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The result of the debate was merge and redirect to Mind trick. - Sikon [Talk] 08:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC).
Affect Mind, Dominate Mind
Gameplay mechanics. The Force power described is the mind trick, it was split in two for the sake of character development. - Sikon [Talk] 05:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Merge and Redirect
- People will search for these articles if they aren't left as redirects, but I otherwise agree with Sikon. They are the same thing in-universe. —Silly Dan (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
- MandalorianWarriortalk
19:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC) - These techniques are basically the same as Jedi Mind Trick, just with a different name. Do we have any articles about different levels of Force stun, lightning, and grip anyway? I don't think we should have new articles because having different levels of each of these techniques is purely for in-game mechanism. - TopAce 13:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Breathesgelatin 08:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep
- Game mechanics or not, they should be kept since they are stated as two "autonomous" variants of the mind trick in a canonical source (the KOTOR games are canonical aren't they?). KEJ 13:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Affect Mind, as it's been mentioned outside of game mechanics. Weak keep Dominate Mind, probably with an ambig tag. jSarek 05:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Comments
- I don't know about Dominate Mind, but Affect Mind is, I believe, the "real" name for the Jedi Mind Trick. In addition to being used in RPG guides, it is explicitly mentioned in the Star Wars Encyclopedia and A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, whereas "Mind Trick" and "Jedi Mind Trick" are not. jSarek 20:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- KOTOR is a canonical source, but I'm afraid what we see here is gameplay mechanics. Nobody seriously considers listing health or Force points, or leveling up, as canon. ("When Revan slew Malak, he was a level 20 Jedi Guardian." anyone?) It's the same power, Dominate Mind is just an advanced version introduced for the sake of character buildup, similar to how Force Healing is a canonical power, but "Heal - Improved Heal - Master Heal" is probably not. - Sikon [Talk] 14:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- You just said it yourself: dominate mind's an advanced version of the power. That is, it's an advanced variant of the power, which requires more experience and training than affect mind. Force points are the in-game symbol of experience and training to be sure, and they are OOU. But what they symbolize - experience and training - are not, and there would be nothing wrong with "When Revan slew Malak, he had regained so much of his former experience that he had mastered the advanced technique of Dominate Mind" (apart from it being an odd and irrelevant piece of info). KEJ 21:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)