Forum:CT:MOS and LG updates

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The result of the debate was Vote 1: New provisions added to Layout Guide's Eras tag section
Vote 2: Add the following to Layout Guide's "Appearances" section: "Articles on topics within a specific continuity should only list appearances that are fall under that specific continuity. For example, the Canon version of the Jedi Order article should not list issues of Star Wars: Republic or the video game Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the Legends version of the Anakin Skywalker article should not list Tarkin or Lords of the Sith."
Vote 3: Add the following to Layout Guide's "Sources" section: "For Canon articles, Encyclopedia entries, which are subject to modification at any time, should be listed at the end of the Sources section. For Legends articles, Encyclopedia entries and other applicable StarWars.com content subject to modification should be listed as if their publication date was April 25, 2014 (the day the Expanded Universe continuity was discontinued)."
Vote 4: Add the following to Manual of Style's "List for 'Appearances' section": "Star Wars material that is considered part of both the Legends continuity and the new Star Wars canon should divide its use of the {{App}} template. Each subsection of the template should use the two alternate parameters—"c-characters" and "l-characters" for the Characters field—to list the canon and Legends appearances."
Vote 5: Add the following to Manual of Style's "Linking" section: "Articles within a specific continuity should only link to other articles within that continuity, with the only exception being the article's "Behind the scenes" section. For example, the canon Yoda article should not link to the Legends continuity's article on Yoda's species.". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:56, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

With the division of articles by continuity, there are some changes that need to be made to our Layout Guide and Manual of Style.

Eras changes

So, with the new functionality from the first two votes, some changes need to be made to the Layout Guide.

The following bullet points will be added to Layout Guide's section on the Eras tag:

Example:
{{Eras|imp|reb|new|njo|leg|ffa|canon=Moraband|title=''Korriban''}}
  • This tag inserts symbols in the title bar of the article to indicate in which era the subject of the article exists. This template will also display tabs linking to the article on the alternate continuity version of the subject.
  • Symbols may also indicate if the article was a featured article in the past.
  • The publishing era parameters are only included in "non-timeless" articles from the Legends continuity, such as characters, ships, etc., and are for known appearances only, not presumed eras of appearance.
  • The template will automatically detect whether the article exists in both continuities and also in which continuity the article belongs. It will then display the correct "Canon" or "Legends" banner and display the continuity tabs.
  • For a real-world article on media in the canon continuity, the article should use "real" as a parameter and "type=canon," and the article should include the appropriate subcategory of Category:Canon media, such as Category:Canon standalone novels.
  • In the case of a subject that exists within both continuities but under different names, the parameters "legends" and "canon" must be defined in the Eras template with the name of the article in the other continuity.
  • The "title" parameter can be used to format the article title and should be used in place of the magic word {{PAGETITLE:New title}} when the tabs are used in an article.
    • This line will be added/left out depending on the outcome of the other vote.
  • For further usage instructions, see Template:Eras.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:08, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:35, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:44, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  4. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:54, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Good stuff. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 03:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Commander Code-8 Felicitations malefactors! 06:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:19, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    05:28 UTC ThuMay 29, 2014
  10. looks good Manoof (talk) 09:48, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
  11. CC7567 (talk) 21:12, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
  12. Coruscantfan (Talk) 15:39, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
  13. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 09:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Appearance lists for articles

The following will be added to the Layout Guide's "Appearances" section:

Articles on topics within a specific continuity should only list appearances that are fall under that specific continuity. For example, the Canon version of the Jedi Order article should not list issues of Star Wars: Republic or the video game Star Wars: The Old Republic and the Legends version of the Anakin Skywalker article should not list Tarkin or Lords of the Sith.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:08, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  2. I'm fine with whatever examples we want to use here. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:36, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:44, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  4. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:57, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Definitely. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 03:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Commander Code-8 Felicitations malefactors! 06:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    05:29 UTC ThuMay 29, 2014
  10. 501st dogma(talk) 16:27, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Manoof (talk) 09:49, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
    I agree, but this leads to the question: should Clone Wars content appear in the Legends timeline? Or for that matter, should movie content? DarthFener 18:17, May 30, 2014 (UTC) (Vote struck, reason: Per policy: See fourth bullet point under "Additional provisions" -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:23, May 30, 2014 (UTC))
  12. CC7567 (talk)
  13. Coruscantfan (Talk) 15:39, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
  14. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 09:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

For the sake of avoiding confusion, I'd suggest you make two changes to the otherwise good wording of this proposal (which I'd vote for if I could). Instead of using Star Wars: Clone Wars as an example, I'd choose something else so as to prevent people from thinking it's referring to Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Regarding the Legends part, I wouldn't reference Star Wars Rebels, if only because it's speculation that Anakin/Vader will be appearing there. If you want a second example for that point, you could use Tarkin (novel), since that's the only other known new canon story he will be appearing in. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Sources lists for articles

Likewise, the following will be added to the Layout Guide's "Sources" section:

For Canon articles, Encyclopedia entries, which are subject to modification at any time, should be listed at the end of the Sources section. For Legends articles, Encyclopedia entries and other applicable StarWars.com content subject to modification should be listed as if their publication date was April 25, 2014 (the day the Expanded Universe continuity was discontinued).

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:08, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:43, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  3. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:54, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Commander Code-8 Felicitations malefactors! 06:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:21, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  6. This two-universe thing is really starting to annoy me. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 18:55, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Per CP.
    Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    05:30 UTC ThuMay 29, 2014
  8. Manoof (talk) 09:52, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
  9. CC7567 (talk) 21:12, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Coruscantfan (Talk) 15:40, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
  11. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 09:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

  1. What about the Author's Cut and other Blog articles, for instance? Those are confirmed as Legends but are still coming out. So why have the cutoff for the sources list? Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 03:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
    • This doesn't apply to those at all. It expressly says content subject to modification; i.e, Encyclopedia entries, advertisements, the movie pages. The Author's Cut and Blog articles will be treated as they always have been. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 03:19, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
    • Also, anything added to the new continuity from this point forward, and that includes potential Encyclopedia updates, doesn't count toward the EU. That's the idea here. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:24, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Usage of the App template in cross-continuity OOU articles

The following will be revised in the Manual of Style's "List for "Appearances"" section:

Use {{App}} for the list of characters, creatures, etc. under the "Appearances" heading. If an official "Dramatis Personae" is provided, substitute |dramatis personae= and |other characters= for the current |characters= parameter. For additional subsections such as "Languages", use '''bold-formatted headers''' under |miscellanea=. Star Wars material that is considered part of both the Legends continuity and the new Star Wars canon should divide its use of the {{App}} template. Each subsection of the template should use the two alternate parameters—"c-characters" and "l-characters" for the Characters field—to list the canon and Legends appearances. See the usage notes on Template:App for more information.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:08, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:36, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:43, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 03:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Commander Code-8 Felicitations malefactors! 06:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Although there seems to be a bug in the template, as evidenced by the example at the bottom of the template page. I'm good with template coding, but I know better than to try to understand that beast at 1:30 in the morning. :P
    Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    05:33 UTC ThuMay 29, 2014
    • I see what you mean, but purging seemed to have fixed the issue. There was a problem with some extra if statement coding that got move around when I reworked the conditions for showing the links to the sections. The example template should be showing a grey non-link, as there's nothing in the species field for that example. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 12:09, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Manoof (talk) 09:54, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
  9. CC7567 (talk) 21:12, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Coruscantfan (Talk) 15:40, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
  11. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 09:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Linking

The Manual of Style's section on linking will be revised to the following:

A subject should be linked once upon its first appearance in the article's infobox, once upon its first mention in the article's intro, and once upon its first mention in the article's main body. Articles within a specific continuity should only link to other articles within that continuity, with the only exception being the article's "Behind the scenes" section. For example, the canon Yoda article should not link to the Legends continuity's article on Yoda's species.

Support

  1. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:08, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:36, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Supreme Emperor (talk) 01:43, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  4. —Silly Dan (talk) 02:54, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Absolutely. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 03:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 03:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Commander Code-8 Felicitations malefactors! 06:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Master JonathanCouncil Chambers
    05:33 UTC ThuMay 29, 2014
  10. 501st dogma(talk) 16:28, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Manoof (talk) 09:56, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
  12. CC7567 (talk) 21:12, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
  13. Coruscantfan (Talk) 15:41, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

But only because I think Legends links are OK in the BTS. In the main IU body of an article, keep them out. —Silly Dan (talk) 01:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

  • Ah, good point. Fixed. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 01:29, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion