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The result of the debate was to not use spoiler tags on the Revan article. –SentryTalk 02:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I already posted this on Revan's talk page, but I think it's time to put it to a voting.
- I remember arguing for using spoiler tags in case of this article. I would like to restart this debate and try to convince people that Revan indeed needs a spoiler warning.
- First of all, I could imagine that a rookie KotOR player would like to know some background info about a thought-to-be dead Sith Lord, say because he thinks he did not get something from the in-game explanations. If such exists, which I have the right to assume because KotOR uses a language that is hard to understand for non-advanced speakers of English, he would like to find a factual source to ameliorate this misunderstanding, and the big "spoiler" gets revealed in like the opening quote.
- I propose some articles like Chewbacca, Vector Prime, KotOR, and Revan to still have spoiler tags. If nothing else, we could do something like "This article contains major spoilers for xxx". TopAce 13:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Re-introduce spoiler tags
- TopAce 13:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Don't use spoiler tags
- StarNeptuneTalk to me! 13:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Jedi Dude 14:38, 5 August 2006
- Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
15:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC) - —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- RedemptionTalk
17:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC) - No. See my comments below. -Finlayson 19:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- The game was published three years ago. Users defending the Revan article against "so called" spoilers have already made that article almost uneditable. Let it go. –SentryTalk–22:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- —Silly Dan (talk) 22:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Comments
There's already a warning on the main page stating that there will be spoilers on this wiki. Not to sound rude, but if people ignore that warning, then it's their own fault if they get spoiled. Granted, we do have {{Spoiler}}, but that is for new releases and I don't think we have decided how long to leave it up. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 13:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- agreed, if people don't pay heed to warnings giving then its their own falt, Wookie is not a spolier free zone, its eays to see that so people should be prepared to see spoilers. Wasn't it agreed Majorspoiler was for around a month? I mean it was for betrayel..Jedi Dude 13:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- What do you think how many actually read everything from the front page before starting to browse? We do need a spoiler warning tag. - TopAce 14:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- On the other hand, they maynot reach the front page at all. They may just Google Revan and found out "Revan - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki" and click: thus no chance to be warned by the frontpage spoiler tag. Darth Kevinmhk 15:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- i supose so, but i still think its undeserving of a tag. The game has been out a long time now, im not saying theres not gonna be new ppl playing it but its not a fresh product, theres even a sequal so my vote stands. Jedi Dude 15:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- What if people haven't seen The Empire Strikes Back? Should there be spoilers on Luke and Vader's pages? What if they've not read Betrayal? Put the spoiler back on Jacen's page? What if they've not read The Thrawn Trilogy? Put a spoiler on Thrawn's page? What if they've not read the later issues of Republic? Put a spoiler on Quinlan VOs' and Khaleen Hentz's pages? You get where I'm going with this?—Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- I made it pretty clear in my post that I only want spoilers used at articles which truly has spoilers. Vader being Luke Skywalker's father is general knowledge. Quinlan Vos is a minor character. No-one cares what happens to him. Revan is set as a "dead Sith Lord" in KotOR, so the player has the right to assume that reading about him is relatively safe, because he is of the past. I haven't said it in a SINGLE sentence that minor spoilers should be indicated (i.e. Quinlan Vos going here and there, doing this and that) The player character being Revan is the major plot-twist in the entire game, around which the game is centered. - TopAce 16:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- So you get to define what's a spoiler and what isn't? I think that Vos being alive is a huge spoiler, and he's much a major character as Revan is...he's been in much more media than Revan ever will. What about if people haven't read the X-wing book after the one that Corran Horn apparantly dies in? They'll find it a huge shock that he's still alive and has become a Jedi....although Vader being Luke's father is general knowledge, when I was in the cinema seeing Revenge of the Sith, there were still people who gasped and were shocked when Luke and Leia were named...they obviously didn't know that they were Vader's children, or that they were related. So why should you get to define what's a spoiler and others shouldn't?—Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, I could say anything from this point, being already defeated in the votes. People will inevitably start hating Wookieepedia and leave it forever for reading spoilers they did not want to. The article on Revan is a towering example on where we should use spoilers. As for your experience while watching EPIII: Who do not know Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader and Luke and Leia are his siblings won't bother reading a Star Wars wiki. - TopAce 16:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps articles that have a plot-twist should be given a little image at the top of the page with the featured article and eras. It's not distracting but it'll catch the readers view. -RedemptionTalk 17:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- i hope that there aren't people that would stop using wookie as a resource just becos of a revan article. I really just think theres been to much a time lapse now, its no where near a new product and his story is quite well known now, if people don't like it then its really their own problem. You don'd find encylcopeida's that say Spoiler in it do you? Jedi Dude 17:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps articles that have a plot-twist should be given a little image at the top of the page with the featured article and eras. It's not distracting but it'll catch the readers view. -RedemptionTalk
- Ok, I could say anything from this point, being already defeated in the votes. People will inevitably start hating Wookieepedia and leave it forever for reading spoilers they did not want to. The article on Revan is a towering example on where we should use spoilers. As for your experience while watching EPIII: Who do not know Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader and Luke and Leia are his siblings won't bother reading a Star Wars wiki. - TopAce 16:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- So you get to define what's a spoiler and what isn't? I think that Vos being alive is a huge spoiler, and he's much a major character as Revan is...he's been in much more media than Revan ever will. What about if people haven't read the X-wing book after the one that Corran Horn apparantly dies in? They'll find it a huge shock that he's still alive and has become a Jedi....although Vader being Luke's father is general knowledge, when I was in the cinema seeing Revenge of the Sith, there were still people who gasped and were shocked when Luke and Leia were named...they obviously didn't know that they were Vader's children, or that they were related. So why should you get to define what's a spoiler and others shouldn't?—Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- I made it pretty clear in my post that I only want spoilers used at articles which truly has spoilers. Vader being Luke Skywalker's father is general knowledge. Quinlan Vos is a minor character. No-one cares what happens to him. Revan is set as a "dead Sith Lord" in KotOR, so the player has the right to assume that reading about him is relatively safe, because he is of the past. I haven't said it in a SINGLE sentence that minor spoilers should be indicated (i.e. Quinlan Vos going here and there, doing this and that) The player character being Revan is the major plot-twist in the entire game, around which the game is centered. - TopAce 16:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- What if people haven't seen The Empire Strikes Back? Should there be spoilers on Luke and Vader's pages? What if they've not read Betrayal? Put the spoiler back on Jacen's page? What if they've not read The Thrawn Trilogy? Put a spoiler on Thrawn's page? What if they've not read the later issues of Republic? Put a spoiler on Quinlan VOs' and Khaleen Hentz's pages? You get where I'm going with this?—Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- i supose so, but i still think its undeserving of a tag. The game has been out a long time now, im not saying theres not gonna be new ppl playing it but its not a fresh product, theres even a sequal so my vote stands. Jedi Dude 15:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- On the other hand, they maynot reach the front page at all. They may just Google Revan and found out "Revan - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki" and click: thus no chance to be warned by the frontpage spoiler tag. Darth Kevinmhk 15:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- What do you think how many actually read everything from the front page before starting to browse? We do need a spoiler warning tag. - TopAce 14:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- agreed, if people don't pay heed to warnings giving then its their own falt, Wookie is not a spolier free zone, its eays to see that so people should be prepared to see spoilers. Wasn't it agreed Majorspoiler was for around a month? I mean it was for betrayel..Jedi Dude 13:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. If the general spoiler warning on the main page is not enough, then every article should have some kind of warning. - Finlayson 19:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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