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Category:Rogue Squadron battles (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)
So, this category includes every battle Rogue Squadron has participated in. However, I think this is a terrible precedent to set; going by this example, we'd end up with battles that have a dozen categories because of their participants. I'm TC'ing this on the same principle why we don't have "Category:Battles which X participated in" and "Category:Individuals killed by X". It's unnecessary.
However, the point has been raised that Rogue Squadron's sort of a special case, considering how extensive their activities have been documented; if this category is kept, I think that it should be as a special case, and that this should really be the only one of its kind.
Delete
- Cade
Calrayn 00:22, April 18, 2014 (UTC) - A squadron, no matter how important, is not significant enough for an own battle category. Clone Commander Lee Talk 00:54, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- This should not be a thing that exists. It should all be in the squadron article, and if it's not then someone should fix that, but whether or not someone gets around to that, this thing which should not exist needs to cease existing. It doesn't matter what anyone says about a "special case," bad precedent is bad. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 01:29, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think this sets a bad precedent...--Exiled Jedi
(Greetings) 01:48, April 18, 2014 (UTC) - Per the above. Stake black msg 02:00, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't buy the argument that "it's okay for these cases but not all". We should be promoting consistency, not making arbitrary exceptions. It should be done for everyone or no one, and since doing it for everyone is not practical, then it should not be done for anyone. Also per Culator.
Master Jonathan 
Council Chambers 04:32 UTC Sun April 20, 2014 - Agreed. Winterz (talk) 18:32, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Although I like Jorrel's idea about other faction battles, better that there be a precedent where we don't have them. Corellian Premier
The Force will be with you always 02:21, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
Keep
- Given the sheer number of exploits attributed to Rogue Squadron throughout the EU, their popularity, and the fact they have both a novel series and comic series dedicated to them, I believe that this category to be necessary to fairly represent and organise their adventures. However, like Cade says, this should be more of a exception than a rule, and only be preserved due to the in-universe fame of Rogue Squadron itself (which, itself, has IU fanboys). I would also advocate a similar one for Wraith Squadron. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 01:01, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Yes, ideally the Rogue Squadron should have all of this information, but it's not an ideal world and there's no easy way to see an overview of every battle the Rogues have been in. Also, per Cav, I'd move that this be an exception based on IU notability (the Rogues and the Wraiths being the two most obvious), not the rule. JorrelFraajic 01:21, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- What about the 181st? Just to be fair to the other side :P Manoof (talk) 12:57, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- I did say "most", and if there's proof of IU notoriety, I personally would be okay with the 181st being added to the exception list. The only other one might be acceptable in an exception list would be the 501st Legion, which might not have the source list of the Rogues but definitely has the in-universe notoriety of them. JorrelFraajic 13:10, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- I did say "most", and if there's proof of IU notoriety, I personally would be okay with the 181st being added to the exception list. The only other one might be acceptable in an exception list would be the 501st Legion, which might not have the source list of the Rogues but definitely has the in-universe notoriety of them. Jorrel
- What about the 181st? Just to be fair to the other side :P Manoof (talk) 12:57, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't agree with this JangFett (Talk) 01:21, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- IU notability is enough of an exception for me Manoof (talk) 12:57, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
- Notability, plus it's a useful category. KEJ (talk) 18:03, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see why we shouldn't have articles like this for every unit that we know participated in multiple battles - Category:501st Legion battles, Category:Katarn Commandos battles, Category:Imperial Hammers Elite Armor Unit battles, Category:Hitak Harriers battles, and so forth. jSarek (talk) 21:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
