Forum:CT:Refining WP:CON

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The result of the debate was Support proposal. Imperators II(Talk) 07:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi all, this is a vote concerning the changes outlined within Forum:SH:Continuing discussion on rooting out potential admin abuse (WP:CON). The changes can be found here and include:

  • The linking of Wookieepedia:Don't disrupt Wookieepedia to prove a point.
  • Removal of "plurality votes" that can only be undertaken with an administrator's approval (which do not have to abide by consensus ratios). Haven't ever seen one of these in the many years I've been here, and the linked example is ages old. If something needs to have an amendment, current precedent is to send it to the Consensus track the same anything else and battle it out!
  • Per the spirit of Forum:CT:Voting end dates, reflecting that "fourteen days" and "two weeks" must be a full 336 hours, and adding the specific hours amount for the snowball & Holdo maneuver clauses to ensure the forums are open for the full amount of time (5/7 days respectively).
  • Removal of "If, after two weeks, a user is continually "bumping" a live forum that has not achieved consensus and has no ongoing germane discussion, the forum may be closed to prevent an endless filibuster." —recent precedent is for the forum to be simply closed as no consensus and the issue is relegated back to the Senate Hall.
  • Consensus is the will of the community, and by consensus rules, is usually pass, fail, or no consensus. This is defined by a handy chart in the admins' how-to guide, which I've added a link to.
    • With the recent cleanup of WP:AA, I firmly don't believe closing consensus forums can really have any form of "administrative discretion". Additionally, the majority of admins do vote on hot-topic issues, so I've removed that they should avoid closing those forums. If the voting forum has been been open the proper amount of time, the admin has to close it in line with policy, even if they voted against the winning side of the initiative.
    • I've added that the closing administrator is responsible for updating the policy and consensus updates page.
    • I've removed that it's a bureaucrat's responsibility and judgement that could solely make a determination on whether something reached consensus or not. Either our community has voted something through, or we haven't.

This CT does not cover:

  • Currently ongoing SH about overturning clause
  • Vote ratios (can be brought up in a separate SH)
  • WOTM changes (same as above, said in the SH could be brought up seprately)

These changes essentially are focused on style and cleanup for admin-abuse related things, and hopefully we can pass through the other changes to a vote after more discussion has been had on them. Some are not universally agreed upon, so lumping them alongside these changes didn't make sense. Cheers!—spookywillowwtalk 21:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Support

  1. As proposer.—spookywillowwtalk 21:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. NBDani TeamFireballLogo-Collider(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 21:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  3. ℳÅℕ☉❂Ⅎ (he/him/his) RainbowRebellion2 21:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  4. Great job as ever! Lewisr (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  5. Nice work! Supreme Emperor Holocomm 21:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  6. Dropbearemma LesbianRebellion (she/her) 21:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  7. nicely done spook! BloodOfIriziSabine Starbird(Syndicure) 22:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  8. Rsand 30 (talk) 00:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  9. Fan26 (Talk) 00:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  10. —SnowedLightning (they/them) 00:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  11. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 01:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  12. All makes sense VergenceScatter (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  13. Imperators II(Talk) 06:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  14. 01miki10 Open comlink 08:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  15. Samonic Signatureicon (Talk) 10:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  16. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 10:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  17. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno (Talk) 14:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  18. Rakhsh (talk) 14:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  19. Awesome OOM 224 (he/him) 13:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
  20. Editoronthewiki (talk) 03:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
  21. Master FredceriqueCommerce Guild(talk) (he/him) 05:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
  22. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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