Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Naboo (species)

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Move to Naboo (people). WhiteBoy 08:59, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Naboo (species)

Naboo is no species. See the talk page for a discussion. - Sikon 15:59, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • Rename. No need to delete. – Aidje talk 16:07, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename to either Naboo (people), Naboo (humans), or something like that. (Comment: if the vote is to delete this article, we will also have to delete Bakuran and any similar articles.) -- Silly Dan 19:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename. It's a valid topic with an invalid title. Perhaps this is one place where a definite article is warranted - "The Naboo"? jSarek 00:47, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename to Naboo (humans). -- Riffsyphon1024 04:40, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename - Naboo (humans) or Naboo (people
  • Rename - Naboo (Human race), Corellian (Human race), etc. Azizlight 04:54, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • They can be hardly called races. Peoples, but not races. - Sikon 05:49, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • Race, as stated elsewhere, is an archaic concept unsupported by most modern sociologists. --SparqMan 06:46, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename or Move under Humans - Also make the same for other planet inhabitants (Corellians, Tattooinians, Tarisians...) Moff Rebus 05:44, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • There is a lot of content to move there. Also note that few humans have stayed on Tattooine and they don't identify as a group. Most have only been there a generation or two, from what we have seen. --SparqMan 06:46, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Humans of Corellia and humans of Naboo have at least 4,000 years of evolution on unique planets between them. Our own Homo floresiensis died out only 10,000-12,000 years ago. That's a whole species! Using our own understanding of terrestrial biology, humans in the Star Wars galaxy would be a genus and the "subspecies" would be species. Humans of Corellia may be "Homo Corellianus" while humans from Naboo may be "Homo Nabooius". I would prefer if we didn't assign incorrect labels to articles. --SparqMan 06:46, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • They're not different species. They DON'T have 4,000 years of evolution on unique planets between them because they're not isolated communities. Inhabitants of Corellia, Naboo, Coruscant and elsewhere were able to get on a ship and go to other planets easily. There was interbreeding between inhabitants of different world. Hence, not different species. QuentinGeorge 06:53, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
      • Some come and go, but most stay. Surely you don't suggest that the departure of some means the entire group is transient. Also, species within a genus can often interbreed. The concept of species is an artificial one, and behavioral isolation is equally important as genetic or phyiscal isolations. --SparqMan 07:41, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
      • To whit. Anakin, Padme, Mace Windu, Han Solo and the rest are all "Species: Human" in every canon source. Therefore, the idea that they are different species is demonstrably false. QuentinGeorge 06:59, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • Han is labeled as a Corellian on multiple occassions, Leia as Alderaanian, Padme as Naboo. --SparqMan 07:41, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
          • That's no different than labelling George Lucas an "American" and Ewan McGregor "British". That is a nationality, not a species. Is this really that difficult to understand? QuentinGeorge 12:06, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
          • Well either way, I'm not sure if I'd want to see "Homo Nabooius". -- Riffsyphon1024 08:00, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
            • Are Corellian, Alderaanian and Naboo listed as species in that source? And which source? The official databank says "Species: Human" for all three. - Sikon 08:06, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • I have already voted, but since renaming seems the best candidate, I suggest renaming into Naboo (people). Since there are also categories Tatooinian, Corellian, Alderaanian etc in the Wookieepedia, I suggest making articles about each, describing history and migrations. Look at Tolkien encyclopedias. Eomer is species: Adan and race: Rohirrim. If there are any 'special' (or is it 'speciesal'?) differences, like the age of Nabooians, a paragraph can always describe this matter, if any. Moff Rebus 09:13, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
      • Well it could be believed that Naboo age slower than others, explaining how Anakin caught up with Padme in age. Has this ever be alluded to? -- Riffsyphon1024 09:30, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • No. Padme is and always has been just under four years older than Anakin. Anakin didn't "catch up" to her in age. The gap is just as it always was, a bit over four years. QuentinGeorge 12:04, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
          • Well she didn't change a damn bit, did she? Just a weird situation. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 16:56, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • QuentinGeorge, you don't believe that it's the same as saying that a huskie and a chiguagua are both dogs? They ARE humans, I am not arguing that. But this rejection of simply biological phylogeny and realism is astounding. Divergent evolution will drive a unique wedge between two groups of humans, creating a new species within the genus. --SparqMan 16:32, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
      • Divergent evolution in isolated communities, and Naboo was in no way an isolated community. Also, a species can only be called so if it cannot interbreed with other species, and Padme, as we saw, was capable of having children from Anakin. - Sikon 16:41, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • An aside: That is incorrect, Sikon. While beings of the same species can interbreed, it is not uncommon for species of the same genus to be capable for interbreeding, such as wolves and dogs. There are also examples in the Star Wars galaxy of interbreeding between species. --SparqMan 03:15, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • Agreed -- despite 4000 years of separation, they were hardly isolated from the rest of the galaxy, and were apparently not significantly different biologically from other humans. I agree they're distinct enough to warrant an article, which is why I voted move, but the distinctions are cultural. -- Silly Dan 16:54, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • AS Sikon and I have said, they are NOT isolated communities. Living on Naboo versus Coruscant was no different to someone in our world living in a town outside the capital city. It is YOU who is rejecting realism. 4,000 years is not long enough for significant genetic drift to occur, particularly with a technologically advanced society who are not isolated. There ARE "new species of humans" in the Star Wars universe - that's what the so-called "Near-Humans" are - like Chiss, Zeltrons, Sith (species) and Mirialian. The Naboo are the same species as the humans of Coruscant, Corellia, Corulag, etc. The claim otherwise is to tout fanon on these pages. QuentinGeorge 22:52, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
        • QuentinGeorge, there is no reason to be insulting. I'm arguing a fairly reasonable point in the light of terrestrial science, not pushing fanon. To suggest that living on two different planets in different star systems is the same as living in a town outside the capital city does not make sense. Gravity, atmospheric levels, socioeconomic
  • As the group is clearly against the idea of species within the same genus, hrase are we going to use for these groups of humans? Hapans, Corellians, Etti, Danutan, etc. --SparqMan 03:15, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)


Since this seems to go on forever, why aren't we JUST renaming it as Naboo (people), so that everyone is happy and solve everything else there? Moff Rebus 07:20, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • The obvious consensus is Rename, with SparqMan being the only one who disagrees. We should close this and hold a vote on this article's talk page to determine the new article title. – Aidje talk 03:14, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)