital position. So it may be possible that the planet was mentioned in that or another source, which provided that info, no? If so, and even if the name isn't canonical I, as a personal opinion, believe the article should be kept and the title reworded into a conjectural name in something like Unidentified thirty-third planet (Novor system), or within those lines. Winterz (talk) 19:28, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
  • From page 18 of Secrets of the Siskar Run: "Novor Major, now a red giant, expanded millennia ago, ripping apart half of the planets it hosted. The planets that survived were remarkably, not drastically affected. Sixteen planets—Novor 18 to Novor 33—remain in orbit." NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 00:20, January 28, 2013 (UTC)