Hello,
So, there's a lot of characters named after someone, like Ri-Lee Howell after Riley Howell, etc. We have maybe 20 or so pages stubbed made with pretty just one sentence: "PERSON had CHARACTER named after them by [author/contributor, or whoever]."
Notable fans has a bunch of them, but they were all made years ago. My question is: are they notable? The way I see it is that either:
- We have hundreds to make, or
- Maybe 20-30 or so to delete.
It's becoming increasingly more relevant in the age of social media in which some creators choose to share more, but yet most of these pages were created ages back and they aren't often made now. As for precedent, I did stumble on this TC thread, which pretty much suggested that instead of TCing one article out of many, of which they're all the same level of notability, to bring it up for a discussion instead to make a rule either way, then move forward.
My personal take is that if the only piece of information is "CHARACTER was named after PERSON."—fullstop, no more information, that isn't enough for a page if it's not mentioned in any form of source. But that if there's more; say, how Cavan Scott expounded on the story of Ai-Dan Yelooc or similar, or it's something Lucasfilm decided to do like Riley Howell, there's enough meat there to not redirect it to the character. Conversely, we have many status article BtSes that simply state "An author named [character] after their friend, [name]." and leave it at that, then we could establish the precedent of creating redirects for such.
Thoughts? (This is mostly aimed at the specifically no-more-info-than-name ones that'll always really remain that way, out of lack of info. Not anything with more lore.)—spookywillowwtalk 19:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
- I agree with spooky's take. There will be cases where lore or other IU context exists to warrant pages. There will also be cases where there's literally only the naming aspect of it, and I think that noting that on creator's pages and making redirects is the appropriate action in that case. Wok142 (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Generally, I think that this type of information should be in the BTS section of the appropriate article. There might be a case for particularly notable people but I would say it should be extremely rare. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 20:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's worth an article, readers may see the reference and come to us to see if there is more information. Often there will not be, but they won't know it till they come have a look, and we would be doing a disservice to not include this. Making these redirects may also be confusing to users looking for this information, as limited as it may be. ℳÅℕ☉❂Ⅎ she/he/zhe/xe/they/them 14:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm of the opinion that the namedrop alone isn't notable enough. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 13:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- In agreeance with others that simply naming after isn't enough. Sometimes there's an story/specific reason behind the naming which does feel notable, otherwise redirecting the individual's name to the BTS section of the relevant page feels sufficient Lewisr (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just a spinning-up note that I'll have some proposed wording by shortly; been quite busy 'round and haven't gotten to.—spookywillowwtalk 22:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps "Articles may be created for real world individuals for whom in-universe characters were named in tribute if there is a known story expanding on the event of the naming"? This would certainly include most of the folks within the Notable fans category who had characters named after them, mostly due to their illnesses and/or passing, while allowing us to delete any that don't actually have a story behind the naming—I can't say for sure which few existing articles might face deletion as we should confirm by checking the sources, but it possibly includes Sonja Beyer-Paulsen, Gavin Bryars, Brandon Connors, Tracy Duncan, Dave Everett, Kenneth Haynie, Bryan Lewis, Orrin Marko, and Jacob Tartakovsky going by the little information on them at present. Of course, if there's debate about what constitutes a significant "story," then it can be settled on a case-by-case basis via TC. …One extra thing we might want to consider is the case of using a person's likeness for comic illustrations: Roseanna Chickos, Mish'al Samman, and Thomas J. Spanos (the latter also designed costumes that were used for some illustrations). OOM 224 (he/him/they) 18:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)