Forum:CT:Move Vitiate to Tenebrae

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The result of the debate was No consensus, insufficient voter participation. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:34, March 5, 2020 (UTC)

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As of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Onslaught, this character has been mainly referred to by the name Tenebrae, the transition from Valkorion to Tenebrae beginning in Knights of the Eternal Throne when Dramath revealed this as his birth name. My arguments for renaming the page "Tenebrae" are the following:

1. The above.
2. Lord Vitiate was the title he was granted by Marka Ragnos when he joined the Sith. He abandoned this title when he simply became the Sith Emperor. Use of the name Vitiate returned when he was disowned by the Sith Empire for lack of a better name other than "our former emperor", but he did not use this name himself. At this point he called himself Valkorion, the name of the Zakuulan warrior whose body he possessed. The page cannot be named Valkorion as it is already the name of the linked page.
3. He was not considered Sith by himself nor by other Sith in the end, and as I said, Vitiate was his Sith name.
4. These are quotes in Eternal Throne and Onslaught in which this character is called Tenebrae.

Thanks for reading. --Potsk (talk) 13:54, February 20, 2020 (UTC)

Voting

Option 1 (move page to Tenebrae)

Option 2 (keep page as Vitiate)

Discussion and alternative options

• Our Naming policy states the following:

  "Whenever alternate names are used in canon, use the name under which the subject was known during the later time period [...] or, for characters, at the moment of the character's death [...]." and

  "Whenever two or more names are used by a character simultaneously (adopted names included), use the most commonly known of those names [...]. Exceptions may apply to characters who prominently identify as a certain name despite their public persona."

  Does or does not this apply to "Tenebrae"? Imperators II^(Talk) 09:45, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

  I believe this may apply here. As Potsk explained, Vitiate was his Sith name. Born Tenebrae, he was renamed Vitiate. Then he spent a thousand years ruling the Sith Empire and was known only as the "Sith Emperor". When he betrayed the Empire, everyone started calling him Vitiate to reflect his non-leadership position in relation to the Imperials. After his definitive destruction (he might return in some form), people started calling him by original name: Tenebrae, which was previously unknown. Honestly, I'm still undecided on my vote but Potsk makes a fair case. Winterz (talk) 19:58, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

  "After his definitive destruction (he might return in some form)" — per the Naming policy excerpts above, this is a game-changer, though. If at the time of his death he was called Vitiate and only later was referred to as Tenebrae, then the page should remain at Vitiate. Imperators II^(Talk) 21:35, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

  At the time of his death he was definitely not called Vitiate. I remember only one mention in Fallen Empire and Eternal Throne, from Dramath, when he was listing all his identities. --Potsk (talk) 02:27, February 22, 2020 (UTC)