Wookieepedia:Mofferences/Log/2021 February 27

[2021-02-27 18:50:13] <Toprawa> Ok, welcome, everyone, to Mofference 2021 
[2021-02-27 18:50:28] <Toprawa> I will quickly run through the procedures of the meeting
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[2021-02-27 18:50:40] <Toprawa> For those of you who are attending your first Mofference, you should especially pay attention 
[2021-02-27 18:50:51] <Toprawa> The Mofference is a series of real-time CTs that we will go through item by item
[2021-02-27 18:51:06] <Toprawa> While we do, the person presenting the item will have the meeting floor, while the rest of the channel will be muted
[2021-02-27 18:51:15] <Toprawa> Tommy will handle voicing and devoicing 
[2021-02-27 18:51:28] <Toprawa> The presenter will present their proposal, then we will open up the floor to discussion on the topic
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[2021-02-27 18:51:35] <Toprawa> Once discussion has concluded, we will vote
[2021-02-27 18:51:52] <Toprawa> Admins, you are reminded that we cannot mute you, so please do not speak over the presenter 
[2021-02-27 18:52:09] <Toprawa> Everyone is reminded to stay on topic at all times, or you will be removed from the meeting
[2021-02-27 18:52:27] <Toprawa> We will try to move through this as efficiently as possible, because no one wants to be here for 3 hours
[2021-02-27 18:52:55] <Toprawa> As the Mofference page explains, it's possible we may not get to all the items in the list if we run long on time
[2021-02-27 18:53:05] <Toprawa> Now here is how we vote
[2021-02-27 18:53:14] <Toprawa> GT has once again graciously lent us his bot, PurpleTentacle
[2021-02-27 18:53:20] <Toprawa> These are the bot commands:
[2021-02-27 18:53:27] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 18:53:27] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 18:53:29] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 18:53:29] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 18:53:31] <Toprawa> ~oppose
[2021-02-27 18:53:31] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Your vote has been changed to oppose.
[2021-02-27 18:53:32] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 18:53:33] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 18:53:33] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 1
[2021-02-27 18:53:34] <Toprawa> ~tally
[2021-02-27 18:53:34] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: 'Oppose': 1
[2021-02-27 18:53:45] <Toprawa> The only thing you need to worry about is ~support and ~oppose
[2021-02-27 18:53:55] <Toprawa> You need to vote ONLY with those commands, or the bot will not register your vote
[2021-02-27 18:54:08] <Toprawa> If the bot doesn't register your vote, it will not be counted
[2021-02-27 18:54:16] <Toprawa> I think that's about it
[2021-02-27 18:54:21] <Toprawa> Tommy, you can add anything I may have left out
[2021-02-27 18:54:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> Just to emphasise staying on topic
[2021-02-27 18:54:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> We have a great turnout today
[2021-02-27 18:54:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> which is lovely to see
[2021-02-27 18:54:56] <Tommy-Macaroni> But it also means things could get derailed
[2021-02-27 18:54:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> If something isn’t relevant, don’t say it
[2021-02-27 18:55:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> But, on the other hand, just have fun :P
[2021-02-27 18:55:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's all I've got to add :P
[2021-02-27 18:55:52] <Toprawa> Ok, we will begin in about 5 minutes then
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[2021-02-27 18:58:03] <Toprawa> !hieverybody
[2021-02-27 18:58:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Hello, AV-6R7, Ayrehead02, Bensc01t, blackwidowmovie0, ChanServ, CorellianPremier, Cwedin, Darth_Culator, DarthRuiz30, Defender1031, ecks, ecksbot, Erebus_Chronus, GreenTentacle, Imperators, MasterFred, miki, NanoLuuke, Nuku-Nuku, Omicron, OOM-224, pellaeon_, PurpleTentacle, RattsT, spookly, Tommy-Macaroni, Toprawa, ty, Tyber, Winterz, and Zed42 !!!
[2021-02-27 18:58:06] <Toprawa> 2-minute warning
[2021-02-27 18:58:08] <Toprawa> Final call
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[2021-02-27 18:59:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Wow, and more
[2021-02-27 18:59:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> So good to have such a good turnout this time
[2021-02-27 18:59:46] <Supreme_Emperor> Greetings
[2021-02-27 19:00:02] <Toprawa> Ok, let's do this thing
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[2021-02-27 19:00:12] <Toprawa> Welcome, one and all, to Mofference 2021
[2021-02-27 19:00:17] <Toprawa> Let's get right to it
[2021-02-27 19:00:22] <Toprawa> Tommy has the floor for item 1
[2021-02-27 19:00:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tope
[2021-02-27 19:00:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> OK, so my presentation is going to come in three parts, all linked to the Eras template
[2021-02-27 19:00:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> First off, I'd like to address the usage of era icons within the Eras template
[2021-02-27 19:00:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> It's been discussed on Discord recently that canon seems to have introduced Legends-like eras, so should we be using them in the same way as the Legends ones? This got us thinking about the way we actually use the era icons in Legends articles.
[2021-02-27 19:01:07] <Tommy-Macaroni> Simply, I think we should remove era icons from all in-universe articles. There are several reasons for this, but to name a few:
[2021-02-27 19:01:25] <Tommy-Macaroni> There is some discrepancy as to the exact timeframes of some of these Legends eras, such as differences between Dark Horse's timeline and Del Rey.
[2021-02-27 19:01:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Lucasfilm has stopped emphasising the importance of eras. They made a big push for them when they were first used, but they've kinda lost their prominence in recent years. Wookieepedia first started using eras because the original Databank featured them in a similar way, though that was dropped with the introduction of the Encyclopedia. With Lucasfilm no longer putting much emphasis on eras, I don't think we 
[2021-02-27 19:01:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> should be holding them in such stead either.
[2021-02-27 19:01:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> The very nature of publishing eras is that they are OOU. They are not IU periods, they are an OOU construct to categorise the release of Legends media. It doesn't make sense to have them in IU articles. If an article has an era parameter in {{Eras}}, the article should really be stating either an IU time period or an exact date too. Removing publishing eras should result in no loss of information.
[2021-02-27 19:02:16] <Tommy-Macaroni> This also means canon and Legends articles are more uniform, and makes the top row on articles less crowded, something which can be confusing for new readers. Like, this just doesn't look good: https://imgur.com/a/Eewjndk
[2021-02-27 19:02:17] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
[2021-02-27 19:02:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> To be clear, era icons would remain in the code for {{Eras}} and would still be used in OOU articles. This is because there would be no IU/OOU discrepancy and specific pieces of media have an easier time slotting into an era, often being explicitly labeled.
[2021-02-27 19:02:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> So this only applies to IU articles. From here, other people can look into whether we need similar era parameters for canon, but that isn't something relevant to this discussion.
[2021-02-27 19:03:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, this is proposing that we remove the bullet point dedicated to era parameters on [[Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Eras template]], and remove the era parameters from the hypothetical complete order of IU Eras parameters at the bottom of that section. Additionally, the following notice will be added to the section and to {{Eras}}:
[2021-02-27 19:03:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> "In-universe articles may not use parameters pertaining to Legends publishing eras in the Eras template. Those parameters may only be used on out-of-universe articles."
[2021-02-27 19:03:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> Also, while we're here, I'd also like to propose the deletion of [[Category:Years by publishing era]] and all categories within it. Following on from the reasoning above, there is no reason we should be applying OOU terms to IU categories like this.
[2021-02-27 19:03:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> OK, I open the floor.
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[2021-02-27 19:03:55] <Winterz> seems pretty sound to me
[2021-02-27 19:04:00] <Toprawa> Though for good lolz, we still don't fully know how to divide OOU eras between Dark Horse and Del Rey :P
[2021-02-27 19:04:00] <Imperators> kill :P
[2021-02-27 19:04:07] <Supreme_Emperor> I've no objection to this
[2021-02-27 19:04:12] <Bensc01t> Me neither
[2021-02-27 19:04:13] <Winterz> I wonder though, should they be relevant in the Bts section perhaps?
[2021-02-27 19:04:18] <Ayrehead02> This makes perfect sense to me
[2021-02-27 19:04:19] <AV-6R7> Seems a logical follow through of our removal of Eras from IU infoboxes.
[2021-02-27 19:04:26] <DarthRuiz30> No objection from me
[2021-02-27 19:04:30] <RattsT> The logic is sound, these aren't IU distinctions 
[2021-02-27 19:04:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Winterz: honestly, no, I don't think that's relevant
[2021-02-27 19:04:36] <Erebus_Chronus> Neither do I, perfectly logical if they're OOU
[2021-02-27 19:04:38] <MasterFred> Never fully liked having publishing eras in IU articles. We started on this voyage by removing them from infoboxes. Only makes sense we remove them from the article heading.
[2021-02-27 19:04:38] <Imperators> Winterz, they really only belong on the OOU media artiles.
[2021-02-27 19:04:43] <Imperators> *articles
[2021-02-27 19:04:44] <Winterz> ok
[2021-02-27 19:05:10] <Toprawa> Ok, we seem pretty clear on this
[2021-02-27 19:05:37] <Toprawa> Vote now on removal of OOU eras from IU Legends articles and the deletion of Category:Years by publishing era
[2021-02-27 19:05:39] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:05:39] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:05:40] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:40] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:41] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <OOM-224> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:42] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:43] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:45] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:46] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:47] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:48] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:49] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:49] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:49] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:49] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:49] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:50] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:51] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:51] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:51] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:05:56] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:05:56] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
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[2021-02-27 19:06:03] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:06:03] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:06:09] <Toprawa> Voting will close in 10 seconds
[2021-02-27 19:06:20] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:06:20] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:06:20] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 20
[2021-02-27 19:06:26] <Toprawa> ~tally
[2021-02-27 19:06:26] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: 'Support': 20
[2021-02-27 19:06:32] <Toprawa> Is tally redundant now?
[2021-02-27 19:06:33] <Toprawa> shrug
[2021-02-27 19:06:37] <Toprawa> Moving on to the next item
[2021-02-27 19:06:39] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:06:41] <Toprawa> Imperators, you have the floor
[2021-02-27 19:06:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> Tope
[2021-02-27 19:06:47] <Toprawa> Sorry
[2021-02-27 19:06:47] <Imperators> no I don't, sorry
[2021-02-27 19:06:48] <Toprawa> Wait
[2021-02-27 19:06:49] <Toprawa> Please hold
[2021-02-27 19:06:52] <Toprawa> For the log, I will note:
[2021-02-27 19:06:58] <Toprawa> Eras motion passes 20-0
[2021-02-27 19:07:01] <Toprawa> Ok, go ahead
[2021-02-27 19:07:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks
[2021-02-27 19:07:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> Right, cool
[2021-02-27 19:07:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> OK, so a little change to the Eras template section on [[Wookieepedia:Layout Guide]], which I noticed while looking into the logistics of a bot run for the previous proposal.
[2021-02-27 19:07:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> This is a do with the usage of "type=legends"
[2021-02-27 19:07:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> "type=legends" should only be used if the Legends banner is not already implemented by another variable, namely an era parameter, the use of "canon=," the article using /Legends in its name, or the article having a /Canon counterpart.
[2021-02-27 19:07:56] <Tommy-Macaroni> A Legends article should only use "type=legends" if none of those things are happening, otherwise it's extraneous
[2021-02-27 19:08:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, I propose that on [[Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Eras template]], we change the Continuity label sub–bullet point (currently number 4, but it will be number 3 after the eras point is removed) to the following:
[2021-02-27 19:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> "By default, Eras displays an article as canon. If an article is non-canon, "noncanon" should be used. If an article is Legends, the Legends banner is automatically displayed if an article has "/Legends" in its title, a canon counterpart with "/Canon" in its title, or if the parameter "canon=" is used in Eras. If a Legends article does not fit any of these criteria, "type=legends" should be used to display 
[2021-02-27 19:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> the Legends banner."
[2021-02-27 19:08:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's it, I open the floor.
[2021-02-27 19:08:34] <Toprawa> (Sorry, forgot you had multiple items :P )
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[2021-02-27 19:08:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Heh, np
[2021-02-27 19:09:07] <Imperators> fingers crossed that this can be botted :P
[2021-02-27 19:09:10] <Supreme_Emperor> Tope just trying to power through this :p
[2021-02-27 19:09:21] <MasterFred> Already looked this over and it makes perfect sense.
[2021-02-27 19:09:26] <Imperators> per ferd
[2021-02-27 19:09:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> Botting for these will be a fun game, but I'm hopeful
[2021-02-27 19:09:29] <Toprawa> Yeah, let's do it
[2021-02-27 19:09:31] <Erebus_Chronus> I fully support this
[2021-02-27 19:09:34] <Ayrehead02> Seems like very straight forward policy cleanup, sounds good
[2021-02-27 19:09:35] <Toprawa> TommyBot will eat us all
[2021-02-27 19:09:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Wait for part 3 :P
[2021-02-27 19:09:47] <Erebus_Chronus> No AL-BRT this time :P
[2021-02-27 19:09:54] <Zed42> I've noticed instances of that before, makes sense to me
[2021-02-27 19:10:06] <Toprawa> Ok, this is pretty straightforward 
[2021-02-27 19:10:06] <DarthRuiz30> Full support
[2021-02-27 19:10:07] <AV-6R7> This is literally just us fixing something, makes perfect sense.
[2021-02-27 19:10:09] <Darth_Culator> My bot works, as long as I don't have to figure out the commands for it.
[2021-02-27 19:10:16] <Tommy-Macaroni> XD
[2021-02-27 19:10:21] <Toprawa> Vote on proposal for Layout Guide Eras modification:
[2021-02-27 19:10:23] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:10:23] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:10:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:24] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:25] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:25] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:25] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:25] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:25] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:26] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:27] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:27] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:27] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:27] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:27] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:28] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:29] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:29] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:29] <Supreme_Emperor> I leave this to the bot wizards
[2021-02-27 19:10:30] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:30] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:31] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:32] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:33] <OOM-224> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:33] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:34] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:34] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:34] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:34] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:36] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:36] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:37] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:37] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:40] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:10:41] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:10:58] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 19:11:08] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:11:08] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:11:08] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 21
[2021-02-27 19:11:16] <Toprawa> Motion passes 21-0
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[2021-02-27 19:11:20] <Toprawa> Tommy, part 3
[2021-02-27 19:11:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> Coolio, thanks
[2021-02-27 19:11:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> OK. So, now we have the situation where the vast majority of our articles are no longer using era icons. And yet, the template they're all using is still called Eras. This seems silly.
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[2021-02-27 19:11:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> I think when Eras was introduced, that was a logical name, as displaying publishing eras was the template's intended purpose. However, as time has gone on, Eras has become a multi-functional template. Now that only a small percentage of our articles are using eras parameters, leaving the template at that title is just confusing, especially for new users.
[2021-02-27 19:12:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> While I admit the current name has the benefit of being familiar to all of us, I think it's time to move on and consider a new title that's more accurate and holistic in describing the template.
[2021-02-27 19:12:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> I think that name is {{Top}}
[2021-02-27 19:12:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> The template has too much going on for us to hope to describe all its functions in a concise name, but this simply says where the template belongs, and is short, simple, and to the point. Another added benefit is that the new title is less confusing. At the moment, if I mention "eras," it can be unclear whether I'm talking about the era parameters or the template Eras. This will make things much clearer.
[2021-02-27 19:12:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, I propose we move {{Eras}} to {{Top}} (which will include moving Module:Eras and modifying that as necessary) and update all mentions of the template on official pages eg LG, LG/OOU, MoS, etc.
[2021-02-27 19:12:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> I open the floor.
[2021-02-27 19:12:45] <Imperators> this makes sense, but you misspelled {{Tope}}, Tommy :P
[2021-02-27 19:12:46] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:12:47] <Toprawa> Saving on real estate by -1 character
[2021-02-27 19:12:48] <Toprawa> Support
[2021-02-27 19:13:03] <OOM-224> Makes perfect sense
[2021-02-27 19:13:06] <Darth_Culator> Sooo many templates and preloads to update. :P
[2021-02-27 19:13:12] <Toprawa> Only Jang has the honor of having a template named after him :P
[2021-02-27 19:13:23] <Ayrehead02> This is all part of some plot by "Top"rawa I'm sure, but also seems like the most logical choice
[2021-02-27 19:13:31] <Erebus_Chronus> Makes perfect sense to me
[2021-02-27 19:13:36] <Imperators> kill eras completely :P
[2021-02-27 19:13:41] <Supreme_Emperor> "Toprawapedia"
[2021-02-27 19:13:42] <Toprawa> Ok, the proposal is clear enough
[2021-02-27 19:13:42] <AV-6R7> Makes sense, but I think something like "Header" might better demonstrate its use. Still, I'll vote support all the same.
[2021-02-27 19:13:43] <MasterFred> Toprawa's greatest weapon for Wook dominance is logic. haha
[2021-02-27 19:13:46] <MasterFred> But I concur
[2021-02-27 19:13:48] <Bensc01t> Makes it very simple for new editors, has my support
[2021-02-27 19:13:51] <Toprawa> Let's vote
[2021-02-27 19:13:52] <Supreme_Emperor> I support
[2021-02-27 19:13:54] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:13:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:13:56] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:56] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:56] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:56] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:57] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:58] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:58] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:58] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:58] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:13:59] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:00] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:01] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:01] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:01] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:02] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:02] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:03] <OOM-224> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:03] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:03] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:05] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:05] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:14] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:14] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:15] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:14:15] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:14:24] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 19:14:31] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:14:31] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:14:31] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 22
[2021-02-27 19:14:34] <Toprawa> Motion passes 22-0
[2021-02-27 19:14:39] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:14:41] <Toprawa> For item 2, Imperators has the floor
[2021-02-27 19:14:46] <Imperators> ooh, ooh
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[2021-02-27 19:15:11] <Imperators> okay, so we're all aware we have articles for in-universe years, such as the BBY/ABY ones.
[2021-02-27 19:15:51] <Imperators> well, a few Legends sources, prominently the 2012 The Essential Guide to Warfare, went further and used explicitly named in-universe decades and centuries.
[2021-02-27 19:16:08] <Imperators> here's the few of them that we have articles for at the moment: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II/DPL
[2021-02-27 19:16:10] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Imperators II/DPL | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:17:11] <Imperators> since at least one of those, [[7700s BBY]], was deleted (CSD'd) at one point on the grounds of not being "necessary", I propose we codify the notability criteria for these decade/century articles.
[2021-02-27 19:17:19] <Imperators> Enter:
[2021-02-27 19:17:21] <Imperators> https://ecks.fandom.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II
[2021-02-27 19:17:22] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Imperators II | Ecks Wiki | Fandom (at ecks.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:17:37] <Imperators> this will be added to the in-universe section of our Notability policy.
[2021-02-27 19:17:45] <Imperators> Please take a second to read this.
[2021-02-27 19:17:50] <Imperators> That's it from me, thanks.
[2021-02-27 19:17:59] <Toprawa> To the floor
[2021-02-27 19:18:04] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:18:19] <Toprawa> After pregaming this one, I fully support
[2021-02-27 19:18:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, this is good
[2021-02-27 19:18:32] <Supreme_Emperor> Logic at it's finest
[2021-02-27 19:18:33] <Erebus_Chronus> I agree
[2021-02-27 19:18:34] <MasterFred> I've looked over this and helped iron out some points, and I think this is the best we are going to get.
[2021-02-27 19:18:35] <Shayanomer> Never even heard of these articles until now :P
[2021-02-27 19:18:40] <AV-6R7> Makes sense.
[2021-02-27 19:18:41] <Winterz> agree I do
[2021-02-27 19:18:49] <MasterFred> Imperators did good work here.
[2021-02-27 19:18:54] <DarthRuiz30> I agree
[2021-02-27 19:18:56] <AV-6R7> Yeah, I was also unaware these articles even existed.
[2021-02-27 19:19:01] <Ayrehead02> It's a niche little subject, but having it codified properly helps us retain what's necessary and avoid bloat
[2021-02-27 19:19:10] <Ayrehead02> Full support
[2021-02-27 19:19:16] <Toprawa> Avoid bloat = key 
[2021-02-27 19:19:17] <Immi> Likewise. But you broke down what does and doesn't meet the criteria clearly
[2021-02-27 19:19:19] <Bensc01t> Some new discoveries for me, but the logic makes sense. Full support
[2021-02-27 19:19:21] <Imperators> for the record, we're talking probably around 25 articles at most. Most of these from Warfare.
[2021-02-27 19:19:27] <MasterFred> This makes sure all the information has a home while preventing people from creating an article for every single decade or century.
[2021-02-27 19:19:41] <Toprawa> Ok, we all seem clear on this
[2021-02-27 19:19:43] <Darth_Culator> Which they would.
[2021-02-27 19:19:48] <MasterFred> ^
[2021-02-27 19:19:58] <Toprawa> Vote on Notability policy amendment for centuries/decades
[2021-02-27 19:20:00] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:20:00] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:20:01] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <OOM-224> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:02] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:03] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:04] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:05] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:05] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:05] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:06] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:07] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:07] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:08] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:09] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:13] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:13] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:16] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:16] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:17] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:17] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:24] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:24] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:20:24] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 19:20:36] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:20:36] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:20:36] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 22
[2021-02-27 19:20:38] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:20:41] <Toprawa> Motion passes 22-0
[2021-02-27 19:20:45] <Toprawa> For our third item, we go to Toprawa
[2021-02-27 19:21:15] <Toprawa> The following proposal primarily IRC and Discord privacy protections 
[2021-02-27 19:21:20] <Toprawa> primarily concerns*
[2021-02-27 19:22:03] <Toprawa> It hasn't been a huge issue in recent times, but we've had instances and episodes in the days of Wookieepedia past where people abused private discussions on IRC
[2021-02-27 19:22:46] <Toprawa> Basically, discussions that were held in private channels and/or settings were taken to the public wiki when they were never meant to be, and all drama ensued
[2021-02-27 19:23:25] <Toprawa> Now that we've introduced Wookieepedia to Discord, our chat population grows all the time, so there's only the increasing potential for this to once again become a problem
[2021-02-27 19:24:19] <Toprawa> Especially when you have fringe users like we do on Discord who get into our server by virtue of having 50 edits but aren't otherwise fully involved like our core group of users are (you guys, namely)
[2021-02-27 19:24:52] <Toprawa> I am therefore proposing a policy to protect a reasonable expectation of privacy for Wookieepedia users
[2021-02-27 19:25:15] <Toprawa> This isn't overly complex, but there's a lot to digest here, since this affects four different policy pages, as things often do
[2021-02-27 19:25:16] <Toprawa> So bear with me
[2021-02-27 19:25:36] <Toprawa> I'm going to link to you the four policy pages this will affect:
[2021-02-27 19:25:42] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:IRC#Rules
[2021-02-27 19:25:43] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:IRC | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:25:48] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Discord#Rules
[2021-02-27 19:25:49] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Discord | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:26:02] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Privacy_policy#E-mail_and_IRC
[2021-02-27 19:26:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Privacy policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:26:05] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Requests_for_removal_of_user_rights
[2021-02-27 19:26:07] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Requests for removal of user rights | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:26:19] <Toprawa> Here are the proposals that will go in each page, organized by section
[2021-02-27 19:26:28] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
[2021-02-27 19:26:29] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:26:36] <Toprawa> Please take a moment to read through them
[2021-02-27 19:27:01] <Toprawa> Basically, the gist here is you can't publicly disseminate private discussions on the wiki without consent of all parties involved in the discussion
[2021-02-27 19:27:14] <Toprawa> This goes for our private community channels and PM/DM discussions
[2021-02-27 19:27:28] <Toprawa> In Discord, especially, group DMs often serve as unofficial private channels
[2021-02-27 19:27:45] <Toprawa> That's about it.
[2021-02-27 19:27:50] <Toprawa> Tommy, the floor, please
[2021-02-27 19:27:51] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:28:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> I’ve already looked over this, and full support. If you can’t see the benefit of this, it’s probably not really geared for you, though you can take comfort in an extra layer of privacy. A lot of stuff goes on in non-public IRC and Discord channels which are intended to be private. This is a great thing to have in writing to avoid a lot of trouble
[2021-02-27 19:28:07] <Supreme_Emperor> Seems straight forward to me
[2021-02-27 19:28:13] <AV-6R7> Makes perfect sense to add this implement this.
[2021-02-27 19:28:16] <Darth_Culator> Your wikipedia link to "chat logs" doesn't work. Works when you change it to "chat log" singular, though.
[2021-02-27 19:28:29] <DarthRuiz30> Full support
[2021-02-27 19:28:30] <Supreme_Emperor> This is a common sense clarified as policy. Full support
[2021-02-27 19:28:31] <Toprawa> Thanks, we'll fix any Wikipedia link errors
[2021-02-27 19:28:43] <Immi> I haven't looked it over yet, so apologies if this is already covered-- does this account for making public (to admins) abuse of private communications to harass?
[2021-02-27 19:29:01] <Toprawa> I don't understand your question, Immora
[2021-02-27 19:29:18] <Ayrehead02> Yeah harassment was my one concern as well
[2021-02-27 19:29:22] <Supreme_Emperor> I believe he means if someone is harassing someone via pm, is he free to bring it to admins
[2021-02-27 19:29:37] — Immi is a she :)
[2021-02-27 19:29:38] <Toprawa> In privacy, of course -- that wouldn't count as public dissemination 
[2021-02-27 19:29:43] <Winterz> it's just the conversation that can't be made public right?
[2021-02-27 19:29:49] <Toprawa> You can privately message an admin, etc
[2021-02-27 19:29:56] <Winterz> without both parties' consent
[2021-02-27 19:30:01] <Toprawa> Correct
[2021-02-27 19:30:07] <Ayrehead02> Ah ok, in that case then I fully agree with this
[2021-02-27 19:30:09] <Supreme_Emperor> You just couldn't post it publicly to the site.
[2021-02-27 19:30:22] <Winterz> yeah sounds good to me
[2021-02-27 19:30:29] <DarthRuiz30> DM an admin and it will be reviewed
[2021-02-27 19:30:41] <Ayrehead02> Just wanted to make sure that victims of harassment wouldn't accidentally get themselves banned by sending proof to an admin
[2021-02-27 19:30:46] <Toprawa> Right
[2021-02-27 19:30:49] <Toprawa> No one would do that
[2021-02-27 19:30:56] <Toprawa> Definitely not the intention here
[2021-02-27 19:31:07] <Erebus_Chronus> Direct Messages are private so yeah, unless both parties involved in the discussion have consent about making it public, then no making it public. Is that what I'm understanding about some of this?
[2021-02-27 19:31:13] <Toprawa> Correct, Erebus
[2021-02-27 19:31:23] <MasterFred> This is pretty much exactly like most companies have for the privacy terms.
[2021-02-27 19:31:29] <Erebus_Chronus> Ok cool, you have my full support with this
[2021-02-27 19:31:30] <Ayrehead02> Ofcourse, I didn't think that anyone intended that, but wanted to make sure it wasn't misinterpreted
[2021-02-27 19:31:49] <Toprawa> No problem
[2021-02-27 19:31:50] <MasterFred> Which also allow for reporting to a superior any cases of private harassment.
[2021-02-27 19:32:18] <Immi> Without retaliation for making the report, etc.
[2021-02-27 19:32:23] <Toprawa> (Also redlinks will be fixed in proposal)
[2021-02-27 19:32:26] <Toprawa> I just noticed those
[2021-02-27 19:32:46] <Toprawa> If anyone still needs some time to read over the page I linked, please let me know
[2021-02-27 19:32:48] <Toprawa> I realize there's kind of a lot there
[2021-02-27 19:32:59] <Erebus_Chronus> Give me a few seconds
[2021-02-27 19:33:04] <Immi> Still reading since I was in convo here, sorry
[2021-02-27 19:33:19] <Toprawa> Also, this is updating the Email section of the Privacy policy page, which contains obsolete info right now
[2021-02-27 19:33:26] <Toprawa> It still says users can email other users from the wiki
[2021-02-27 19:33:33] <Toprawa> Which stopped being a thing in, like, 2010
[2021-02-27 19:33:56] <Erebus_Chronus> Alright, read through it all and it makes perfect sense. Nice work as always, Tope
[2021-02-27 19:34:03] <Toprawa> Thank you
[2021-02-27 19:34:43] <Toprawa> Let me know when you're ready, Immora
[2021-02-27 19:34:49] <Darth_Culator> We've previously had to use a broad interpretation of other rules for this kind of thing, so this is well overdue.
[2021-02-27 19:35:10] <Immi> Does somewhere else have a definition of what constitutes a public channel?
[2021-02-27 19:35:27] <Toprawa> This is defined on the IRC page
[2021-02-27 19:35:32] <Toprawa> Which is why I linked to those above
[2021-02-27 19:35:34] <Immi> Awesome
[2021-02-27 19:35:42] <Immi> I don't have further questions or comments, then
[2021-02-27 19:36:02] <Toprawa> And on Discord, private channels are anything in our server tree that normal users can't see, basically :P
[2021-02-27 19:36:12] <Toprawa> The admins will know what applies here
[2021-02-27 19:36:33] <Toprawa> That's just how Discord works
[2021-02-27 19:36:42] <Toprawa> Private channels don't appear to users who don't have access levels
[2021-02-27 19:36:43] <Erebus_Chronus> Vote now! Vote now!
[2021-02-27 19:36:49] <Toprawa> Ok, if you're ready
[2021-02-27 19:36:56] <Shayanomer> Ready
[2021-02-27 19:36:57] — Immi is ready
[2021-02-27 19:36:59] <Toprawa> Let's vote on these privacy protections
[2021-02-27 19:37:01] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:37:01] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:37:01] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:01] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:02] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <OOM-224> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:03] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:04] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:04] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:04] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:05] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:06] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:06] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:06] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:06] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:06] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:07] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:07] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:07] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:08] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:09] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:09] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:13] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:13] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:14] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:15] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:19] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:37:19] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:37:29] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 19:37:40] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:37:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:37:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 22
[2021-02-27 19:37:48] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:37:51] <Toprawa> Privacy protections motion passes 22-0
[2021-02-27 19:38:02] <Toprawa> I have a very quick sub-point to this one
[2021-02-27 19:38:10] <Toprawa> It's not related to privacy protection
[2021-02-27 19:38:27] <Toprawa> But while I was looking through the IRC channel list, we noticed we have some there that we simply don't use anymore
[2021-02-27 19:38:39] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:IRC#Subchannels
[2021-02-27 19:38:41] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:IRC | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:39:14] <Toprawa> #wookieepedia-rc, social, and spoilers are all either obsolete or have been supplanted by Discord
[2021-02-27 19:39:16] <Toprawa> Spoilers especially
[2021-02-27 19:39:36] ⇐ Supreme_Emperor quit (~androirc@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor): Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
[2021-02-27 19:39:38] <Toprawa> I am proposing simply that we close these channels and redirect them to #wookieepedia, thus removing them from this list
[2021-02-27 19:39:47] <Toprawa> Floor, please
[2021-02-27 19:39:48] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:39:52] <Tommy-Macaroni> Full support
[2021-02-27 19:39:52] <Imperators> kill :P
[2021-02-27 19:39:55] <Ayrehead02> Easy support
[2021-02-27 19:39:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Those are dead
[2021-02-27 19:39:57] <Shayanomer> Yeah sure why not
[2021-02-27 19:39:57] <MasterFred> Wipe them out.
[2021-02-27 19:39:59] <RattsT> Sure
[2021-02-27 19:39:59] <MasterFred> All of them.
[2021-02-27 19:40:03] <DarthRuiz30> kill
[2021-02-27 19:40:05] <Bensc01t> Dewit
[2021-02-27 19:40:05] <Immi> Do what must be done
[2021-02-27 19:40:06] <Erebus_Chronus> Wonder how long they've been dead for :P
[2021-02-27 19:40:14] <AV-6R7> Show no mercy.
[2021-02-27 19:40:17] <Darth_Culator> -social is actually the mirror for the Discord help channel.
[2021-02-27 19:40:22] <Toprawa> Oops
[2021-02-27 19:40:23] <Toprawa> Sorry
[2021-02-27 19:40:25] <Darth_Culator> But rc and spoilers can die.
[2021-02-27 19:40:30] <Toprawa> Did we want to include social?
[2021-02-27 19:40:32] <Toprawa> I can't remember
[2021-02-27 19:40:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> I think so
[2021-02-27 19:40:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> It's still unused from IRC's end
[2021-02-27 19:40:52] <Toprawa> Oh, right, I do remember now
[2021-02-27 19:40:58] <Erebus_Chronus> So all WP channels are being erased?
[2021-02-27 19:40:59] <Toprawa> We were concerned about the chat relay there
[2021-02-27 19:41:03] <Toprawa> But no one really uses it
[2021-02-27 19:41:08] <Toprawa> ecks was ok with it, IIRC
[2021-02-27 19:41:24] <Toprawa> The WookieeProject channels are not being erased
[2021-02-27 19:41:32] <MasterFred> Yeah, all social does here is show up as having new messages, which is annoying since they're just Discord messages.
[2021-02-27 19:41:35] <Toprawa> Those are basically the only ones still being left alive
[2021-02-27 19:41:48] <Erebus_Chronus> Alright
[2021-02-27 19:42:13] <Toprawa> So to reiterate, #wookieepedia-rc, #wookieepedia-social, and #wookieepedia-spoilers are being retired
[2021-02-27 19:42:30] <Toprawa> Ok, let's vote
[2021-02-27 19:42:32] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:42:32] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:42:32] <Erebus_Chronus> Spoilers has obviously been edged out by the Discord spoilers
[2021-02-27 19:42:33] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:33] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:35] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:35] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:35] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:35] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:37] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:37] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:37] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:37] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:38] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:38] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:38] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:38] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:39] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:39] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:42] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:42] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:42] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:43] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:43] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:43] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
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[2021-02-27 19:42:48] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:48] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:49] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v OOM-224-
[2021-02-27 19:42:50] <Darth_Culator> ~oppose
[2021-02-27 19:42:50] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Oppose vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:52] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:52] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:42:56] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:42:56] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:43:05] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:43:05] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:43:15] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 19:43:24] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 19:43:25] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 19:43:25] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 1
[2021-02-27 19:43:25] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 20
[2021-02-27 19:43:27] <Darth_Culator> Just on principle. Discord is run by communist furries and I will always hate it.
[2021-02-27 19:43:30] <Toprawa> Motion passes 20-1
[2021-02-27 19:43:35] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:43:39] <Toprawa> Next up, Toprawa
[2021-02-27 19:43:46] <Toprawa> Userpages
[2021-02-27 19:44:16] <Toprawa> As often happens, this began as a simple modification to the Userpage policy that ended up in a total overhaul of an outdated policy page
[2021-02-27 19:44:45] <Toprawa> We noticed also that in UCP, Fandom has introduced this new user profile thing
[2021-02-27 19:44:49] <Toprawa> Perhaps you've seen it
[2021-02-27 19:45:06] <Toprawa> It's basically this header section above the user page where you can put content about yourself
[2021-02-27 19:45:13] <Toprawa> There is either no character limit, or the limit is very, very large
[2021-02-27 19:45:19] <Toprawa> So it's like you have two userpages now
[2021-02-27 19:45:29] <Toprawa> And these user profiles are exclusive to each wiki
[2021-02-27 19:45:37] <Toprawa> So you can tailor it to each place you edit
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[2021-02-27 19:45:55] <Toprawa> Here is our current User page policy https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:User_page_policy
[2021-02-27 19:45:56] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:User page policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:46:03] <Toprawa> Look over that for comparison 
[2021-02-27 19:46:48] <Toprawa> And here is my proposed rewrite of that page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
[2021-02-27 19:46:49] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 19:47:05] <Toprawa> There aren't really any major changes being made here
[2021-02-27 19:47:16] <Toprawa> It's mostly just cleaning up and organizing everything better
[2021-02-27 19:47:24] <Toprawa> To briefly summarize the main points here:
[2021-02-27 19:47:33] <Toprawa> It now covers the UCP user profile, as stated
[2021-02-27 19:47:50] <Toprawa> This removes the ability to put user fanon on subpages; it will now be limited only to the main user page
[2021-02-27 19:48:15] <Toprawa> It renames the policy page "User page and profile policy" (should have led with that one)
[2021-02-27 19:48:31] <Toprawa> It's removing any stipulations about image galleries
[2021-02-27 19:48:47] <Toprawa> I know this was a big deal in the past, but who cares if someone puts an image gallery on their userpage?
[2021-02-27 19:49:05] <Toprawa> People like to showcase their favorite character images, etc., what difference does it make if it's formatted in a gallery or not?
[2021-02-27 19:49:16] <Toprawa> We have better things to be doing as admins than policing petty stuff like this
[2021-02-27 19:49:34] <Toprawa> And it includes a clause that says users may not edit other people's user pages
[2021-02-27 19:49:45] <Toprawa> Which has been an unwritten rule since ever, but for some reason was never codified
[2021-02-27 19:49:55] <Toprawa> And yes, this includes bots making maintenance edits
[2021-02-27 19:50:05] <Toprawa> Tommy will attest to this that there is no reason why bots need to be running through user pages
[2021-02-27 19:50:19] <Toprawa> Bot scripts can be tailored to individual namespaces, so it can bypass User:
[2021-02-27 19:50:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, just use -ns:-2,-1,0,1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 in the command line to exclude the bot namespace
[2021-02-27 19:50:36] <Toprawa> If someone has redirects or redlinks on their user pages, that is their right. Let them fix whatever they want to fix.
[2021-02-27 19:50:41] <Toprawa> No one should be doing that for them.
[2021-02-27 19:50:54] <Toprawa> That's it.
[2021-02-27 19:50:57] <Toprawa> Floor, please
[2021-02-27 19:51:03] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 19:51:13] <Imperators> bold
[2021-02-27 19:51:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Already read this, this is very good stuff
[2021-02-27 19:51:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Full support
[2021-02-27 19:51:22] <Winterz> just to see if I understood, so user page galleries are okay?
[2021-02-27 19:51:23] <MasterFred> Also already read this
[2021-02-27 19:51:28] <RattsT> Curious: what's the reasoning for restricting fanon from sub pages?
[2021-02-27 19:51:41] <Toprawa> Because we are not the Star Wars Fanon Wiki :P
[2021-02-27 19:51:52] <Tommy-Macaroni> Winterz: yes
[2021-02-27 19:52:02] <Immi> I know I've seen people use their subpages to create full-blown articles on fanon topics
[2021-02-27 19:52:06] <RattsT> Right, but why allow it at all then
[2021-02-27 19:52:21] <Toprawa> I'm fully in favor of restricting user page fanon
[2021-02-27 19:52:26] <Darth_Culator> One amendment I'd like to make is that it's okay to edit a userpage when an admin moves an image, since only we can do that and we always delete the redirect.
[2021-02-27 19:52:27] <Toprawa> But some users like to add it
[2021-02-27 19:52:27] <Erebus_Chronus> I agree with this. Even though I hate trying to read through that policy page because it's a mess of info, this is very logical
[2021-02-27 19:52:29] <MasterFred> I would be in favor, too.
[2021-02-27 19:52:37] <Toprawa> And if it makes them feel good about themselves, fine. 250 words is cheap
[2021-02-27 19:52:42] <Toprawa> It's a petty thing to police at 250 words
[2021-02-27 19:52:52] <Toprawa> As long as it's restricted to their main user page, I'm fine with it
[2021-02-27 19:53:03] <RattsT> Alright, makes sense
[2021-02-27 19:53:08] <Bensc01t> I'm fine with all this, full support
[2021-02-27 19:53:10] <Immi> This does specify clearly marking fanon, excellent
[2021-02-27 19:53:20] <AV-6R7> Yeah, I'd like for admins to be able to fix redirects if possible.
[2021-02-27 19:53:31] <Toprawa> There is no reason for admins to be fixing redirects
[2021-02-27 19:53:38] <Toprawa> Redirects are cheap
[2021-02-27 19:53:43] <Toprawa> And maybe I want redirects on my user page?
[2021-02-27 19:53:53] <Erebus_Chronus> Another thing, I especially like that we're talking about other users editing your main user page and subpages, even when those subpages are being used for personal projects
[2021-02-27 19:53:55] <Toprawa> It's not up to admins to decide to go in and change this stuff
[2021-02-27 19:54:02] <AV-6R7> I mean when a page needs to be made at a namespace that's currently a redirect.
[2021-02-27 19:54:18] <Toprawa> The user page doesn't affect that in any way, AV
[2021-02-27 19:54:28] <Toprawa> A user page link may become outdated or wrong, but so what? Let the user change that.
[2021-02-27 19:54:36] <Toprawa> Maybe they want it there like that for some reason
[2021-02-27 19:54:59] <MasterFred> That's not the responsibility of the admins. Admins have no need to fix userpage links. I go through every once in a while and make sure the links on my userpage and subpages are correct.
[2021-02-27 19:55:13] <Erebus_Chronus> Making changes to subpages for literally anything, be it a reference error or a redirect, should and can be changed at the user in question's own discretion
[2021-02-27 19:55:22] <AV-6R7> To clarify, it's fine to create an article when there's redirects left over on user pages?
[2021-02-27 19:55:22] <Toprawa> There's no reason admins need to go be going into someone else's user page for any reason except to remove inappropriate content
[2021-02-27 19:55:26] <Winterz> what if there's a need to delete a redirect for any reason?
[2021-02-27 19:55:41] <Toprawa> Then delete the redirect. It doesn't affect the user page.
[2021-02-27 19:55:51] <Toprawa> Nor does the user page affect the deletion
[2021-02-27 19:56:03] <Toprawa> This isn't difficult. Don't edit other people's user pages. :)
[2021-02-27 19:56:29] <OOM-224-> And if users have a link to an image that got moved and the image no longer shows, it's up to them to decide whether they want to update the link
[2021-02-27 19:56:31] <MasterFred> AV: Yes, userpages on "What links here" won't be counted.
[2021-02-27 19:56:34] <Winterz> of course, I'm just wondering it that's okay with you because articles with speedy notices or whatever will still have links to user pages
[2021-02-27 19:56:34] <Darth_Culator> I'm just saying, when I move a file, then delete the redirect, I don't want to make somebody go and hunt it down from the move log. I always fix it.
[2021-02-27 19:56:46] <Erebus_Chronus> I've had people edit my subpages before while I was in the middle of making a big expansion and they caused me an edit conflict, which is just ridiculous
[2021-02-27 19:56:50] <Toprawa> Ultimately, all redirects and redlinks will either be fixed or disappear when the idle user page gets turned into {{Inactive}}
[2021-02-27 19:57:05] <Darth_Culator> Just changing the line to "administrative corrections or removal of inappropriate content" will leave it to our discretion.
[2021-02-27 19:57:26] <Toprawa> There's no reason you need to remove the deleted image redlink, Culator
[2021-02-27 19:57:34] <Erebus_Chronus> So, this topic has my support 100%
[2021-02-27 19:57:35] <Toprawa> Other than you feel like being dutiful and cleaning it up
[2021-02-27 19:57:40] <Toprawa> But you don't actually need to do that
[2021-02-27 19:57:54] <Toprawa> It doesn't affect anything
[2021-02-27 19:58:05] <MasterFred> You can always leave a talk page notice if that helps you feel better. It would for me.
[2021-02-27 19:58:11] <Immi> It's messier to not let admins do that maintenance, but it's consistent with the rest of the policy
[2021-02-27 19:58:13] <Darth_Culator> I frequently use a tool that can't NOT do it. :P
[2021-02-27 19:58:33] <Toprawa> Then you shouldn't be using that tool in that way, then
[2021-02-27 19:59:09] <Immi> Would you be able to modify that tool to exclude the user page namespace, so you could continue using that tool without coming into policy violation?
[2021-02-27 19:59:09] <Toprawa> I think this is pretty clear at this point. You either support it or not. So let's vote
[2021-02-27 19:59:26] <Toprawa> Vote on User page rewrite
[2021-02-27 19:59:27] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 19:59:27] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:29] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:30] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:31] <Darth_Culator> ~oppose
[2021-02-27 19:59:31] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Oppose vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:32] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:32] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:33] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:33] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:34] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:34] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:34] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:34] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:35] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:35] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:36] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:37] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:40] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:40] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:41] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:41] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:45] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:45] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 19:59:59] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 19:59:59] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:00:04] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:00:07] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:00:07] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:00:28] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:00:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:00:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 1
[2021-02-27 20:00:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 19
[2021-02-27 20:00:31] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:00:35] <Toprawa> Motion passes 19-1
[2021-02-27 20:00:45] <Toprawa> Culator has the floor next
[2021-02-27 20:00:48] <Toprawa> No
[2021-02-27 20:00:49] <Toprawa> Sorry
[2021-02-27 20:00:50] <Toprawa> I can't read
[2021-02-27 20:00:53] <Toprawa> I do for one more
[2021-02-27 20:00:57] <Toprawa> Droid infoboxes
[2021-02-27 20:01:20] <Toprawa> This one should be pretty simple
[2021-02-27 20:01:36] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Droid
[2021-02-27 20:01:37] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Template:Droid | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:01:50] <Toprawa> I am proposing we remove the "degree" field from this template
[2021-02-27 20:01:57] <Toprawa> This affects individual droids, not droid models
[2021-02-27 20:02:20] <Toprawa> Up to this point, we've been including this in the infobox field but no needing to mention it in the article body because it's covered by the droid model
[2021-02-27 20:02:34] <Toprawa> For example, saying R2-D2 is an R2-series astromech droid covers the fact that he's a second-class droid or whatever that class is
[2021-02-27 20:02:49] <Toprawa> But it's unnecessary to list here, for the same reason we don't need to say a Human character is a mammal
[2021-02-27 20:02:58] <Toprawa> It's covered by the droid model article just like it's covered by the species article
[2021-02-27 20:03:14] <Toprawa> This degree field exists in Template:Droid series, where it should be covered
[2021-02-27 20:03:19] <Toprawa> Floor, please
[2021-02-27 20:03:26] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:03:28] <Imperators> kill :P
[2021-02-27 20:03:29] <Erebus_Chronus> Kill
[2021-02-27 20:03:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Do it
[2021-02-27 20:03:38] <Immi> I trust the droid people to know what they're doing with droids ;)
[2021-02-27 20:03:42] <Ayrehead02> Yeah this is a weird inconsistency that's bothered me for a while
[2021-02-27 20:03:44] <Zed42> Makes sense to me. Also removes the need for extraneous ref notes that aren't utilized anywhere but the infobox
[2021-02-27 20:03:50] <Winterz> what do you mean Humans are mammals?
[2021-02-27 20:03:57] <GreenTentacle> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Heep has no model but is explicitly listed as fourth degree.
[2021-02-27 20:03:58] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Great Heep | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:04:13] <Immi> A fourth degree of what?
[2021-02-27 20:04:14] <Winterz> I know of a few reptomammals!
[2021-02-27 20:04:33] <Toprawa> I would say that should utilize the Droid model infobox, GT
[2021-02-27 20:04:34] <Imperators> Winterz, please refrain from off-topic chat.
[2021-02-27 20:04:39] <Toprawa> It's more of an individual model than an individual droid
[2021-02-27 20:04:46] <Winterz> apologies, I support this
[2021-02-27 20:04:57] <AV-6R7> I'd say the field is worth retaining for cases like the Great Heap, where degree is known but not class, and codify it somewhere that we omit degree when class is known.
[2021-02-27 20:05:08] <Ayrehead02> Also in the very rare case that a droid has a degree but not a model, I think that can just be mentioned in the body
[2021-02-27 20:05:13] <Shayanomer> Just removing what is unnecessary, support
[2021-02-27 20:05:24] <Bensc01t> Likewise
[2021-02-27 20:05:31] <Toprawa> I think I agree with Ayrehead
[2021-02-27 20:05:34] <Imperators> per Ayre. And it'll probably show up in categorization, as well.
[2021-02-27 20:05:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yup, per Ayre
[2021-02-27 20:05:48] <Toprawa> If you felt compelled to use the individual droid infobox for Great Heep, etc., just mention it in the body
[2021-02-27 20:05:51] <Ayrehead02> It isn't worth including this on every droid page just for those tiny number of anomalies
[2021-02-27 20:05:57] <GreenTentacle> The model infobox wouldn't allow for date destroyed.
[2021-02-27 20:06:03] <Erebus_Chronus> I agree with Ayre, as well
[2021-02-27 20:06:12] <GreenTentacle> It's mentioned in the body anyway, but just pointing out there are always exceptions.
[2021-02-27 20:06:23] <MasterFred> Yeah, Ayre's suggestion is the best solution in this case.
[2021-02-27 20:06:50] <DarthRuiz30> I agree with Ayre
[2021-02-27 20:06:55] <NanoLuuke> Same
[2021-02-27 20:06:56] <AV-6R7> I concur with GreenTentacle, the Droid model infobox doesn't have all the bells and whistles sometimes required for character articles.
[2021-02-27 20:07:14] <Toprawa> Ok, let's vote on that then. Vote to remove degree field from Droid infobox and mention Great Heep instances in the body only, per Ayrehead's suggestion
[2021-02-27 20:07:20] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:07:20] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:07:21] <Immi> I agree as well-- the infobox should have the most frequently used... thingies, not every possible scrap of info. It can always go in the body
[2021-02-27 20:07:21] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:21] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:22] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:22] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:23] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:24] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:24] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:24] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:24] <AV-6R7> ~oppose
[2021-02-27 20:07:25] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Oppose vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:25] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:25] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:25] <Omicron> ~oppose
[2021-02-27 20:07:26] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Oppose vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:27] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:27] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:27] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:27] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:28] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:28] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:30] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:31] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:31] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:31] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:34] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:35] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:35] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:35] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:38] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:38] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:38] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:07:38] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:07:51] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:08:01] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:08:01] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:08:01] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 2
[2021-02-27 20:08:01] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 17
[2021-02-27 20:08:04] <Toprawa> Motion passes 17-2
[2021-02-27 20:08:07] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:08:09] <Toprawa> Now we go to Culator
[2021-02-27 20:08:29] <Darth_Culator> Alrighty then.
[2021-02-27 20:09:14] <Darth_Culator> Basically, we've got a new issue in our ongoing battle with image quality.
[2021-02-27 20:09:54] <Darth_Culator> 4K images are a pain. Capturing them is a pain, and processing them is worse.
[2021-02-27 20:10:12] <Darth_Culator> So we need a minor amendment to the image policy. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Darth_Culator/TEHMORFFRENCE
[2021-02-27 20:10:13] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Darth Culator/TEHMORFFRENCE | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:11:44] <Darth_Culator> The 4K releases of the Star Wars films on Blu-ray are in what they call "HDR" color, which isn't compatible with JPEG or PNG, so they need to be converted to a format that IS compatible. That conversion can make them look like crap if you're not careful. So rule 1 says be careful.
[2021-02-27 20:11:56] <Darth_Culator> Rule 2 says 4K isn't mandatory.
[2021-02-27 20:12:09] <Darth_Culator> And rule 3 says if your upload looks like crap anyway, we can throw it out.
[2021-02-27 20:12:48] <Darth_Culator> I open the floor to questions, comments, concerns.
[2021-02-27 20:12:49] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:13:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> I don't really understand this but you know this stuff Culator so full support
[2021-02-27 20:13:14] <Winterz> This is all cantonese to me, but I trust you know what you're doing. 
[2021-02-27 20:13:20] — Toprawa can't do 4K anyways, trusts Culator knows what he's doing :P
[2021-02-27 20:13:24] <DarthRuiz30> Same, but full support
[2021-02-27 20:13:36] <Zed42> Same sentiment here :P
[2021-02-27 20:13:37] <Ayrehead02> Yeah this makes sense from what I've seen of 4K
[2021-02-27 20:13:39] <MasterFred> I'm glad you dumbed it down here for us, because I kinda understand what this means now. haha
[2021-02-27 20:13:40] <Erebus_Chronus> Per Tommy, I'm not the image guy like you, but I agree
[2021-02-27 20:13:48] <Ayrehead02> And given how hard it is we definitely should never require it
[2021-02-27 20:13:54] <AV-6R7> Not an image person, but sounds good.
[2021-02-27 20:14:04] <Bensc01t> Per Tommy
[2021-02-27 20:14:11] <Toprawa> All right, this is pretty clear, so let's keep this train moving along
[2021-02-27 20:14:15] <Toprawa> Vote on 4K proposal
[2021-02-27 20:14:17] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:14:17] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:14:17] <Winterz> I am an image person, just not a 4K image person 
[2021-02-27 20:14:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:18] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:18] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:19] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:19] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:19] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:19] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:19] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:20] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:20] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:20] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:20] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:21] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:22] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:22] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:23] <Immi> Yeah, any thoughts I have are beyond policy-related
[2021-02-27 20:14:23] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:23] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:23] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:23] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:24] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:24] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:24] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:24] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:25] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:25] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:27] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:28] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:29] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:29] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:30] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:30] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:34] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:14:34] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:14:43] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:14:54] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:14:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:14:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 19
[2021-02-27 20:14:56] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:15:00] <Toprawa> Motion passes 19-0
[2021-02-27 20:15:06] <Toprawa> Next, we go back to Toprawa
[2021-02-27 20:15:13] <Toprawa> For Layout Guide for species
[2021-02-27 20:15:33] <Toprawa> As you know, we have a nice layout for species https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Species_articles
[2021-02-27 20:15:34] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:15:38] <Toprawa> But it doesn't quite cover one thing perfectly 
[2021-02-27 20:16:10] <Toprawa> Namely, the History section is meant to deal with the history of a species on their homeworld, and naturally [Species] in the galaxy covers everything else off their homeworld
[2021-02-27 20:16:38] <Toprawa> Our species articles have followed this precedent since the beginning here, so there's no real change other than clarifying this in the policy wording
[2021-02-27 20:17:02] <Toprawa> My proposal is thus:
[2021-02-27 20:17:14] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
[2021-02-27 20:17:16] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:17:35] <Toprawa> It's just clarifying "on homeworld" and "not on homeworld," to basically paraphrase 
[2021-02-27 20:17:43] <Toprawa> The floor, please
[2021-02-27 20:17:46] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:17:59] <Imperators> makes sense.
[2021-02-27 20:18:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> Makes sense. Nice work. Fully support
[2021-02-27 20:18:14] <Immi> Nice addition for clarity
[2021-02-27 20:18:17] <MasterFred> Easy enough
[2021-02-27 20:18:19] <AV-6R7> Looks good, nice to have a clear division.
[2021-02-27 20:18:19] <Omicron> learned something new today
[2021-02-27 20:18:28] <Erebus_Chronus> This makes perfect sense, 100% support
[2021-02-27 20:18:41] <Bensc01t> Yh that rolls with me, full support
[2021-02-27 20:18:42] <Zed42> Makes sense and removes any confusion between the two
[2021-02-27 20:18:58] <RattsT> I assume the History section will be allowed to cover species that were explorers/colonizers as well?
[2021-02-27 20:19:04] <Ayrehead02> Always happy to support making policies clearer
[2021-02-27 20:19:07] <DarthRuiz30> 100% support
[2021-02-27 20:19:27] <RattsT> sorry
[2021-02-27 20:19:29] <RattsT> wait
[2021-02-27 20:19:33] <RattsT> misread
[2021-02-27 20:19:53] <Toprawa> We're clear then?
[2021-02-27 20:19:57] <RattsT> Yea
[2021-02-27 20:19:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> Let's a go
[2021-02-27 20:19:59] <Toprawa> Cool
[2021-02-27 20:20:01] <Erebus_Chronus> It's a good thing to cover events that took place on their homeworld rather than across the entire galaxy because if that were to be the case, species pages could get out of hand and incredibly large for things that aren't really prominent
[2021-02-27 20:20:14] <Toprawa> Right, let's vote then
[2021-02-27 20:20:20] <Toprawa> Vote on Layout Guide species proposal
[2021-02-27 20:20:22] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:20:22] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:20:23] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:23] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:23] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:23] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:24] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:25] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:26] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:26] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:26] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:27] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:27] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:28] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:28] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:29] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:29] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:30] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:33] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:33] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:35] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:36] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:42] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:20:45] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:20:45] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:20:54] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:20:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:20:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 22
[2021-02-27 20:20:56] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v Winterz
[2021-02-27 20:20:56] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:20:58] <Toprawa> Motion passes 22-0
[2021-02-27 20:21:04] <Toprawa> Next, we go to Winterz
[2021-02-27 20:21:11] <Winterz> hi
[2021-02-27 20:21:26] <Winterz> The mediacat placement in IU articles was established by policy in a Mofference such as this back in 2020. I'm proposing we do this for OOU articles as well.
[2021-02-27 20:21:42] <Winterz> I propose we place the mediacat template under the bibliography template. It's the obvious choice since it's mandatory for all OOU articles. 
[2021-02-27 20:21:53] <Winterz> bibliography section*
[2021-02-27 20:22:08] <Winterz> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Mediacat
[2021-02-27 20:22:10] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:22:31] <Winterz> following this template, I propose we place something similar within
[2021-02-27 20:22:32] <Winterz> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide/Out-of-universe#Bibliography
[2021-02-27 20:22:33] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide/Out-of-universe | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:22:54] <Winterz> something like this
[2021-02-27 20:22:55] <Winterz> Mediacat
[2021-02-27 20:22:55] <Winterz> When two or more images and/or sound files on Wookieepedia featured or are featured within the article's subject, corresponding categories must be created. These must be linked to via the {{Mediacat}} template, which ideally shall be placed immediately below the title of the "Bibliography".
[2021-02-27 20:23:35] <Winterz> there's some mispelling there, apologies time was short I'll correct it in a minute
[2021-02-27 20:23:41] <Winterz> but you can open the floor
[2021-02-27 20:23:42] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v Winterz
[2021-02-27 20:23:42] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:23:45] <Toprawa> Just to be clear, when you say "Bibliography template," you mean the Bibliography section?
[2021-02-27 20:23:59] <Toprawa> We're not talking about a template here, right?
[2021-02-27 20:24:04] <Winterz> Yes, I corrected it afterwards
[2021-02-27 20:24:07] <Imperators> do you have an example article at hand, Winterz?
[2021-02-27 20:24:11] <Winterz> I meant the section yes
[2021-02-27 20:24:12] <NanoLuuke> Obviously, I support
[2021-02-27 20:24:20] <Toprawa> Can I ask what your actual proposal wording is for the policy page?
[2021-02-27 20:24:31] <Toprawa> I'm not clear whether you meant what you posted there to be it or not, since you say "something like thsi"
[2021-02-27 20:24:32] <Toprawa> this*
[2021-02-27 20:25:15] <Winterz> Mediacat
[2021-02-27 20:25:16] <Winterz> When two or more images and/or sound files on Wookieepedia feature or are featured within the article's subject, corresponding categories must be created. These must be linked to via the {{Mediacat}} template, which ideally shall be placed immediately below the title of the "Bibliography".
[2021-02-27 20:25:30] <Toprawa> Ok, firstly, and this is why I ask, that sentence doesn't make sense
[2021-02-27 20:26:02] <Toprawa> Actually, let me back up for a second
[2021-02-27 20:26:12] <Toprawa> Are you basically intending this to be the same as the policy on the Layout Guide?
[2021-02-27 20:26:31] <Winterz> yes but applied to the OOU LG
[2021-02-27 20:26:43] <Toprawa> Can we just make the wording on both pages identical then?
[2021-02-27 20:26:52] <Toprawa> It helps when these things are match for match
[2021-02-27 20:27:04] <Winterz> the situations are different, Tope
[2021-02-27 20:27:07] <Immi> OOU has "Bibliography" rather than "Appearances" and Sources"
[2021-02-27 20:27:20] <Erebus_Chronus> Simple, we just change those
[2021-02-27 20:27:21] <Toprawa> I'm not talking about the sections
[2021-02-27 20:27:27] <Toprawa> I'm talking about the actual wording
[2021-02-27 20:27:33] <Winterz> the mediacat in product articles for instance don't represent articles of the subject, but articles featured within it
[2021-02-27 20:27:34] <Toprawa> The LG version starts off "n the instance two or more images and/or sound files on Wookieepedia feature the article's subject, corresponding categories must be created."
[2021-02-27 20:27:36] <Immi> So to swap those out:
[2021-02-27 20:27:42] <Toprawa> Why can' we just word it that way for the OOU LG?
[2021-02-27 20:27:45] <Toprawa> can't*
[2021-02-27 20:27:56] <Winterz> whilst for OOU people the mediacat serves more like the IU mediacat
[2021-02-27 20:28:23] <AV-6R7> I agree with Tope, the wording should be largely identical between the two.
[2021-02-27 20:28:31] <NanoLuuke> In the instance two or more images and/or sound files on Wookieepedia feature the article's subject, corresponding categories must be created. These must be linked to via the {{Mediacat}} template, which ideally shall be placed immediately below the title of the "Bibliography" of the respective article. If the template interferes with the presentation of media titles in the aforementioned sections, it shall be placed immediately below 
[2021-02-27 20:28:32] <NanoLuuke> the subsequent section of the article ("Notes and references").
[2021-02-27 20:28:32] <Winterz> it's just that small difference between the categories "Images from" and "Images of"
[2021-02-27 20:28:43] <Erebus_Chronus> I also agree with Tope
[2021-02-27 20:29:02] <Imperators> I think it should be perfectly fine to have matching wording.
[2021-02-27 20:29:12] <Toprawa> Nano's version looks good to me
[2021-02-27 20:29:14] <Immi> NanoLuuke did what I was doing before I could finish doing it
[2021-02-27 20:29:18] <Toprawa> That makes sense
[2021-02-27 20:29:27] <Winterz> the issue is that "Wookieepedia feature the article's subject" doesn't seem correct when applied to a product article for instance
[2021-02-27 20:29:37] <Winterz> the Images are not of but from
[2021-02-27 20:29:45] <MasterFred> That's one and the same
[2021-02-27 20:29:51] <GreenTentacle> Yeah, but OOU articles aren't all products.
[2021-02-27 20:29:58] <GreenTentacle> Nano's version is fine.
[2021-02-27 20:29:59] <MasterFred> An image from the book is inherently an image of the book's page.
[2021-02-27 20:30:03] <Winterz> hence why I tweaked it a bit, GT
[2021-02-27 20:30:23] <MasterFred> I think all admins will interpret this the way you are wanting, Winterz.
[2021-02-27 20:30:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, Nano's is good
[2021-02-27 20:30:32] <Winterz> well I'm okay with what NanoLuuke proposed
[2021-02-27 20:30:38] <MasterFred> So implementation will be the same as what you're looking for.
[2021-02-27 20:30:41] <Imperators> and more importantly, all status article review panel members :P
[2021-02-27 20:30:47] <MasterFred> ^
[2021-02-27 20:30:49] <Winterz> ok let's vote then
[2021-02-27 20:30:50] <Immi> If you mean, for instance, an artist's work-- yeah, it'd be "by" rather than "of". But I think we all get it
[2021-02-27 20:31:06] <Winterz> yes, exactly. But if there's no need for a difference then let's go
[2021-02-27 20:31:10] <Toprawa> Ok
[2021-02-27 20:31:18] <Toprawa> Let's vote on Mediacat proposal, specifically Nano's version
[2021-02-27 20:31:20] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:31:20] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:31:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:21] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:22] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:22] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:22] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:22] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:22] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:23] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:24] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:25] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:25] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:25] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:26] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:27] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:27] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:28] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:28] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:28] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:28] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:31] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:31] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:34] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:34] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:34] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:34] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:36] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:31:36] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:31:49] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:32:00] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:32:00] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:32:00] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 21
[2021-02-27 20:32:03] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v RattsT
[2021-02-27 20:32:03] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:32:04] <Toprawa> Motion passes 21-0
[2021-02-27 20:32:09] <Toprawa> We go to RattsT
[2021-02-27 20:32:13] <RattsT> Hey all
[2021-02-27 20:32:40] <RattsT> So, the Layout Guide currently contains no rules regarding how to address subjects that first appear in multiple sources released on the same day.
[2021-02-27 20:32:55] <RattsT> {{1st}} can use certain parameters to indicate when sources released simultaneously, but there's no explicit guidelines for it's usage.
[2021-02-27 20:33:24] <RattsT> This becomes a problem when there's technically nothing to stop us from doing this:
[2021-02-27 20:33:27] <RattsT> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sskeer?diff=prev&oldid=9670866
[2021-02-27 20:33:28] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Difference between revisions of "Sskeer" | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:33:51] <RattsT> I think we can all agree that this is an eye sore. So I'm proposing this:
[2021-02-27 20:34:02] <RattsT> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:RattsT/Workbench_3
[2021-02-27 20:34:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:RattsT/Workbench 3 | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:34:40] <RattsT> Basically, we're saying that only one source will use the first appearance template
[2021-02-27 20:35:18] <RattsT> This is an unwritten rule that's already been followed on several status articles, so this is just codifying our practices
[2021-02-27 20:35:27] <RattsT> That's all from me.
[2021-02-27 20:35:29] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v RattsT
[2021-02-27 20:35:29] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:35:35] <Winterz> I saw this being applied somewhere and I agree. But I'm not sure about this "In instances where the chronology of the media cannot be determined, the most significant work"
[2021-02-27 20:35:42] <Imperators> to wit, this is the precedent article: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ruescott_Melshi#Appearances
[2021-02-27 20:35:44] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Ruescott Melshi | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:35:49] <Winterz> how to determine which is the most significant work
[2021-02-27 20:35:55] <Imperators> yeah, can you explain that bit, Ratts?
[2021-02-27 20:35:56] <Toprawa> Where the proposal says "the first chronological story," you basically mean the first item in the list?
[2021-02-27 20:36:03] <RattsT> Winterz, that was written with something like audiobooks in mind
[2021-02-27 20:36:13] <Winterz> yes but in your example that's not only audiobooks
[2021-02-27 20:36:14] <MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Coca-Cola
[2021-02-27 20:36:15] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Coca-Cola | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:36:16] <MasterFred> Another example
[2021-02-27 20:36:27] <RattsT> Yea Tope
[2021-02-27 20:36:28] <MasterFred> And basically any article with multiple Datapad appearances.
[2021-02-27 20:36:32] <Toprawa> We need to order this questioning
[2021-02-27 20:36:37] <Toprawa> So everyone isn't shouting at once
[2021-02-27 20:36:40] <Toprawa> Imperators, you ask first
[2021-02-27 20:36:56] <Toprawa> Ratts, please respond to Imperators if you will
[2021-02-27 20:37:00] <RattsT> Sure
[2021-02-27 20:37:25] <RattsT> So in terms of films and their adaptations for example
[2021-02-27 20:37:40] <Winterz> may I?
[2021-02-27 20:37:44] <RattsT> Rogue One is the 1st appearance of Melshi, linked above, not the novel
[2021-02-27 20:37:55] <Imperators> Comment: It's a bad idea to introduce wording like "most significant source" in policy text. Question: What does the sentence starting with "In instances where the chronology of the media cannot be determined" mean, exactly? Can you explain that?
[2021-02-27 20:38:20] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v RattsT
[2021-02-27 20:38:20] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:38:24] <Toprawa> We're muting everyone but Ratts so he can respond to Imperators
[2021-02-27 20:38:41] <RattsT> That was also with audiobooks in mind Imp. They tell the exact same story as the base novels
[2021-02-27 20:39:14] <RattsT> The "significant work" language should probably be removed, looking back
[2021-02-27 20:39:28] <Toprawa> Can I offer an adjustment that I think will simply this whole thing?
[2021-02-27 20:39:34] <RattsT> Sure
[2021-02-27 20:39:35] <Toprawa> And we will unmute this then
[2021-02-27 20:40:16] <Toprawa> Just say, to paraphrase, When {{1st}} and {{1stm}} applies to multiple items, just indicate the simultaneous thing on the first items listed in the Appearances/Sources
[2021-02-27 20:40:25] <Toprawa> And specifically link to Melshi as the example
[2021-02-27 20:40:44] <Toprawa> Does that make sense?
[2021-02-27 20:40:48] <RattsT> That gets at what I'm trying to accomplish in much simpler terms, yeah
[2021-02-27 20:40:50] <Toprawa> List it once and only on the first items lsited
[2021-02-27 20:40:53] <Toprawa> listed*
[2021-02-27 20:41:01] <Imperators> if simplified, this would do the trick for me.
[2021-02-27 20:41:12] * Channel mode set to -m by Toprawa
[2021-02-27 20:41:17] <Toprawa> Sorry for the mute
[2021-02-27 20:41:19] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v RattsT
[2021-02-27 20:41:24] <Zed42> Was going to suggest the same thing. Adaptations and audiobooks will naturally be listed after the base work
[2021-02-27 20:41:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, that's good Tope
[2021-02-27 20:41:29] <AV-6R7> Yeah, that simplification looks very good.
[2021-02-27 20:41:31] <Darth_Culator> 👍
[2021-02-27 20:41:38] <GreenTentacle> Works for me
[2021-02-27 20:41:46] <DarthRuiz30> That works for me
[2021-02-27 20:41:47] <Ayrehead02> Sounds good
[2021-02-27 20:41:49] <Immi> The wording could use improvement, but the sentiment is good
[2021-02-27 20:41:55] <Toprawa> Right
[2021-02-27 20:42:01] <Erebus_Chronus> All good, was necessary. But anyway, as was I. Sskeer is definitely an eyesore
[2021-02-27 20:42:09] <Toprawa> I don't have an official wording up my sleeve right now
[2021-02-27 20:42:15] <Toprawa> Someone can take a stab if they want
[2021-02-27 20:42:21] <Bensc01t> I'm all for the idea
[2021-02-27 20:42:22] <Toprawa> Or you can just trust us to come up with one
[2021-02-27 20:42:54] <Ayrehead02> We promise Tope will bring out his best legalese
[2021-02-27 20:42:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> We can vote to support the idea and then later just implement the wording, it's not a complicated idea
[2021-02-27 20:43:05] <Erebus_Chronus> ^
[2021-02-27 20:43:06] <Imperators> let's
[2021-02-27 20:43:06] <RattsT> ^
[2021-02-27 20:43:09] <MasterFred> We've done that plenty of times before
[2021-02-27 20:43:23] <Toprawa> Sure
[2021-02-27 20:43:27] <Toprawa> Ok, vote on this idea then
[2021-02-27 20:43:30] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:43:30] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:43:32] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:33] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:34] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:35] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:35] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:35] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:36] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:36] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:37] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:37] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:38] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:38] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:38] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:38] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:38] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:39] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:41] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:42] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:43] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:43] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:53] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:43:53] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:43:56] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:44:03] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:44:04] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:44:04] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 21
[2021-02-27 20:44:05] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:44:08] <Toprawa> Motion passes 21-0
[2021-02-27 20:44:19] <Toprawa> Next to Toprawa
[2021-02-27 20:44:28] <Toprawa> We're getting long on time, so I'll make this quick
[2021-02-27 20:44:48] <Toprawa> We recently had an incident where a well-meaning user recommended editing out an artist's signature from an image for "lore" purposes
[2021-02-27 20:45:08] <Toprawa> For a variety of reasons, copyright and disrespect chief among them, this should not be done, ever
[2021-02-27 20:45:18] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Images#Restoration_and_enhancement
[2021-02-27 20:45:19] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Images | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:45:22] <Toprawa> I am proposing a new item 3 to this section
[2021-02-27 20:45:33] <Toprawa> "Artist signatures should never be edited out of images unless the signature happens to be removed through simple cropping."
[2021-02-27 20:45:38] <Toprawa> Floor open
[2021-02-27 20:45:39] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:45:45] <NanoLuuke> Full support
[2021-02-27 20:45:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yes
[2021-02-27 20:45:46] <Shayanomer> Yes, we need this
[2021-02-27 20:45:47] <RattsT> Easy support
[2021-02-27 20:45:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> Very yes
[2021-02-27 20:45:50] <Immi> Big time support
[2021-02-27 20:45:50] <Imperators> straightforward
[2021-02-27 20:45:52] <AV-6R7> Sounds good.
[2021-02-27 20:45:53] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:45:53] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: There is no open vote on this channel.
[2021-02-27 20:46:02] <MasterFred> oops haha hit the up key
[2021-02-27 20:46:05] <Immi> Hahaha
[2021-02-27 20:46:07] <DarthRuiz30> full support
[2021-02-27 20:46:08] <Bensc01t> 100 percent support
[2021-02-27 20:46:19] <Erebus_Chronus> I remember this conversation, and yes. Removing a signature is just a big slap in the face to said artist, and can get us in a LOT of trouble
[2021-02-27 20:46:32] <Shayanomer> I was shocked it was even brought up in the first place
[2021-02-27 20:47:04] <Toprawa> Ok, let's vote on Image policy proposal for artist signatures
[2021-02-27 20:47:04] <Immi> And obviously, cropping shouldn't be done for the sole purpose of removing the signature
[2021-02-27 20:47:06] <Ayrehead02> Yeah definitely worth codifying
[2021-02-27 20:47:14] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:47:14] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:47:15] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:16] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:17] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:17] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:17] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:18] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:18] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:19] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:20] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:20] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:21] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:23] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:23] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:24] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:24] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:25] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:25] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:27] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:47:27] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:47:34] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:47:42] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:47:42] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:47:42] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 21
[2021-02-27 20:47:48] <Toprawa> Motion passes 21-0
[2021-02-27 20:47:56] <Toprawa> I'm next in the list
[2021-02-27 20:48:01] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:48:05] <Toprawa> I planned to not propose this one, actually
[2021-02-27 20:48:10] <Toprawa> I'm vacating this proposal
[2021-02-27 20:48:14] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v Erebus_Chronus
[2021-02-27 20:48:16] <Toprawa> But I do have one I meant to include with the User page policy
[2021-02-27 20:48:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> oop
[2021-02-27 20:48:25] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v Erebus_Chronus
[2021-02-27 20:49:15] <Toprawa> The new User page policy now has a clause about redirecting user pages to talk pages and that talk pages should never be redirected to user pages
[2021-02-27 20:49:29] <Toprawa> I included this because we've actually had instances where people redirected their talk page to their user page
[2021-02-27 20:49:36] <Toprawa> This should never be done, because then we can't communicate with you
[2021-02-27 20:49:45] <Toprawa> So this should listed on the Talk page policy
[2021-02-27 20:49:48] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Talk_page_policy
[2021-02-27 20:49:50] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Talk page policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:50:05] <Toprawa> New item 9 on that page will be: "Users may not redirect their talk page to any other page, including their user page."
[2021-02-27 20:50:07] <Toprawa> Floor open
[2021-02-27 20:50:09] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:50:13] <Ayrehead02> Support
[2021-02-27 20:50:15] <Immi> Oh yeah! Good catch
[2021-02-27 20:50:16] <Zed42> Simple
[2021-02-27 20:50:19] <Erebus_Chronus> Yes
[2021-02-27 20:50:29] <AV-6R7> Makes perfect sense.
[2021-02-27 20:50:30] <Tommy-Macaroni> Presumably, bots are exempt from this?
[2021-02-27 20:50:31] <Bensc01t> Easy support
[2021-02-27 20:50:32] <MasterFred> There is zero reason to redirect a talk page
[2021-02-27 20:50:33] <Immi> If you state it in the user page policy, you gotta state it in the talk page policy, too. Good
[2021-02-27 20:50:47] <Darth_Culator> I'm surprised that loophole hasn't been exploited more.
[2021-02-27 20:50:59] <Immi> Close the loopholes! CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES!
[2021-02-27 20:51:02] <Toprawa> Ok, simple and straightforward enough. In the interest of time, let's vote
[2021-02-27 20:51:03] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 20:51:03] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 20:51:05] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:05] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:05] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:06] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:06] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:06] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:07] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:07] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:07] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:07] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:07] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:08] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:08] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:08] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:09] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:09] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:10] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:10] <GreenTentacle> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:10] <PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:10] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:11] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:11] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:11] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:12] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:13] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:14] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:14] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:18] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:18] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:20] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:20] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:26] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:26] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:51:40] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:51:40] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:52:02] <Toprawa> Tommy has raised the point to me private that this should not apply to bot talk pages
[2021-02-27 20:52:09] <Toprawa> Which obviously should be redirected to their main user page's talk page
[2021-02-27 20:52:12] <Toprawa> We can add a note for this too
[2021-02-27 20:52:22] <Toprawa> So if you need to oppose for this for some reason, you can change your vote now :P
[2021-02-27 20:52:35] <Immi> There goes all those conversations with bots on their talk pages
[2021-02-27 20:52:39] <Erebus_Chronus> None
[2021-02-27 20:52:50] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 20:52:57] <Winterz> ~support
[2021-02-27 20:52:57] <PurpleTentacle> Winterz: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 20:53:06] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 20:53:06] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 20:53:06] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 22
[2021-02-27 20:53:10] <Toprawa> Motion passes 22-0
[2021-02-27 20:53:13] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v Erebus_Chronus
[2021-02-27 20:53:13] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:53:16] <Toprawa> Erebus, go!
[2021-02-27 20:53:22] <Erebus_Chronus> Thank you, Tope!
[2021-02-27 20:53:43] <Erebus_Chronus> Now, my topic has to do with the usage of the "Owners" fields of both the Armor and Device infoboxes
[2021-02-27 20:54:34] <Erebus_Chronus> So, while there doesn't seem to be as much discrepancy as there was with the Weapons infobox, which was dealt with in a former CT years ago, I feel we should follow in the same direction as this for these two
[2021-02-27 20:55:10] <Erebus_Chronus> As such, we should only list owners of unique armor and unique devices, an example being https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett's_armor
[2021-02-27 20:55:11] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Boba Fett's armor | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:55:29] <Erebus_Chronus> Which would list both Jango and Boba, and Cobb Vanth
[2021-02-27 20:56:29] <Erebus_Chronus> However, if we weren't to follow this, pages like https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_trooper_armor would list virtually every clone trooper and therefore get unnecessarily long and make the page look ugly
[2021-02-27 20:56:30] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Clone trooper armor | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:57:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Done, Erebus?
[2021-02-27 20:57:44] <Erebus_Chronus> With that being said, my proposal is to add this to the https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Infobox "Owners fields in armor and device infoboxes should only be used if the subject is a singular object (I.E. Boba Fett's armor) and not a type of armor or device (I.E. clone trooper armor)"
[2021-02-27 20:57:45] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:57:52] <Erebus_Chronus> Open the floor
[2021-02-27 20:57:55] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v Erebus_Chronus
[2021-02-27 20:57:55] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 20:57:58] <Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry :P
[2021-02-27 20:58:45] <Toprawa> Instead of "singular" object, can we say "unique" object?
[2021-02-27 20:58:52] <Erebus_Chronus> Yeah, that's fine
[2021-02-27 20:58:54] <Omicron> I agree better wording
[2021-02-27 20:58:56] <MasterFred> This seems reasonable to me.
[2021-02-27 20:58:56] <Toprawa> Boba Fett's armor is "unique," I think
[2021-02-27 20:59:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> Makes sense to me
[2021-02-27 20:59:03] <MasterFred> Yeah, "unique" is a better word.
[2021-02-27 20:59:03] <OOM-224-> and I.E. should be decapitalised
[2021-02-27 20:59:11] <MasterFred> Defer to Tope's legalese always. :D
[2021-02-27 20:59:15] <Erebus_Chronus> Yeah, I understand that :P
[2021-02-27 20:59:16] <Ayrehead02> With those tweaks it sounds good
[2021-02-27 20:59:22] <RattsT> Is the original weapons ruling listed in the LG?
[2021-02-27 20:59:28] <Toprawa> yeah, per OOM. I always plan on making minor fixes like "i.e." in the final version, just FYI
[2021-02-27 20:59:32] <Imperators> I don't even see that for the weapons in the Layout Guide
[2021-02-27 20:59:50] <Erebus_Chronus> For some reason, it was not added, but here it is https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:CT:%22Owners%22_field_of_the_Weapon_infobox
[2021-02-27 20:59:50] <Toprawa> It doesn't, and it kind of doesn't need to necessarily
[2021-02-27 20:59:50] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Forum:CT:"Owners" field of the Weapon infobox | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 20:59:52] <Toprawa> But it can be
[2021-02-27 20:59:59] <Immi> This seems like it would go on the template page for the infobox, if the weapons equivalent isn't noted on the LG
[2021-02-27 21:00:08] <Toprawa> We can list it along with this one now
[2021-02-27 21:00:10] <Toprawa> Ok, proposal is clear
[2021-02-27 21:00:12] <Toprawa> Let's vote
[2021-02-27 21:00:12] <Immi> But putting both on the LG would make them more prominent, which is good
[2021-02-27 21:00:22] <Toprawa> Layout Guide addition for infobox usage
[2021-02-27 21:00:24] <Toprawa> ~Open
[2021-02-27 21:00:24] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 21:00:25] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:25] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:26] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:27] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:28] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:28] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:28] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:28] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:29] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:29] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:29] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:29] <Shayanomer> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:29] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:30] <PurpleTentacle> Shayanomer: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:30] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:32] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:32] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:36] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:36] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:38] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:38] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:39] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:39] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:48] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:00:48] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:00:51] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 21:01:05] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 21:01:05] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 21:01:05] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 20
[2021-02-27 21:01:09] * Tommy-Macaroni set +v NanoLuuke
[2021-02-27 21:01:09] * Channel mode set to +m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 21:01:12] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 20-0
[2021-02-27 21:01:17] <Toprawa> For our final item of the Mofference, NanoLuuke
[2021-02-27 21:01:19] <NanoLuuke> Thank you, your honor.
[2021-02-27 21:01:27] <NanoLuuke> My fellow Wookieepedians, this proposition follows on an item presented by Toprawa before this august assembly during the last Mofference.
[2021-02-27 21:01:33] <NanoLuuke> I’m referring to the update of W:LG and W:LG/OOU which forbid the use of members fields in species and organization infoboxes.
[2021-02-27 21:01:33] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit A: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide/Out-of-universe#Infobox 
[2021-02-27 21:01:35] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide/Out-of-universe | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:01:43] <NanoLuuke> First, per this policy, the field |keypeople= should be removed from {{OOU_company}}.
[2021-02-27 21:01:44] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit B1: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:OOU_company 
[2021-02-27 21:01:45] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Template:OOU company | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:01:51] <NanoLuuke> Second, on the same rationale set by Toprawa proposition from last Mofference, I would like to propose the removal of credits fields in {{Person}}: |SW=, |voice, and |other=. 
[2021-02-27 21:01:51] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit B2: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Person 
[2021-02-27 21:01:52] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Template:Person | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:02:00] <NanoLuuke> Those fields are often abused, stretching the vertical length of infoboxes.
[2021-02-27 21:02:00] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit C1: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jennifer_Hale
[2021-02-27 21:02:00] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit C2: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nika_Futterman 
[2021-02-27 21:02:00] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit C3: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_Daniels 
[2021-02-27 21:02:01] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Jennifer Hale | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:02:02] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Nika Futterman | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:02:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Anthony Daniels | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:02:09] <NanoLuuke> As discussed with “members” fields, there is no way to find a compromise that is not subjective (even more regarding creative content) and arbitrary.
[2021-02-27 21:02:16] <NanoLuuke> Furthermore, this is redundant to the worklist required per the OOU/LG.
[2021-02-27 21:02:16] <NanoLuuke> Exhibit D: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide/Out-of-universe#Real-world_person_articles 
[2021-02-27 21:02:18] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide/Out-of-universe | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
[2021-02-27 21:02:25] <NanoLuuke> To resume, I am therefore proposing: 
[2021-02-27 21:02:25] <NanoLuuke> Remove |keypeople= from {{OOU_company}} and |SW=, |voice, and |other= from {{Person}}. Sentence to be carried out by Tommy-Macaroni.
[2021-02-27 21:02:33] <NanoLuuke> I rest my case and leave the floor. 
[2021-02-27 21:02:37] * Tommy-Macaroni set -v NanoLuuke
[2021-02-27 21:02:37] * Channel mode set to -m by Tommy-Macaroni
[2021-02-27 21:02:39] <Toprawa> BUT I NEED TO KNOW ALL THE VOICE ACTING CREDITS FOR JENNIFER HALE :P
[2021-02-27 21:02:45] <Immi> Big ol' support on the OOU part. That stuff is covered in the published works and bibliography
[2021-02-27 21:02:47] <Ayrehead02> This sounds sensible
[2021-02-27 21:02:55] <Immi> Having the same role listed THREE TIMES is ridiculous
[2021-02-27 21:03:00] <OOM-224-> Makes sense, full support
[2021-02-27 21:03:06] <Erebus_Chronus> support
[2021-02-27 21:03:10] <Shayanomer> Good work, Nano
[2021-02-27 21:03:16] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ugh, why am I always being sent to prison at meetings
[2021-02-27 21:03:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> But yes, support
[2021-02-27 21:03:20] <Toprawa> Looks good, Nano
[2021-02-27 21:03:21] <MasterFred> Sensible. The entire article doesn't need to be in the infobox.
[2021-02-27 21:03:33] <Bensc01t> I back it
[2021-02-27 21:03:38] <RattsT> per Fred
[2021-02-27 21:03:52] <Toprawa> Ok, some people are being pressed for time and this looks clear, so let's vote
[2021-02-27 21:03:56] <Toprawa> Vote on infobox thing
[2021-02-27 21:03:57] <Toprawa> ~open
[2021-02-27 21:03:57] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open.
[2021-02-27 21:03:58] <OOM-224-> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:03:58] <PurpleTentacle> OOM-224-: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:03:58] <miki> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:03:58] <PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:03:59] <Zed42> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:03:59] <PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:03:59] <RattsT> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:00] <PurpleTentacle> RattsT: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:00] <Omicron> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:00] <PurpleTentacle> Omicron: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:00] <PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:01] <Ayrehead02> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:01] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:02] <Toprawa> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:02] <Imperators> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:02] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:02] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:04] <Erebus_Chronus> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:04] <PurpleTentacle> Erebus_Chronus: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:05] <NanoLuuke> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:05] <PurpleTentacle> NanoLuuke: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:05] <Cwedin> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:05] <PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:06] <CorellianPremier> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <Immi> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <PurpleTentacle> Immi: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <Darth_Culator> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:07] <Bensc01t> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:08] <PurpleTentacle> Bensc01t: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:08] <AV-6R7> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:08] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:19] <Toprawa> Closing vote soon
[2021-02-27 21:04:23] <MasterFred> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:24] <PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:31] <DarthRuiz30> ~support
[2021-02-27 21:04:32] <PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
[2021-02-27 21:04:32] <Toprawa> ~close
[2021-02-27 21:04:32] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed.
[2021-02-27 21:04:32] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 19
[2021-02-27 21:04:40] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 19-0
[2021-02-27 21:04:44] <Toprawa> That's it!
[2021-02-27 21:04:47] <Toprawa> Mofference is over!
[2021-02-27 21:04:50] <Toprawa> Thanks to everyone for coming!