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The result of the debate was to keep and allow all nickname pages as needed. Graestan(Talk) 03:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

After browsing around Nom Anor, I noticed that Yu'shaa had an article. I was originally going to merge this with Nom, but I noticed that including Yu'shaa, there were five articles that were aliases of Nom Anor. Five. That is a little ridiculous. They all should be merged with Nom, especially those tiny little nicknames of his that bear little to no significance.

Now, while I'm on this subject, there are also some articles in the Category for Aliases and Nicknames that should be merged to their respective parent articles. To name a few, The Negotiator should be merged with Obi-Wan Kenobi, Muehling with Mara Jade Skywalker, and the many aliases of the Millennium Falcon should be merged as such. Now I'm not saying we kill every single pseudonym. That would be unrealistic and unreasonable. However, there are too many worthless nickname articles where all of their info is already in its parent article. So what I'm proposing is a vote deciding the fate of the several small nicknames, as well as some of the larger ones. DC 04:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Vote

Delete Smaller Nicknames

Delete Nicknames in General

  1. As per my arguement. DC 04:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  2. Lysa Dunter redirects me back to Syal Antilles. All similiar articles should do the same. The only exception I can remember is Jenos Idanian, which has been used by two people and should stay the way it is. Mauser 15:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  3. Yes-- DarthBlurrr(I Am the Chosen One) 18:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep all Nicknames

  1. Keep 'em all. Though, as I stated in the earlier discussion, "they should be soft redirects, only providing the minimal information necessary to identify their users and the circumstances of their use." jSarek 05:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  2. Merging those five articles into Nom Anor would be completely unhelpful to the common user, especially given the article's current crappy condition. Per jSarek. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  3. Since we already decided to keep squadron callsigns, these are just as valuable. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 15:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. Per them ^. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 15:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. Greyman(Talk) 15:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 16:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  7. Per jSarek. Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing (Oya Manda!) 17:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  8. Per jSarek. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. Per jSarek entirely. Graestan(Talk) 23:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. Because I just saw that I hadn't voted yet. Per jSarek. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 14:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  11. Per jSarek. Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 15:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  12. They're useful, for the most part. Yu'shaa is a major part of Nom Anor's life, and deceptive characters like him and Mara Jade should be able to have all their aliases in articles. Chack Jadson (Talk) 15:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  13. Scenario: I have seen the term Muehling somewhere and I want to quickly know what/who it is. If the alias has its own article, I'll understand quickly. If it's a redirect, I may be confused, especially if I'm new to wikis and don't quite understand redirects. Gonk (Gonk!) 13:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  14. They have their uses. Pixelle(Talk!) 16:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  15. Unit 8311 12:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  16. Din's Fire 997 23:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  17. Hit nail on the head, JSarek did.—Tommy9281 Red lightsaber (Peace is a lie) 23:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  18. Ditto
  19. Aye. Thanos6 11:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  20. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 22:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  21. Keep! KEJ 12:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • I could've sworn User:Thefourdotelipsis made up a CT similar to, if not exactly like, this one, but I can't for the life of me find it anywhere. I'll keep looking for it. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 04:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • This is one of those CT's that I don't have a clear-cut desicion for. There are strong arguments on both sides. So I'll just stay outta this vote. Soresumakashi 08:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • If we keep them, maybe we should have a template for alias articles. Something that says something along the lines of "xxx is an alias for yyy. For more details, please see yyy's main article." and then keep the alias article very brief. Doluk 14:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Doluk's point is valid - something along the lines of our {{Youmay}} template. Depending on the outcome of this CT, I'd be willing to make the template. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 17:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm not particularly seeing the point - most alias articles shouldn't say much more than this template would. jSarek 21:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
        • Well, I figure that since we'd have some form of the {{nickname}} template (since the nickname one doesn't really apply), we ought to just make it a disclaimer, much like we use {{Youmay}}. For example, one of Nom Anor's aliases would essentially have {{alias|{{PAGENAME}}, one of [[Nom Anor]]'s aliases}}, where the containing text would be "This is the article for {{PAGENAME}}, one of Nom Anor's aliases." Overall, in my opinion, since there'd have to be a disclaimer template somewhere, we might as well make the most of it. (And I'm aware I got kind of redundant there.) JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 22:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I like Jorrel's suggestion of the "alias redirect" that says "this is so-and-so's alias. So if this counts as my vote, so be it.Master Ovnone 03:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I agree, good idea Jorrel. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 09:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
          • To be fair, it was Doluk's idea, not mine. I just flushed it out a bit more. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 14:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
            • I like your phrasing of what the template might say better than my own, Jorrel. It's more clear and to-the-point. Doluk 16:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I don't like any of these options, so I'm staying out. What we really should do, or rather, what I suggest, is that nicknames or aliases used by one person only would be redirected to the user's article. I understand that people would have a problem with this is the nickname is only used briefly, and so I'd suggest that the redirect be sent directly to the relevant part of the biography (it can be done, quite easily). Nicknames used by more than one person deserve an article, though. Thefourdotelipsis 02:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
    • A redirect going into the middle of an article could potentially be even more confusing than a normal redirect. It's an ease-of-use thing. What could be useful is a link to the relevant part of the biography, especially for our monster articles. Gonk (Gonk!) 13:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
            • In addition to whatever is finally decided on what to do on this topic, a list of known alias's/nicknames should be added to the target article, unless it has already been done and I just haven't noticed. Master Ovnone 18:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  • It seems very strange to me that some minor (even one-time) aliases have their own pages, while Darth Sidious, Darth Tyranus and Darth Vader are redirecting us to Palpatine, Dooku and Anakin Skywalker respectively. Some nicknames are already redirecting to the proper names too (Darth Sunshine, Lysa Dunter). If names of such importance as Darths do not have their pages, then minor aliases definitely should not too. Mauser 17:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I look at it the other way. When you're searching for a really important alias like Darth Vader, you're probably looking for the person, and will know you're in the right place when you're redirected to the alternate name. When you're looking up a relatively minor alias, you're probably looking for the context in which it was used, which is often too insignificant to be a part of a primary article. jSarek 23:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
      • For frequent users of aliases then, a separate section on their article might suffice. Or even one catalogue page of aliases, which would be nice, neat, and not an utter pain in the ass. Thefourdotelipsis 00:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
        • So you agree that having five different articles about Nom Anor's aliases is a bit over top? Mauser 01:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
          • Absolutely, if they are indeed just aliases. Something like that is just...irritating, simply put. Thefourdotelipsis 23:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
            • That's exactly what I was saying before, and Fourdot's idea defintely seems like a better idea than my own, which just said to merge and redirect. DC 05:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)