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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:46, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Bith Black Sun Vigo (talk - history - links - logs)

This guy does not appear in any source other than a Star Wars Miniatures line. The BTS explicitly states "there are no known Black Sun Vigos who are members of the Bith species." We have no evidence that anything related to the Miniatures is canon, and perhaps the most damning evidence that Star Wars Miniatures is non-canon is that the face of Revan on his miniature was declared to be non-canon by Leland Chee. I say delete as non-canonical as well as game mechanics.

Delete as game mechanics/non-canon

  1. —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 21:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
  2. And per his appearance "as a "Non-Unique" character". Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 21:52, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Per both Jons. JangFett Talk 22:53, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Per both Jons, and per a similar precedent set by Forum:TC:Unidentified Iotran bounty hunter. jSarek 08:39, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Grunny (Talk) 09:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 16:52, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
  7. MauserComlink 16:10, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  8. JMAS Hey, it's me! 16:39, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  9. Chack Jadson (Talk) 13:09, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
  10. I agree per the precedent jSarek cites, but I would like to point out that not everything from Miniatures is automatically non-canon, AFAIK. This page, for example, is perfectly legitimate. It's important that we do discern. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:50, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh, absolutely. Another example would be Ayy Vida, who we only know is an assassin through her Miniatures card. Concrete information about specific topics is another case entirely from this. jSarek 20:31, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Pity though. Its a fantastic image. The Doctor K.(No I'm not really a doctor.) 02:21, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
  12. Graestan(Talk) 14:32, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
  13. But someone please find another article to house the image. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:23, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Keep

Should be kept under the assumption that ALL miniatures material is canon (It is officially released via Lucasfilm Ltd. after all), UNLESS specifically proven otherwise as is the case with Revan's mask. Pabr Oebris 13:39, September 28, 2009 (UTC) (user is banned)

  • The trick is, it is a non-unique charatcer. Which would equal, for example, one of several unnamed Duros you can encounter on Tatooine in KOTOR, who all say the same line and have zero relevance to the plot. MauserComlink 13:45, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
    • Although it is stated it is a "non-unique" character, does not the fact that it is the only example of a Bith Vigo make it in fact unique? Pabr Oebris 03:09, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
      • No. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - there could've been several Bith vigos. Moreover, as discussed in Forum:TC:Unidentified Iotran bounty hunter, non-unique characters are designed to be representative of a class of individuals, rather than a specific individual. jSarek 06:14, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

To avoid vote-splitting, please do not add any other vote options without discussing them here first. Thanks. —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 21:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Could the results of this TC be applied to similar articles, such as Unidentified CorSec officer? MauserComlink 16:10, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

  • I think probably not . . . there's a lot of precedent for those "generic" images actually representing someone specific (e.g. B'ink Utrila and Belia Darzu). jSarek 19:35, September 17, 2009 (UTC)