Forum:CT:Amendment to WP:NFP

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The result of the debate was Amend WP:NFP. Grunny (talk) 05:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I hereby propose we change the following line in Wookieepedia:Notability of fan projects:

Content: A fan project must be non-trivial (i.e. a completed fan film, a large-scale video game mod, etc.)

to

Content: A fan project must be non-trivial (i.e. completed and of substantial scale within its genre).

This closes the potential loophole where non-completed but ambitious fan projects could potentially retain articles. --Imperialles 18:19, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support

  1. Per myself above. --Imperialles 18:19, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Anything to make NFP more exclusive for pos articles that don't belong on this wiki anyway. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:21, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
  3. NAYAYEN:TALK 23:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
    • Okay with the tweak. NAYAYEN:TALK 10:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 00:39, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  5. As per WP:TROGDOR. Thefourdotelipsis 00:42, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
    • Ah hereby continue to support this here amendment after tweakage. Thefourdotelipsis 01:11, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Supporting after the tweak discussed below. —Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 01:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 01:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I like the idea of completion as prerequisite, in the context of fan works. Dangerdan97 22:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  10. CC7567 (talk) 23:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  11. This is better, but I also agree with Soresu's comment below. —Xwing328(Talk) 00:12, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
  12. -- 1358 (Talk) 13:07, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Sure. --DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 17:27, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 17:35, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Per Toprawa. Graestan(Talk) 01:12, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose

I like the intent, but not the proposed wording. Under this wording, small but officially recognized fan films, like Pitching Lucas, wouldn't get articles because fan projects must pass both a recognition requirement and this content requirement. There are a number of fan films that I feel are notable enough for a Wookieepedia article (specifically, many of the The Official Star Wars Fan Film Awards winners), but practically no fan film will ever qualify as "large-scale" unless it's on the scale of Spaceballs. I would be willing to support this proposal if it was tweaked to exempt fan films from the "large-scale" requirement. —Master Jonathan New Jedi Order (Jedi Council Chambers) 00:55, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's just an artifact of the previous wording, really. Would something along the lines of "completed and of substantial scale within its genre" work better for you? This way, we avoid adding a film-specific caveat while still protecting shorter films through a semi-vague wording. --Imperialles 01:02, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  1. The Sith Lords Restoration Project is probably worth a article, even though it isn't complete. The current wording isn't great, I admit, but I don't like the new one either. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 00:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Per above, it shouldn't need to be complete to be notable, as even incomplete work can achieve a lot of notability in fanbase and "mainstream"... what if incomplete NFP affects to canon, it still should be excluded based on its WIP status? --Tm T 21:36, July 2, 2010 (UTC)