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The result of the debate was keep. Graestan(Talk) 01:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Matthew Fillbach & Shawn Fillbach (talk - history - links - logs)
We already have an article for the Fillbach Brothers. As far as I can tell, they always work together and have no individual Star Wars credits to themselves. And the individual articles tell us nothing that the joint article does not.
Vote
Keep
- Keep as redirects. KEJ 18:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, that's a given. -- Ozzel 19:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- I would sooner have articles on the actual creators than an article on the pairing of the two. We shouldn't have collective individual articles. Even if Jan and John had never worked apart, we wouldn't have an article at John Ostrander and Jan Duursema. We have articles at Dob Moomo and Del Moomo regardless of the fact that they always appear as, and are more recognizable as, "The Moomo Brothers". Keep the Fillbach Brothers article if you want as an article on the pairing, or as a soft redirect to the individual pages, but we absolutely should not start a policy of deleting individual articles and smushing it all into some collective article simply because they tend to be spoken of together. We don't have an article on Tatooine's Twin Suns; we have an article on Tatoo I and Tatoo II. Phasing out more specific articles in favor of a collective is inane. Havac 00:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- See Havac above.—Silly Dan (talk) 01:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Per above. Unit 8311 10:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Per Havac. Graestan(Talk) 20:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Atarumaster88
(Talk page) 21:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC) - Per Havac. Green Tentacle (Talk) 23:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Greyman(Talk) 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strongly, per Hav. Jorrel
Fraajic 03:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Delete
- Ozzel 05:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- This may as well be a "merge and redirect" vote. -LtNOWIS 10:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Imperialles 12:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Comments
Two things in reply to Havac. 1) John & Jan are never credited as J. Ostranduursema. 2) I think I'm with you on the others, but I feel this is another instance of trying to apply our practices for covering fiction to real world stuff. Aside from their names, I don't think we know anything about them individually, as they are an artistic team. -- Ozzel 00:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- To throw another pairing in the mix to consider. We have Tim and Greg Hildebrandt. All of their SW work was done jointly. They are more commonly referred to as the Hildebrandt Brothers, and their articles are virtuallyy identical except for the fax that Tim is now deceased. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 01:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- But they worked separately for a number of years. On one hand, each of their articles could be uniquely written up, and that would make sense. On the other hand, Wikipedia has one article for the two of them, and that makes sense to me too. Tell me something unique about one of the Fillbachs aside from his name, and I might reconsider. -- Ozzel 01:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Should we need something more unique than their name? They're two separate people. Like I said, keep an article on the pairing itself if you want, but I see no reason to delete articles on individual creators other than deletion for its own sake. David Sherman and Dan Cragg haven't written anything Star Wars apart from each other. Should their articles be merged? The fact that we, at this moment, don't know much about the Fillbach brothers doesn't mean that they shouldn't have individual articles. Did they go to the same college? Did they marry the same woman? If Fourdot wants to give Matt and Shawn Fillbach the Burl treatment and goes online and digs up something so that we do know something unique about a Fillbach, would that change your mind? And if it did, why should an article's current state of completeness determine where it's put? Should we have an article on Guys who wrote stories for Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina whom we don't know much about and only split off articles on individuals when we know more? The only thing I'm seeing that distinguishes Matt and Shawn Fillbach from any other pair of articles on Star Wars creators is that they prefer to be credited together. While that is a difference, I don't think it's enough of one to justify deleting individual articles on them. Havac 20:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I do. To me, the Fillbach Brothers are like Digital Chameleon, with the only difference being that we know their names. Their notability comes from their work as a team, not from any individual work of their own. - Ozzel 02:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, Digital Chameleon is a company, is it not? That's different from being a creative duo. And if it is some sort of pseudonym for a creative team, then I would fully support having articles on both the pseudonym and the members behind it. Because those people are Star Wars creators, and we gain nothing by not having articles on them, other than some sort of pointless satisfaction in successfully looking down our noses at articles that don't fit our personal sense of priorities but aren't hurting anything. Havac 03:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I do. To me, the Fillbach Brothers are like Digital Chameleon, with the only difference being that we know their names. Their notability comes from their work as a team, not from any individual work of their own. - Ozzel 02:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Should we need something more unique than their name? They're two separate people. Like I said, keep an article on the pairing itself if you want, but I see no reason to delete articles on individual creators other than deletion for its own sake. David Sherman and Dan Cragg haven't written anything Star Wars apart from each other. Should their articles be merged? The fact that we, at this moment, don't know much about the Fillbach brothers doesn't mean that they shouldn't have individual articles. Did they go to the same college? Did they marry the same woman? If Fourdot wants to give Matt and Shawn Fillbach the Burl treatment and goes online and digs up something so that we do know something unique about a Fillbach, would that change your mind? And if it did, why should an article's current state of completeness determine where it's put? Should we have an article on Guys who wrote stories for Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina whom we don't know much about and only split off articles on individuals when we know more? The only thing I'm seeing that distinguishes Matt and Shawn Fillbach from any other pair of articles on Star Wars creators is that they prefer to be credited together. While that is a difference, I don't think it's enough of one to justify deleting individual articles on them. Havac 20:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- But they worked separately for a number of years. On one hand, each of their articles could be uniquely written up, and that would make sense. On the other hand, Wikipedia has one article for the two of them, and that makes sense to me too. Tell me something unique about one of the Fillbachs aside from his name, and I might reconsider. -- Ozzel 01:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)