Having let this slip onto the back burner for a while, it's finally time for me to return to my proposal on what we should do with page numbers. Previous discussion of the idea can be found here. I really like the idea that Fred and SilverSunbird suggested at the end of the discussion and have had some further thoughts of my own. Therefore my current proposal would be that we create subpages formatted as Index:PAGENAME which we would link to with a template located just below the Appearances (or Sources if there are no appearances) section heading of the article. The subpage would then contain a single list to which all relevant media could be added in chronological release order. We could also include the release dates (with a reference) for each piece of media on the page, something which is currently sometimes included as hidden notes in the sources section of the article but is removed from status articles. The subpage would therefore be a separate and totally optional page that wouldn't effect any nomination processes other then to insure that any existing index page was linked, similar to mediacat pages.
I've put together examples of what this might look like here for the article and here for the Index Page.
One thing that making these has made me realise is that we'd need to agree on certain standards like how we count pages if no page numbers are provided. The formatting of bolding the date is also just something I did to avoid a sea of blue and differentiate the different pieces of information, would be very open to alternate ways to do that.
In the previous thread on this the main concern raised was that this was a duplication of info from the sources and appearances. While there will be the same set of links, I think the fact that this will be in release order for all media means that those links are being presented in a different enough content for it to be a value repetition. I would oppose pretty much any method that instead adds the page number to the existing sources and appearances lists, as that would be mixing optional content in with mandatory content and would also make those lists far more confusing for inexperienced editors to add to if we used any coding or templates to have page numbers hidden. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Would also be happy for anyone to look at throwing together a fancy template for the link from the main article rather then the plain text I've used in my example here. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
- Regarding your very last point, I think it might in fact be a good idea to format such a template the same way the Mediacat one looks. Imperators II(Talk) 12:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Seconded. SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thirded. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 23:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fourthed. SilverSunbird (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- In your example, you have a subject that appears in one scene or page, do you have formatting in mind for subjects that appear repeatedly? What about reference books where they may appear in an image on a couple pages whilst having a section on two additional pages, mixing the mention/po nature? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- The example I put together for the previous Senate Hall shows some of these scenarios and can be found here. However, for characters that appear throughout an entire book or film we'd need to either chose to have some kind of note to mention this or use some kind of higher level of notation like using just chapters or marking first and last mention/appearance. Ultimately, because this is optional, I think there is some benefit to leaving a fair amount of flexibility in the level of precision people go to. Someone just adding chapter number is still more beneficial to readers and editors then them not putting anything at all for example, and someone can always come along later and add more detailed information if they desire. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't a huge concern, but wouldn't creating those pages in the main namespace artificially inflate our article count? JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 23:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's why it's in the "Index" namespace, a new namespace we would request to have created for us. MasterFred
(talk) (he/him) 04:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome, didn't know we could do that. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 02:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's why it's in the "Index" namespace, a new namespace we would request to have created for us. MasterFred
- I'm not entirely sure how it'd work but throwing out the idea of utilizing tables? Columns could be for the title, release date, location. Maybe another to specify editions? NBDani
Yeager's Repairs 01:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Seconding this. Tables would provide a handy and neat way to format these pages, making it easier to find and sort the information contained within. SilverSunbird (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ah yeah that's a good idea, I've create another sample page for it here, although with a fairly basic table. If anyone with better coding knowledge wants to try anything fancier then please go ahead. I suppose we could also add media type as a column as well if people think it'd be useful. Ayrehead02 (talk) 06:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Seconding this. Tables would provide a handy and neat way to format these pages, making it easier to find and sort the information contained within. SilverSunbird (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
