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The result of the debate was to Update canon policy as proposed, Amend Layout Guide with Addendum I, Amend Layout Guide with Addendum II, Amend Layout Guide with Sources Addendum III, and Amend Layout Guide with External links addendum. 1358 (Talk) 14:12, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

As I'm sure everyone is slowly becoming aware, the official Star Wars site went through a complete overhaul as of September 13, 2011. With the revamp, most of our links to StarWars.com (in fact, all of them, save for www.starwars.com itself) are now defunct and inaccessible. The majority of the original articles published prior to the revamp have been removed (save for articles like the TCW Episode Guides and various News articles), replaced in the new layout or either gone altogether. While this move is both interesting and disappointing, it's still our job to reflect the changes properly.

One of the major changes has been the complete removal of the original Databank, which has been succeeded by the new Encyclopedia. Modifications were recently made to the {{DB}} and {{Hyperspace}} citation templates to reflect the inaccessibility of all Databank and Hyperspace links. {{SWE}} has been created for citing the new Encyclopedia. Currently, {{SW}} is being transitioned to {{SWArchive}} so that the old and new links can be separated with separate templates—SWArchive for the pre-revamp links, and SW now for the new ones. The technical/formatting implementation of the templates will be handled outside of the Consensus Track.

There are several parts to this CT, all listed below, so please read carefully. Even though the overhaul may not have been the best choice (I'm rather wary of the links to Wookieepedia on every single Encyclopedia entry), it's our duty to implement it. Please do not add additional options to any of the separate votes, or any additional votes, without first putting them up for discussion. Thank you. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

  • As a side note, {{SW}} is now ready for use. CC7567 (talk) 04:35, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Updating the canon policy

This vote is for updating the canon policy to consider the Encyclopedia a valid, canon resource. Rather trivial, since the Encyclopedia is published on the official site, but doing so will avoid any potential confusion—and WP:CANON was meant to be updated to reflect new additions anyway.

Proposal: update the second bullet point ("All Databank entries…") to read:

  • All Databank entries, Encyclopedia entries, and source material on StarWars.com, as well as any other articles on the official site that provide unique canonical information

Update canon policy as proposed

  1. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 22:59, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:15 UTC
  4. Definitely. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 00:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Sure.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:09, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 03:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. I don't see why not, even though they got a number of vehicle dimensions wrong, because they failed to check the article that they happily linked to. Trak Nar Ramble on 04:41, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  9. —Tommy 9281 Thursday, September 15, 2011, 06:37 UTC
  10. Eyrezer 09:44, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Tinwe(comlink) 12:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Seems common sense, but I agree with jSarek's sentiment below. ~SavageBOB sig 13:28, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  13. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:26, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 12:11, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  16. 1358 (Talk) 14:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Riffsyphon1024 04:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
  18. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:42, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Do not update canon policy as proposed

Discussion

  • Is there any reason we have these distinctions? Why not just have "All content on StarWars.com that provides unique canonical information"? jSarek 05:40, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
    • Probably because the Databank and Encyclopedia are the only official online databases, so they deserved some mention in policy. CC7567 (talk) 05:46, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
      • So… just to clarify; are archived Databank entries still considered valid and usable unless their content is overwritten by a new source? TK999 16:27, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
        • Yes, archived Databank entries should still be considered official. CC7567 (talk) 04:52, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sources Addendum I to the Layout Guide

This vote is for modifying the Layout Guide for the implementation of {{SWE}}. The second bullet point under the LG's Sources section will be changed to implement {{SWE}}. Here's what the rule currently states:

  • For Databank entries, use the {{DB}} template. Links to the Databank should be under the name of the article being linked to, not the article's name here. For example, the proper citation for the OG-9 homing spider droid is: {{DB|droid|homingspiderdroid|homing spider droid|archivedate=20110807050110}}

Here's what it will be modified to. Some grammar adjustments were made for clarity:

  • For Databank and Encyclopedia entries, use the {{DB}} or {{SWE}} template. Links to the Databank and Encyclopedia should be under the name of the official article being linked to, not the article's corresponding name here. For example, the proper citation for the OG-9 homing spider droid is: {{DB|droid|homingspiderdroid|homing spider droid|archivedate=20110807050110}}

Amend Layout Guide with Addendum I

  1. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:00, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:16 UTC
  4. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 00:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:10, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 03:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Makes sense. Trak Nar Ramble on 04:42, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  9. We should also update the example to a relevant Enyclopedia entry, since that's what new users are going to be familiar with from now on. jSarek 05:40, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  10. —Tommy 9281 Thursday, September 15, 2011, 06:37 UTC
  11. Eyrezer 09:45, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Tinwe(comlink) 12:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  13. ~SavageBOB sig 13:29, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  14. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:26, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 12:11, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  17. 1358 (Talk) 14:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Riffsyphon1024 04:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
  19. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:43, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Do not amend Layout Guide with Addendum I

Discussion

Sources Addendum II to the Layout Guide

This vote deals with the placement of Encyclopedia entries within the Sources section. I was surprised to find that it has not been set in stone in official policy that Databank entries should be listed at the end of Sources sections, so this vote will also solidify that clause, as it is official in all but policy. The following bullet point will be added in the Layout Guide's Sources section, under the rule that reads, "Should be sorted by date of publication," so that the final page will look like this:

Amend Layout Guide with Addendum II

  1. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:02, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:32 UTC
  4. Sounds good. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 00:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:12, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 03:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. I begrudgingly agree for the sake of simplicity and links that work. Or whatever. I need to get some antacids... Trak Nar Ramble on 04:44, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  9. jSarek 05:40, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  10. —Tommy 9281 Thursday, September 15, 2011, 06:37 UTC
  11. Tinwe(comlink) 12:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  12. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:26, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 12:11, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  15. 1358 (Talk) 14:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Riffsyphon1024 04:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
  17. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 13:44, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Do not amend Layout Guide with Addendum II

Oppose as written. It looks dumb to have "Clone Captain Rex" sorted in the "C"s for "Clone" and then have "Anakin Skywalker" sorted under "S" for his surname. Either sort all characters by name without titles or ranks (e.g. put Rex under "R"), or sort all by entry name without going by surnames (e.g. put Anakin under "A"), but don't mix the two. I'd prefer the latter for simplicity but will support either. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:20 UTC
  1. I've always disliked the fact that we do as above. My vote perhaps will make no difference given the vast support for the proposal so far, but I don't see the harm in listing DB and Enc entries at their point of publication and just leaving them there. I realize that updates pose a problem, but for the most part, I'd rather know when a particular canon source came out in relation to others, and putting all the DB/Enc stuff at the end prevents this. Also, Eyrezer is right that even by the proposal above, perhaps DB entries should now be listed as September 2011. ~SavageBOB sig 13:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Per Eye and Bob. The DB and Enc are pretty much mutually exclusive, so there's no reason to automatically lump them together and continue the old policy for the DB entries if the rationale behind that decision is no longer valid for them. I say we list the DB as September 2011 and the Enc at the bottom. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 00:00, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

  • I thought I would point out that the Databank entries are no longer liable to be changed at any time. They no longer exist. Therefore an alternative option could be to order them as September 2011. --Eyrezer 09:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sources Addendum III to the Layout Guide

This vote is for making the implementation of {{SWArchive}} and {{SW}} official policy. The following rule will be added to the end of the Layout Guide's Sources section. ({{SW}} will be created once {{SWArchive}} is changed site-wide.)

  • {{SWArchive}} should be used for all StarWars.com articles published prior to the September 2011 revamp. For pages either transferred to the official site's new layout or published after the revamp, {{SW}} should be used.

Amend Layout Guide with Sources Addendum III

  1. I'm aware that the Layout Guide doesn't list every single citation template out there for official use, but in this case, the distinction needs to be made between {{SW}} and {{SWArchive}}. Being more specific here shouldn't hurt. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:03, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:21 UTC
  4. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 00:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:13, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 03:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Again, it makes sense. May as well attempt to keep up with their finicky changing-every-few-years tastes... Trak Nar Ramble on 04:45, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  9. jSarek 05:40, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  10. —Tommy 9281 Thursday, September 15, 2011, 06:37 UTC
  11. Eyrezer 09:47, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Tinwe(comlink) 12:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  13. ~SavageBOB sig 13:34, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  14. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:26, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 12:11, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  17. 1358 (Talk) 14:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Riffsyphon1024 04:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Do not amend Layout Guide with Sources Addendum III

Discussion

External links addendum to the Layout Guide

Basically, update the last bullet point of the External links section on the Layout Guide to read:

  • NO Databank or Encyclopedia entries here—the Databank and Encyclopedia are official sources and should be treated that way

Again, it's rather trivial, but it will leave no room for misinterpretation.

Amend Layout Guide with External links addendum

  1. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Very good job helping us get through this craziness (and setting this CT up), CC. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:05, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 23:22 UTC
  4. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 00:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Good work CC7567! Boy, this is really going to be a crazy year, an entire website of information gone. The Star Wars message boards were closed, now the old website is gone, the blogs will likely be shut down at the end of the year, Star Wars Galaxies is going away this December. Sigh...will this never end?--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 00:49, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  6. It's all building up for an Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse! :P Seriously, thank you CC for your help with all this. I like the official recognition that Wookieepedia is receiving, but I too fear for the confusion. But, I think it will all work out good in time. Cal JediInfinite Empire (Personal Comm Channel) 02:15, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Menkooroo 03:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Yeah, add it. Now, are you supplying the antacids for our ulcers? Or do you have something better? I hear Prilosec is good... Trak Nar Ramble on 04:46, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  9. jSarek 05:40, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  10. —Tommy 9281 Thursday, September 15, 2011, 06:37 UTC
  11. Eyrezer 09:48, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Tinwe(comlink) 12:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Nice work, CC. Wonder if those Wookieepedia shout-outs on the official site were to try to quell our grumblings at all these changes. :) ~SavageBOB sig 13:35, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  14. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:26, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 14:26, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  16. 1358 (Talk) 14:33, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Riffsyphon1024 04:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Do not amend Layout Guide with External links addendum

Discussion

Overall discussion

If there are any policies that are also affected by the official site's revamp and yet were missed as part of this CT, please bring them up here. CC7567 (talk) 22:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.