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The book 'Fistful of Credits' written by Bill Olmesdahl and published in 1992 is a reference to 'Fistful of Dollars' (1964-great Eastwood film). I was told I need proof to say so, but I think the answer is pretty obvious. I would call the title of this book plagiarism if it doesn't mention getting inspiration from the movie 'Fistful of Dollars'. I wouldn't call this 'speculation'. And, from what I gather, it's not a completely unrelated storyline. I thought it would be a good idea to mention these things in the article called 'Fistful of Credits', but am not allowed. I just want to know what other people think about this. Daigear 23:52, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Like I told you in my note: "You need an official source to specifically say 'We took the title from A Fistful of Dollars' in order to add it to the Wook." Until you get that, even if it is a random series of 100 letters that corresponds exactly with a series from Star Trek, you cannot put it in an article. Them's the rules. NaruHina Talk
00:11, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
Those are the rules. I got the meaning of your note the first time. Anyways, this topic was added so other administrators could provide their perspectives on the issue. Please allow for other administrators to provide their perspectives. Daigear 00:28, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- It's not a matter of perspectives. It's a matter of site policy. I can almost guarantee that you won't hear anything contrary to what Naru said. Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 00:50, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- that's one problem though. MANY articles here have BTS sections, such as Watcher, where unfounded speculation on the subject is presented.<-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 17:35, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Then be BOLD and remove it. NaruHina Talk 20:02, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I guess that was my question. Should there be a CT about this, or is it considered "ok" to put speculation in BTS sections saying something like "The title of this article may be in homage to the classic movie Fistful of Dollars. Or if it's confirmed it's not ok, then we have a ton of articles to edit. Basically I want to know if there is a definitive answer before I start removing tons of stuff.<-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 20:21, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Then be BOLD and remove it. NaruHina Talk
- that's one problem though. MANY articles here have BTS sections, such as Watcher, where unfounded speculation on the subject is presented.<-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 17:35, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- If you have legal cause and authority to say that the similarity is plagiarism, then you could add it to the article. Just run it by your attorney first if you're so adamant about it. Using a little common sense will get you a long way. The Space Cowboy 01:00, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't plagiarism because they changed the title. "Gnarnia," anyone? If you really want to add a note about the title to the article, find a way to contact the author and make it official. Publish scans of the exchange (preferably through e-mail) to the Wook and then source the sentence. NaruHina Talk
01:09, February 9, 2011 (UTC) - In a way, I wish he/she would add it to the article, so they can be formally introduced to the legal system if they hasn't already. Plagiarism is a crime. Putting that on the article would be tantamount to slander. Also an offence. The Space Cowboy 01:14, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok maybe a little harsh. If there are similarities, they are better described as "paying homage" to previous works, if they are to be described at all. Yes that is just my opinion, but we aren't talking about canon fact here, we are talking about a published author, an actual person, and his approach to writing under Lucasfilm. Using terms like "plagiarism" are a little disrespectful me thinks. The Space Cowboy 13:04, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Every poet's a thief! The Space Cowboy 01:44, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok maybe a little harsh. If there are similarities, they are better described as "paying homage" to previous works, if they are to be described at all. Yes that is just my opinion, but we aren't talking about canon fact here, we are talking about a published author, an actual person, and his approach to writing under Lucasfilm. Using terms like "plagiarism" are a little disrespectful me thinks. The Space Cowboy 13:04, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't plagiarism because they changed the title. "Gnarnia," anyone? If you really want to add a note about the title to the article, find a way to contact the author and make it official. Publish scans of the exchange (preferably through e-mail) to the Wook and then source the sentence. NaruHina Talk
- There's no reason why you can't mention that the name bears similarity with the real-life film, and let the readers make the connection themselves. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:14, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I agree fully with you Admirable Ackbar. The article 'Limmie', for instance, compares 'Limmie' to real-world football (soccer), but this is entirely permitted. In the article's words Limmie "seems to parallel the real-world sport of Football (soccer)". Here the word 'seems' makes what some call speculation permissible. While many say that no speculation can be put forward, the Behind The Scenes section is used specifically for that purpose. Daigear 00:17, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- The speculation on Limmie has been removed. Good catch considering I just CAN'd all those teams and didn't notice. That was not allowed, it was just missed like all the other unsourced statements like the one you tried to put on FFoC. If someone can get Leland Chee, the authors of the HoloNet articles, or George Lucas to say it is based on Soccer, it can be put back up. Also, Acky, by site policy it still needs a source tag, so it needs a credible source to link to. NaruHina Talk 17:35, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok if you're saying that's the official policy, then tons of BTS need to be removed, like Arkanis sector. Hell, you could probably wipe out the whole section on lifeday<-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 17:51, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Don't make it sound like a Crusade. If you see it, delete it. And remember, if it references a person confirming it, look into the issue before deleting it. For example, the earthly analoge section of Life Day could conceivably be sourced proper and, in the mean time, it provides in-text citation so it doesn't have to be deleted. NaruHina Talk 18:18, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh. That whole "Earthly analogue" section is ridiculous anyway, as the day after Thanksgiving has long been regarded as the beginning of the Christmas season. Unverified mini-essays like these are textbook examples of why we've been tightening the sourcing requirements of Bts sections over the years. jSarek 21:30, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Don't make it sound like a Crusade. If you see it, delete it. And remember, if it references a person confirming it, look into the issue before deleting it. For example, the earthly analoge section of Life Day could conceivably be sourced proper and, in the mean time, it provides in-text citation so it doesn't have to be deleted. NaruHina Talk
- Ok if you're saying that's the official policy, then tons of BTS need to be removed, like Arkanis sector. Hell, you could probably wipe out the whole section on lifeday<-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 17:51, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
- The speculation on Limmie has been removed. Good catch considering I just CAN'd all those teams and didn't notice. That was not allowed, it was just missed like all the other unsourced statements like the one you tried to put on FFoC. If someone can get Leland Chee, the authors of the HoloNet articles, or George Lucas to say it is based on Soccer, it can be put back up. Also, Acky, by site policy it still needs a source tag, so it needs a credible source to link to. NaruHina Talk
- I agree fully with you Admirable Ackbar. The article 'Limmie', for instance, compares 'Limmie' to real-world football (soccer), but this is entirely permitted. In the article's words Limmie "seems to parallel the real-world sport of Football (soccer)". Here the word 'seems' makes what some call speculation permissible. While many say that no speculation can be put forward, the Behind The Scenes section is used specifically for that purpose. Daigear 00:17, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
