Forum:TC:Fel II's brother

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The result of the debate was delete.—Silly Dan (talk) 11:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Fel II's brother (talk - history - links - logs)

Aside from the valid issue raised on the article's talk page about the subject's gender, this is an invalid article. This character has never been referenced in any Star Wars work or by any authors; his/her existence is supposition based on the existence of another character. This, while likely, is blatant OR/fanon, and there is precedent to delete such articles. I'm not sure a TC is even strictly necessary.

Voting

Delete as fanon/OR

  1. Per above and precedent. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. Per Acky. For all we know, Mohrgan Fel could be a distant cousin, not a first cousin. Cylka-talk- 18:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. Delete. When (if) he gets indirectly mentioned, we create a more valid article. Mauser 18:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. Attica! IFYLOFD (Come with me if you want to live.) 18:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Per precedent. We could also create "Fel II's mother," "Fel II's mother's mother," "Fel II's mother's mother's mother," ad infinitum, because we know that every non-clone human has a mother. Doesn't mean we should be doing that math. jSarek 19:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  6. Unnecessary vote. This should be a speedy IMO. Master JonathanJedi Council Chambers 19:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  7. This is a nice example of not assuming Earth standards automatically hold weight in the SW universe. As a crazy hypothetical, how do we know that they can't somehow be cousins without what we understand to be normal familial lineage? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  8. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 20:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  9. On second thought, since it can't even be verified that Roan and Mohrgan were first cousins, it would be best to delete this. Tinwe 15:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
  10. Graestan(Talk) 22:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  11. Grunny (Talk) 00:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  12. Per above. Roan and Mohrgan may not be first cousins, or Roan could've had a sister who married a guy with the same last name. Or Mohrgan is Fyric Fel's long-lost, carbonite-frozen brother, and he's Roan's first cousin twice removed. -LtNOWIS 06:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  13. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 10:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Keep, opening up the possibility for Sair Yonka's mother

Commentary

Archive of talk page: "Why not sister?"

Aren't we jumping the gun a bit here? Simply because Mohrgan's last name was Fel, it doesn't actually prove that it was his father who must have been the Fel, and thus Fel II's brother. For all we know, Mohrgan could have been the son of Fel II's sister. While I agree that this is the least likely of the two options, given how last names in the GFFA seem to be in most cases inherited from the father's side of the family and not from the mother's, evidence to support this argument exists as well. Sola Naberrie and his husband, for example, decided to name their children Naberrie, as the name was well known within the social and political circles of Naboo. Would make perfect sense to me if the hypothetical sister of Fel II and his husband would want to name their children Fel, since the name carries such political weight and authority. Should the article be moved to "Fel II's sibling", just to be on the safe side? If it hasn't been confirmed anywhere that it indeed was Mohrgan's father who was the Fel, then we are just assuming here. A reasonable assumption it might be, but an assumption nonetheless. Thoughts? --Tinwe 15:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I have to say that I think you have a valid point here. I can also add in a couple of possible (although highly unlikely) scenarios by saying that maybe both of Mohrgan's parents were actually of the Fel family—albeit distant cousins who were married—and that is why he has the Fel surname. Or maybe Mohrgan's mother gave birth to him out-of-wedlock, and he was given his mother's surname. I do admit that these are wildly speculative theories, but since we do not have any other confirmation, moving this article to Fel II's sibling may be the best move. Cylka-talk- 16:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)