Forum:CT:List of fan sites and policy

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The result of the debate was Delete page and remove its mention from policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:01, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

This is a result of the former List of fan sites TC. Thanks to Esjs for notifying me of its mention in policy.

Now, the Notability of fan projects policy currently states in its very last sentence that projects can be listed on this page. However, Wookieepedia is not a place for a random list of (mostly inactive) fan projects. We are an encyclopedia. The mainspace is no place for this article. I propose two options to remedy this:

  • Keep this list and move it to a "Wookieepedia" namespace page, changing the link in the policy,
  • Or we delete the page completely and remove the mention in the policy.

PS: All votes and discussion have been moved over from the TC. Previous participants will be notified. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 17:11, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Move to Wookieepedia namespace

Delete completely

  1. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 06:00, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 06:02, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Looked through it cleaning out dead websites, completely useless...--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 06:08, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Stake black msg 16:47, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Death to lists! <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 16:48, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
  6. For the same reasons I voted to delete five years ago, I guess. —Silly Dan (talk) 07:15, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
  7. While this info could be useful, its not if the links are dead. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 13:44, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:19, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Winterz (talk) 17:43, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:52, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Toprawa and Vladimir Putin and the voices in my head all told me this is the best option. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 00:18, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
  12. Trip391 (talk) 05:54, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
  13. So any random person can create a fansite for any random thing about SW and can get their site listed on Wookieepedia? ?? ??? ???? o_O—Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 20:47, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Keep as is

  1. I appear to be a little late to this discussion (I blame Darth Real Life for that), but I firmly believe that the existence of this page helps deter users from creating junk articles on non-notable fan sites by giving them an outlet to list their site. If somebody comes here to post their website, they will usually find this page quickly (especially since fan sites, which is probably a common search query, redirects to it), and then they simply post the link there and disappear. Conversely, if we get rid of this page, people looking to post their website will likely end up creating a new article, which creates work for us, who have to tag it with {{Notability}}, wait seven days, and then delete it, and then in some cases deal with an angry user that doesn't understand why it got deleted and sometimes end up blocking them, which is never good. So compared to the alternative, keeping the list is a win-win situation; they win by having their link on a highly visible website (I might add that this list is the #1 Google hit for "star wars fan sites"), and we win by being able to ignore them and not deal with crap. As for moving it into projectspace, since we have encyclopedia articles on some notable sites, a list collecting other fan sites is a natural extension of those articles and thus a natural part of the encyclopedia; therefore it belongs in the mainspace. TL;DR: Keeping the page is a net benefit to Wookieepedia by giving people an outlet to post links in a policy-approved way. —MJ— Council Chambers 06:19, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Per MJ, though we should determine what is active and remove those that are dead. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:29, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
  3. As above. Remove the waste and keep the list. Manoof (talk) 04:15, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

  • I'd like to point out (as the previous TC did) that the page is currently referenced by policy. A consensus to delete here affects that policy by producing a redlink. Shouldn't the delete option also spell out that the reference in the policy will be removed? Or is that a separate CT? - Esjs(Talk) 17:05, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • Not sure. Obviously, if the community votes to delete this page, they vote to change that sentence of the policy. However, if such information were to be moved to a separate, non-mainspace page, then that would definitely require a CT. Thoughts? MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 06:05, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
    • This is a valid concern, as we're going to have a certain contradiction in policy now if this page is deleted. The better approach would have been to start a CT first to remove that clause from WP:NFP and then start a TC to delete this page as a follow-up measure. We're going about this backwards. In the interest of keeping all of this perfectly above board, I don't think it's appropriate to treat this TC forum as tantamount to a CT decision and potentially just strike that clause from WP:NFP based on this forum's outcome. I would suggest moving this TC page to a proper CT forum and creating an overarching vote that clearly states we're voting to both remove this from WP:NFP and delete the page, because we really can't do the latter without the former. This can be an unorthodox TC-in-a-CT forum. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 13:55, February 7, 2014 (UTC)