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The result of the debate was Keep the articles; do not merge. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:43, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

It should be noted that Decipher has made mistakes with certain character cards. In the cards for Lathe and Gamall Wironicc, their images are instead of Nysad and Umpass-stay, respectively. Yotts Orren also had the same situation, his card being a photo of Klaatu. However, in July, Leland Chee solved the problem with Yotts Orren, as can be seen here, retconning him into the green Nikto on the second skiff. He also said he was planning to retcon Lathe into the as-of-yet Unidentified Kajain'sa'Nikto (vintage Kenner Nikto), and considered making Gamall Wironicc a Klatooinian from Phantom Menace. Until the one or hopefully both retcons come into effect, if it happens that is, should we merge Lathe and Gamall Wironicc into Nysad and Umpass-stay, and consider them the same characters? —Unsigned comment by Hanzo Hasashi (talk • contribs)

Merge the articles, at least until/if they are retconned

  1. Look identical, same outfit, used a photo of the other character? Certainly just the same character period IMO. As for the Lathe/Gamall Wironicc backstories, maybe incorporate them into the behind the scenes section, or even try to incorporate them into the bios, seeing as there aren't any real contradictions? Hanzo Hasashi 23:30, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
  2. If they are definitely retconned like is mentioned, then it should be merged. We can figure out some way to merge both stories together when/if the time comes.--Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 01:56, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Keep the articles, and somehow treat the characters as different

  1. If the cards treat them as separate characters, so should we. The fact that both use the same picture does not have anything to do with it. A picture of Boba Fett is used to portray Jodo Kast in Tatooine Manhunt, but that doesn't mean that Kast is the same character as Fett. Most Star Wars video games also use just a few models to portray many characters. Does that mean that Jergan, Gelrood, and Ergeron are, in fact, the same person? Of course, no. These are just the first couple of examples that spring to mind. I'm certain there are many other cases where a single image was used to portray multiple characters. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 18:26, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • The problem is there is only one Nikto and Klatooinian who are dressed in those clothes in RotJ, and with Gamall, also in RotJ there is no Klatooinian who is still unnamed. In addition, Lathe's photo is that of Nysad in Jabba's Palace, and Leland Chee has confirmed that it is Nysad in that scene as well as on the Khetanna. The problem is that Decipher has made that mistake on a few occasions. These two are the only issues that have not been solved. Hanzo Hasashi 19:47, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Leave them be for now, per QGJ. The fact that the films themselves don't feature these characters is not a problem, since there could always be random background characters who were just off camera or who slept through the Battle of Karkoon. After all, Decipher has also given us other not-on-screen characters, like the [[Unidentified Lamproid (Jabba's court)]] and a Makurth. ~SavageBOB sig 11:07, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Per QuiGonJinn and SavageBob.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 12:00, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Agreed. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 17:12, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Per QGJ. There are more than a couple instances where images of characters or starships from the movies are replicated to be different entities by other source materials. That doesn't mean they're automatically the same thing. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:31, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Keep the articles. Move the pics to the BTS sections, with explanations, and mention the proposed identifications Leland Chee has made there as well. If and when we get confirmation that those identifications have been made canon, merge accordingly. jSarek 04:22, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Everyone else has said it better than I can. CC7567 (talk) 04:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Per above. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 04:41, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
  9. 1358 (Talk) 15:35, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Per above. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 18:49 UTC
  11. Per above. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 15:55, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Per the explanations presented before my vote, you know, above. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 12:59, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

  • If the consensus agrees with me, considering Lathe and Gamall Wironicc's info canon to the other characters can be tricky, but here are my thoughts: Lathe's card info is that he was one of Jabba's vile Nikto henchmen, and was leaving Tatooine to see what the galaxy had to offer, and hated the slave trade deep down. All these would seem to be in conflict with Nysad being fiercely loyal to Jabba, but maybe they could both somehow be worked out as canon? Perhaps he was fiercely loyal to Jabba, but then had a change of heart, though Nysad's card does show him during the Battle of Carkoon, which would suggest he was still fiercely loyal in the seconds before his death. Gamall's info is that he was a strange wanderer, could be worked in with his slavery. And he was rumored to have sacrificed himself in battle so that his comrades could live, which might be thought of as a huge contrast to Umpass-stay's story, unless we make note that that info was rumored, so it therefore could have been completely untrue as far as rumors go. Surviving and being stranded on Tatooine is even more tricky in working in with Umpass-stay's servitude to Jabba, perhaps just another part of the rumors surrounding Gamall? Missing what he would never be could easily be worked into Umpass-stay's info, as it doesn't necessarily relate to that heroic sacrifice backstory. Hanzo Hasashi 23:30, October 19, 2011 (UTC)