Forum:SH Archive/Standardise header templates

This forum is to discuss the standardisation of header templates, be they for the article itself, or for the talk pages. Also, a series of new templates will be proposed.

Proposal

Standardisation

To standardise all templates to feature a relevant picture, a quote from the movies, or a paraphrase, with the description below. Exsisting expamples of the proposed guide are below. {{Tlx|IDRIVE}} {{Tlx|Majorspoiler}} {{NPOV}} {{Cleanup}}

Support

1. .... 06:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Themelle444 15:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
3. Adamwankenobi 00:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
4. - breathesgelatin^Talk 21:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Sorry, I just don't think that it is necessary.–Sentry^Talk 00:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Weak Oppose to complete standardization. I think most of our header templates *should* undergo this standardization, but this does make them a lot more garish, which simply isn't appropriate for some of our templates which we would prefer to keep low-key. jSarek 09:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments

• It just makes the whole thing neater, and more aesthetically pleasing. .... 06:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with JSarek. In some cases, the header templates are already larger than they really need to be. Many of them should really be condensed down to a simpler and less distracting form, like we did for {{more sources}}.–Sentry^Talk 22:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I would say that we need large templates to catch users attention - because most of them are asking for something to be done .... 23:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Yes, but this is an encyclopedia and our primary purpose is to present information in a readable form. Some of our articles currently look more like a construction yard than anything else. When a header template is more distracting to the reader than the problem that it is meant to address, we have a problem.–Sentry^Talk 23:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Exactly. Yes, some of our templates are asking for something to be done, but not all. A featured article, barring a way to vote them out being decided on, will always be a featured article. Until more info comes out, many of our stubs are likely to stay stubs. A self-contradictory article may be that way because the source material is contradictory, and there won't be a way to fix it unless and until some source retcons the problem. Furthermore, some problems would be *nice* to correct, but it may be a while before it happens ({{more sources}} and {{Tlx|redlinks}} being good examples). jSarek 00:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, the ones I was talking about in particular are the ones I posted below. .... 03:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
            • Well, that's not what how the proposal is worded . . . "To standardise all templates to feature a relevant picture, a quote from the movies, or a paraphrase, with the description below." jSarek 03:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
              • Oh, well, I mis-worded it. All "Header" templates, really. .... 03:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

New Featured Article Talk Page Template

Old template: {{Featured}} New Template {{Tlx|User:Thefourdotelipsis/featuredarticletemp}}

Support

1. .... 06:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Adamwankenobi 00:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
3. - breathesgelatin^Talk 22:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I don't see the need to change talk page templates such as this one.–Sentry^Talk 07:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
   • I just thought it would give us an overall nice aesthetic, like they've got over at Wikipedia. .... 07:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments

New Featured Article Candidate Template

Old template: {{Tlx|Nominated}} New template: {{Tlx|User:Thefourdotelipsis/factemplate}}

Support

1. .... 06:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Adamwankenobi 00:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
3. - breathesgelatin^Talk 22:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

• It needs a border… –Sentry^Talk 21:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  • It has one. Feel free to change the colour .... 23:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Oops, sorry about that. I am the slightest bit color blind, so I sometimes have trouble identifying and differentiating certain shades of green.–Sentry^Talk 02:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
      • That's OK, do you think it still needs changing? .... 03:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk Header

Used on Wikipedia, helps new users who are inexperienced as to how a talk page works. {{Tlx|User:Thefourdotelipsis/talkheader}}

Support

1. .... 06:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Adamwankenobi 00:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose. This one just seems unnecessary to me. jSarek 09:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
2. The template was already made, but is undergoing a VFD: Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Template:Talkheader. –Sentry^Talk 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments

See the VFD .... 23:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Doppelganger

Old template: {{Doppelganger}} New template:

This is my decoy . . . my protection . . . my loyal bodyguard. This account is a doppelganger account, created by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], an established user, to prevent impersonation by vandals. Please see the talk page for relevant discussion. Administrators - Please notify [[User talk:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] when taking any action on this account.

Support

1. Support jSarek 09:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Definitely.–Sentry^Talk 21:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
3. .... 23:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
4. - breathesgelatin^Talk 22:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
5. I need a name (Complain here) 22:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

• I originally posted a preliminary version of this one in Template talk:Doppelganger, where Sentry cleaned it up and made it spiffier. It may look better with a screenshot of the scene from Ep. I where it takes place, though. jSarek 09:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Thefourdotelipsis/twoconflicting]]

{{Tlx|User:Thefourdotelipsis/twoconflicting|[[Darth Bane: Path of Destruction]]|[[Jedi vs Sith]]}}

Support

1. .... 00:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

• Needed for some articles, I think, especially with the occasional EU dis-coordination that we get. .... 00:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Notes

Feel free to play around with the size of the images of these templates in the effort of improving them, but if you have a new design, or better quote, could you please submit it as a new template at the bottom of the above list. Thanks, .... 06:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• We really need to make some new images specifically for these templates, so that they are all the same dimensions. Eg. Make new 4:3 ratio images and resize to 125px (or whatever) wide in all templates. --Azizlight 06:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• I always think they look nicer with borders. --—beeurd ^talk 01:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Feel free to alter them, by all means. .... 03:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm kinda confused here. I have already standardized most of the header templates. Currently, header templates that include an in-universe image have a 2 pixel border and a color scheme that is meant to match the picture. Other templates have a 1 pixel border and their coloring is not standardized (though it probably should be). All header templates have a width of 85% and include three possible font sizes: heading (<big>), body text, and small print (<small>).
      What changes are you proposing? If you want to make every single header template look like your examples, then I disagree on the grounds that it is not always possible to find a relevant in-universe image and quote.–Sentry^Talk 06:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• I'm talking about the templates I've got up there (how are the quotes not suitable?), and proposing a new Talk Header. .... 07:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• If we want to standardize, we should get a fixed image size. On a side note, I'm pleased to see how far this method of templates has come since the introduction of Template:Doom. --SparqMan 16:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, we've got the majority...of two. .... 23:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Three. .... 01:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)