20:00:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Right then, let's get this show on the road
20:00:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> If you weren’t aware, I’m hosting tonight, so before we begin I wanted to go over ground rules for tonight
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20:01:00<@Tommy-Macaroni> Basically, for people new to the mofference, it runs like a series of real-time CTs. As host, I will introduce each item on the agenda list and the person whose proposal it is will then present it. During this time, regular users will be muted, and admins are asked not be comment anything. Once the presentation is done, I will open the floor for a discussion.
20:01:16<@Tommy-Macaroni> It’s a good idea to have the mofference page open tbh, just to know where we are - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Mofferences
20:01:17<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Mofferences | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:01:23<@Tommy-Macaroni> Then, when I think the discussion has drawn to its natural conclusion, I will open the vote. We do this via bot, (GT’s PurpleTentacle)
20:01:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> It works like this:
20:01:31<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:01:31<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:01:36<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
20:01:36<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
20:01:40<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:01:40<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:01:40<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 1
20:01:44<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally
20:01:44<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 1
20:02:03<@Tommy-Macaroni> Damn, that sent in the wrong order lol
20:02:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> Wait no
20:02:13<@Tommy-Macaroni> Nm, ignore me :P
20:02:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> You can either vote support or oppose:
20:02:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
20:02:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~oppose
20:02:22<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: There is no open vote on this channel.
20:02:22<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: There is no open vote on this channel.
20:02:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> You need to send those exact messages, or your vote won’t be counted. Also, there is no neural option. Just abstain if that applies to you.
20:02:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Now, some important stuff about the discussions. KEEP DISCUSSIONS ON TOPIC. These are always long meetings and we don’t want to be here longer than we have to, especially if you’ve been unlucky in the timezone roulette. If I think the discussion is heading in that direction, I will warn you, and if you continue, I will kick or even temporarily ban you from the channel.
20:02:58<@Tommy-Macaroni> Don’t think I wouldn’t :P
20:03:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> But hopefully it won’t come to that.
20:03:07<@Tommy-Macaroni> So the motto is, STAY ON <s>TARGET</s> TOPIC. If something isn’t relevant, don’t say it.
20:03:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> Chatter and general mucking around with roulettes and randoms can be directed to #wookieepedia-social
20:03:21<@Tommy-Macaroni> I also want to ask people to be respectful of other people’s views this meeting, let’s keep it nice and respectful guys. WP:CIVIL still applies
20:03:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> If anyone has any specific questions about proceedings, please PM me or any other admin
20:03:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> That being said, I think we’re ready to rock and roll, unless any other admins have anything to say?
20:03:47<@Tommy-Macaroni> I'll take that as a no :P
20:03:49<@Toprawa> You noted just already, but just reminding admins that you need to stay silent while the presenter is presenting, since we can't mute you
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20:03:54<@Toprawa> noted this already*
20:04:00<@Toprawa> Floyd shows up anyways :P
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20:04:01<@Toprawa> Wecome :P
20:04:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> Hai
20:04:15<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, let's go
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20:04:26<@Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent. Then, welcome, one and all, to our 31st Mofference.
20:04:31<@Tommy-Macaroni> Jumping straight into it, the lovely Imperators II has our first topic: "Placement of {{Imagecat}} within articles". The floor is yours
20:04:42<@Imperators> hello hi
20:04:53<@Imperators> Let's see.
20:05:22<@Imperators> I have a proposal for an amendment to the Layout Guide, and note this only applies to in-universe articles. OOU articles will be tackled at a later point.
20:05:32<@Imperators> Here is my proposed addition: https://ecks.fandom.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II
20:05:33<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Imperators II | Ecks Wiki | Fandom (at ecks.fandom.com)
20:06:18<@Imperators> basically, it says {{Imagecat}} is mandatory if 2+ images are available + says that the template should be located as high up in the article as possible, after the BTS
20:07:15<@Imperators> this would go as the last bullet point under here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Appearances
20:07:17<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:07:21<@Imperators> that's it from me, thanks.
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20:07:35<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, floor is open to discussion
20:07:46<Cwedin> What would qualify as "interference?" Is that referring to the Oasis presentation only?
20:07:54<@Toprawa> May I just recommend a minor wording change to "In the instance two or more images on Wookieepedia depict the article's subject..."? I think this just reads a little better.
20:08:12<@Imperators> Cwedin, almost everything nowadays refers to Oasis skin presentation, as it's the default skin.
20:08:24<spookly> I've seen a few cases where, in oasis, Imagecat would cause the header beneath it to cut off awkwardly
20:08:26<@Imperators> sure, Tope
20:08:29<@Toprawa> Cool
20:08:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> Looks good to me. Nice to have this in writing
20:08:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> It's what we do anyway
20:08:40<@Toprawa> Cwedin> Yeah, I think he's just saying make sure it looks pretty in Oasis skin
20:08:41<@AnilSerifoglu> ^
20:08:50<@Culator> Pretty much what we do anyway.
20:08:55<@Ayrehead02> Yeah this is already a standard objection on the review boards, makes sense to have it in writing somewhere
20:09:10<@Imperators> actually, extremely per Culator. I forgot to mention that this is heavily based in precedent.
20:09:30<IFYLOFD> Yeah, we've done it this way for as long as I can remember
20:09:33<spookly> Would the same placement also apply to Audiocat?
20:09:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> That's actually a good point
20:09:48<@Culator> Good to standardize it for status articles.
20:09:54<@Culator> Ooh, good question.
20:09:58<Shayanomer> I was gonna bring up Imagecat and Soundcat together
20:10:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> Maybe mention audiocat should go in the section beneath?
20:10:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> That's the president
20:10:16<@Toprawa> No, Tommy is the president :P
20:10:21<@Tommy-Macaroni> *precedent
20:10:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Shush :P
20:10:46<@Imperators> good question, and there is also the template for quotes
20:10:56<@Imperators> i.e., quote categories or whathaveyou
20:11:47<@Imperators> OK, let's just tackle Imagecat at this point.
20:11:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Good
20:12:13<@Tommy-Macaroni> Right, we all seem to be in agreement then
20:12:19<@Culator> THen amend it for audio and quotes later. Yes.
20:12:23<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Layout Guide Imagecat addition
20:12:23<@Toprawa> Agreed
20:12:26<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:12:27<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:12:29<@Toprawa> ~support
20:12:29<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
20:12:29<@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
20:12:29<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
20:12:30<@Imperators> ~support
20:12:31<Zed42> ~support
20:12:31<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
20:12:31<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
20:12:31<miki> ~support
20:12:31<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
20:12:32<@Ayrehead02> ~support
20:12:32<Shayanomer> ~support
20:12:32<@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
20:12:32<Cwedin> ~support
20:12:32<@DarthRuiz30> ~support
20:12:33<@PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
20:12:33<@PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
20:12:33<@Culator> ~support
20:12:33<spookly> ~support
20:12:34<@PurpleTentacle> Culator: Support vote counted.
20:12:34<@exiledjedi> ~support
20:12:34<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
20:12:34<@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted.
20:12:39<IFYLOFD> ~support
20:12:39<@PurpleTentacle> IFYLOFD: Support vote counted.
20:12:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
20:12:40<Fan26> ~aupport
20:12:40<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
20:12:42<CorellianPremier> ~support
20:12:43<@PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
20:12:46<Fan26> ~support
20:12:46<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
20:12:52<@GreenTentacle> ~support
20:12:52<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
20:13:01<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5 seconds
20:13:04<Toqgers> ~support
20:13:05<@PurpleTentacle> Toqgers: Support vote counted.
20:13:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:13:09<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:13:09<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 17
20:13:13<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally
20:13:14<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 17
20:13:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for Layout Guide Imagecat addition passes 17-0
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20:13:32<@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up, Imperators again with "Infobox-exclusivity of demonyms". Floor’s yours
20:13:36<@Imperators> oh boy
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20:14:58<@Imperators> long story short, one of my planet CANs forced to me (a bit awkwardly) insert a demonym into the article text just because it was infobox-exclusive. To prevent this requirement from the addition of artificial-sounding sentences into articles, I propose we lift this requirement for demonyms.
20:15:06<@Imperators> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gandeid_IV?diff=prev&oldid=8807581
20:15:07<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Gandeid IV | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:15:44<@Imperators> I propose we add a bullet point here under "All infobox material must be detailed in the article proper, with the following exceptions: " https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Infobox
20:15:46<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:15:59<@Imperators> a bullet point that would say "demonyms", basically
20:16:01<@Imperators> that's all, thanks
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20:16:13<@Tommy-Macaroni> Floor is open
20:16:28<Fan26> Full support, seems pretty awkward to force that into the body
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20:17:02<Shayanomer> I'd say we can use demonyms where possible, i.e. Kendal Ozzel's "Caridan" family, but yeah I'm against forcing it
20:17:05<IFYLOFD> I think there's a few things we could add to that list but that's something for another time
20:17:09<@Imperators> I mean, there are many cases when a demonym is present in an article via mentions of other terms, such as [[Jorallan opal]]s or whathaveyou
20:17:19<@Toprawa> Obviously, we want to try and work it in if possible
20:17:26<@Toprawa> But if we're forcing it, then our article writing suffers
20:17:29<Zed42> Agreed
20:17:33<Fan26> ^
20:17:34<@AnilSerifoglu> Exactly
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20:17:34<IFYLOFD> Yeah, ideally you try to find a place for it but sometimes it doesn't work
20:17:37<@Supreme_Emperor> Agreed
20:17:42<@exiledjedi> Makes sense.
20:17:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> indeed
20:18:04<@Ayrehead02> As long as the intention is to include it if possible, I'm in support of this
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20:18:14<@DarthRuiz30> ^
20:18:21<Fan26> Yeah, per Ayre
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20:18:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, awesome
20:18:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Sounds like we're all in agreement
20:19:16<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for LG addition for demonyms
20:19:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:19:19<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:19:21<miki> ~support
20:19:21<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
20:19:21<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
20:19:21<@Imperators> ~support
20:19:21<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
20:19:21<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
20:19:22<Zed42> ~support
20:19:22<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
20:19:22<@Toprawa> ~support
20:19:22<@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
20:19:23<@GreenTentacle> ~support
20:19:23<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
20:19:23<Shayanomer> ~support
20:19:24<CorellianPremier> ~support
20:19:24<@Ayrehead02> ~support
20:19:24<@PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
20:19:24<Cwedin> ~support
20:19:24<@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
20:19:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
20:19:24<@Supreme_Emperor> ~suppoort
20:19:25<@PurpleTentacle> Cwedin: Support vote counted.
20:19:25<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
20:19:27<@exiledjedi> ~support
20:19:27<@Supreme_Emperor> ~support
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20:19:27<@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
20:19:28<Fan26> ~support
20:19:28<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
20:19:29<Toqgers> ~support
20:19:29<@PurpleTentacle> Toqgers: Support vote counted.
20:19:30<spookly> ~support
20:19:30<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
20:19:37<IFYLOFD> ~support
20:19:37<@PurpleTentacle> IFYLOFD: Support vote counted.
20:19:38<MasterFred> ~support
20:19:38<@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
20:19:40<@DarthRuiz30> ~support
20:19:40<@PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
20:19:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5 seconds
20:20:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:20:06<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:20:06<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 18
20:20:16<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for LG addition for demonyms passes 18-0
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20:20:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, Imperators is finishing up his hat-trick with "Usage of plural pronouns to refer to individuals of unspecified gender". Floor is yours
20:21:59<@Imperators> Simple. Since such usage is grammatically incorrect, let's add another section here entitled "Plural pronouns" that says "Do not use plural pronouns "they," "them," or "their" to refer to individuals of unspecified gender." https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Manual_of_Style#Italics_and_miscellaneous_grammar
20:22:00<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Manual of Style | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:22:39<@Imperators> ample precedent has proved that it's actually possible to word article text to avoid the usage of these pronouns.
20:22:41<@Imperators> That's all.
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20:23:00<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, floor's open
20:23:00<@Toprawa> This is basically what we do anyways, at least once articles reach the nomination stage. We're pretty crafty at writing around mentions of specific pronouns.
20:23:08<@Imperators> ^
20:23:12<Zed42> This is basically precedent already, it'd be good to codify it
20:23:14<spookly> Per precedent, agreed
20:23:16<IFYLOFD> Another thing where we're codifying something that we've always done
20:23:19<Fan26> Yeah
20:23:21<Shayanomer> It all depends on your writing skills in the end
20:23:23<Toqgers> i wouldn't phrase it as grammatically incorrect
20:23:24<@Supreme_Emperor> Sounds good, clarifying what we already do
20:23:30<MasterFred> I've never liked the usage of these pronouns.
20:23:32<Toqgers> rather riskying a lack of clarty
20:23:33<@Ayrehead02> Aslong as this doesn't effect gender neutral characters that specifically are meant to use they/them
20:23:42<Fan26> ^
20:23:42<@Tommy-Macaroni> ^
20:23:49<@Ayrehead02> I'd assume that counts as specification of gender
20:23:54<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes this is good for unidentifieds
20:23:56<Fan26> it should
20:24:01<Zed42> Their gender isn't unspecified, so it should be fine, right
20:24:03<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes
20:24:07<IFYLOFD> But it's interesting because while it may be technically grammatically correct, it's commonplace to use "they/them" when referring to people whose gender isn't known in real life
20:24:19<IFYLOFD> *incorrect
20:24:30<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, sounds like we're all in agreement
20:24:39<@Toprawa> Wait a moment
20:24:45<@Imperators> yeah, but we strive to be grammatically correct on Wookieepedia.
20:24:47<MasterFred> I think we should go with what is grammatically correct instead of using colloquialisms.
20:24:48<@Toprawa> Does Imperators want to respond to any of this?
20:24:53<@Toprawa> I agree with Fred
20:24:56<Toqgers> i dont know that i would codify not using such pronouns but that plural/singular they together risks being unclear
20:25:02<@Toprawa> I believe the purpose of this proposal was to apply this to any case where gender isn't specified
20:25:17<@Toprawa> Our goal is to maintain the standards of encyclopedic writing, not to cater to what is "socially correct"
20:25:23<@Culator> ^^
20:25:26<@Ayrehead02> This is specifically relevant to https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Taka_Jamoreesa
20:25:27<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Taka Jamoreesa | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:25:29<MasterFred> If gender is specified as neutral, than it isn't unspecified.
20:25:44<Fan26> ^
20:25:48<@DarthRuiz30> ^
20:25:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, this has nothing to do with any transgender situations or such
20:25:57<Toqgers> there's 4 such characters, if you count eleodie maracavanya who has several options
20:26:01<@Imperators> per Fred, this isn't referring to non-traditional genders, this is referring to unspecified genders.
20:26:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> Just unidentified genders
20:26:24<Toqgers> as long as we make sure to explicitly state it doesnt apply to those characters
20:26:27<@DarthRuiz30> okay, then it sounds good to me
20:26:49<@Tommy-Macaroni> I don't think we need to outright state their exceptions
20:27:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> It's clear as they don't have an unspecified gender
20:27:07<@Toprawa> Do the sources for these four individuals use pronouns?
20:27:12<@DarthRuiz30> yeah, as long they're meant to be gender neutral then it doesn't apply to them
20:27:15<@Toprawa> The only exception to real-world standards is what a source does
20:27:16<Toqgers> not the characters specifically
20:27:38<@Ayrehead02> For Taka the source specifically always uses they/them as the singular pronouns
20:27:42<Zed42> As long as it explicitly states it applies to only unspecified genders, then any character specified to use neutral pronouns would not apply
20:27:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> ^
20:27:59<IFYLOFD> Yeah, I'd agree with that
20:28:06<@Supreme_Emperor> Sounds good
20:28:10<@Ayrehead02> Although it doesn't even superficially call Taka gender neutral
20:28:19<IFYLOFD> Welp, I'm out
20:28:21<IFYLOFD> Later guys
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20:28:26<Toqgers> that works
20:28:36<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay cool
20:28:38<@Ayrehead02> *ever
20:29:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> I think we're ready to start the vote then, unless anyone else has anything to add?
20:29:14<MasterFred> Ayrehead: If we count "him" and"her" as confirmation of gender, "they" should count just as well.
20:29:21<@DarthRuiz30> ^
20:29:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> Indeed
20:29:24<Fan26> Yeah
20:29:25<@Toprawa> I have a question for Imperators
20:29:30<@Imperators> yes
20:29:30<@Ayrehead02> Cool, that's fine, just wanted to make certain
20:29:31<Toqgers> basically. djo's intent was clear
20:29:33<@Toprawa> Can you re-post exactly what your proposal says?
20:29:52<@Imperators> "Do not use plural pronouns "they," "them," or "their" to refer to individuals of unspecified gender."
20:29:52<@Toprawa> I'd like to be reminded on the exact language of what we're voting on
20:30:01<@Toprawa> Ok, thank you
20:30:08<Toqgers> could we leave out the word plural?
20:30:16<@Toprawa> Those are plural pronouns
20:30:20<@Toprawa> Grammatically speaking
20:30:31<Toqgers> they can be both
20:30:37<@Toprawa> Not grammatically
20:30:44<@Ayrehead02> Toqgers, in the scenarios we're removing them they are plural
20:30:57<@Tommy-Macaroni> Let's keep it on topic guys
20:31:17<MasterFred> The wording is clear and won't be abused.
20:31:20<MasterFred> I think we're fine.
20:31:21<@Tommy-Macaroni> Let's go, vote for MoS addition with Plural pronouns
20:31:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:31:26<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:31:27<@Imperators> ~support
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20:31:28<MasterFred> ~support
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20:32:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
20:32:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:32:25<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:32:25<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 17
20:32:38<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for MoS addition with Plural pronouns passes 17-0
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20:32:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> Our fourth discussion point is from Tope: "Categorization of social userpage templates". All yours
20:32:59<@Toprawa> Thank you
20:33:14<@Toprawa> My proposal centers on Wookieepedia no longer being a social media club
20:33:51<@Toprawa> From Wookieepedia's earliest days, it was common practice to group users by social categories, as determined by what infoboxes appeared on their userpages
20:33:56<@Toprawa> You should all have seen these at some point
20:34:02<@Toprawa> Like "Category:Users who support the CIS"
20:34:25<@Toprawa> "Category:Wookieepedians by Zodiac sign"
20:34:26<@Toprawa> Etc
20:34:32<@Toprawa> We're not social media
20:34:37<@Toprawa> And these categories are unnecessary
20:34:50<@Toprawa> People can use whatever userboxes they want on their userpages, but the categories need to go
20:35:12<@Toprawa> So I am proposing we remove the auto-categorization of these templates and delete the categories
20:35:17<@Toprawa> These are what would be removed specifically:
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20:35:39<@Toprawa> It's kind of a lot, so bear withme
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20:35:48<@Toprawa> Everything in here https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wookieepedians_by_interest
20:35:49<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Category:Wookieepedians by interest | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:36:16<@Toprawa> And the following items from here https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wookieepedians:
20:36:23<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians who attended Celebration IV, V
20:36:23<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians who are happy to resolve disputes
20:36:23<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians by edits
20:36:23<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians of Note
20:36:23<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians by article philosophy
20:36:24<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians who are recent changes patrollers
20:36:26<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians by sex
20:36:30<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians who are status article reviewers
20:36:32<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians by time zone
20:36:34<@Toprawa> Wookieepedians by Zodiac sign
20:36:48<@Toprawa> To clarify, the auto-categorization would be removed from these templates, and the empty categories would be deleted
20:36:54<@Toprawa> Thank you. Floor is open.
20:37:01<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tope
20:37:02* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
20:37:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> Floor is open
20:37:06<@Supreme_Emperor> Yes. Kill with fire
20:37:13<@Tommy-Macaroni> FULL SUPPORT X 1000000
20:37:16<MasterFred> Pointless. Kill them.
20:37:17<@Imperators> I'd say the time zone can be useful, no?
20:37:21<@Supreme_Emperor> This is a relic from the early days
20:37:23<@Imperators> *time zone one
20:37:38<@Toprawa> I think it's trivial
20:37:53<@Toprawa> And possibly even a violation of Wookieepedia's privacy policy
20:37:54<@Ayrehead02> Yeah 100% support
20:38:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> If someone really wants to know, they can always whatlinkshere the template usage
20:38:04<spookly> Agreed, seem unnecessary
20:38:14<Cwedin> ^^
20:38:22<Fan26> Surprised this is only just now being killed
20:38:40<@Culator> Inertia is a powerful thing.
20:38:49<@Imperators> FWIW, whatlinkshere to the template would not work in this case, Tommy
20:38:51<Toqgers> if anything is actually essential info about you just put it on the userpage itself :)
20:38:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Ah, damn
20:39:00<Toqgers> which if its in the infobox it already is...
20:39:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, we all seem in agreement then
20:39:28<@Imperators> but whatever
20:39:30<@Toprawa> Welcome, Winterz, btw
20:39:30<@Imperators> ~nuke'em
20:39:33<WookieeWinterz> ~support
20:39:33<@PurpleTentacle> WookieeWinterz: There is no open vote on this channel.
20:39:38<@Tommy-Macaroni> No, hang on
20:39:42<@exiledjedi> Yeah, we should definitely be rid of these.
20:40:02<@Supreme_Emperor> That's the spirit Winterz :P
20:40:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for removing categorization of social userpage templates
20:40:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:40:14<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:40:14<@Imperators> ~support
20:40:15<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
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20:40:15<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
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20:41:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
20:41:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:41:10<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:41:10<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 19
20:41:16<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for removing categorization of social userpage templates passes 19-0
20:41:20* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
20:41:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope has the floor again nor for "Naming policy revisions." Enjoy
20:41:26<@Toprawa> Thank you.
20:41:28<@Tommy-Macaroni> *for
20:41:43<@Toprawa> For my next trick, I am proposing two amendments to the Naming policy. These will take place in two separate votes.
20:42:01<@Toprawa> The first concerns parenthetical descriptors for IU articles
20:42:20<@Toprawa> My proposal can be found here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
20:42:21<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:42:25<@Toprawa> The whole page isn't the proposal
20:42:36<@Toprawa> But it shows you how the Naming policy will be re-sectioned
20:42:48<@Toprawa> Please compare to here as you need to https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Naming_policy
20:42:49<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Naming policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:43:08<@Toprawa> The new subsection "In-universe vs. in-universe" will be introduced
20:43:23<@Toprawa> That is what is specifically changing
20:43:39<@Toprawa> We've never codified the need for parenthetical descriptors to be in-universe
20:43:44<@Toprawa> Though that's always been our precedent
20:44:19<@Toprawa> And the exception to this is the The Star Wars thing, which was effectively codified here:
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20:44:24<@Toprawa> Sorry, my URL is breaking
20:44:25<@Toprawa> One moment
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20:44:47<@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:CT_Archive/How_should_we_treat_characters_from_%22The_Star_Wars%22%3F
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20:44:48<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Forum:CT:How should we treat characters from "The Star Wars"? | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:45:01<@Toprawa> That's it for the first part of this proposal.
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20:45:20<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tope
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20:45:26<@AnilSerifoglu> Looks pretty solid
20:45:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Floor is open
20:45:34<Toqgers> easy
20:45:37<WookieeWinterz> sounds logical
20:45:41<@Supreme_Emperor> Yep, sounds good
20:45:42<@Imperators> in-universe parenthetical descriptors FTW
20:45:44<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yup, looks good
20:45:47<@Ayrehead02> Yeah this is another one that we already do so it's just formalizing it
20:45:57<Fan26> Yeah, this is good
20:45:58<@DarthRuiz30> all good
20:45:59<spookly> Agreed
20:46:23<MasterFred> Just giving us a rule to point to when someone decides to do the opposite.
20:46:27<@Toprawa> per Fred
20:46:28<@Culator> Once again, something that could and should have been done years ago. :P
20:46:33<@Imperators> per ferd
20:46:38<Shayanomer> No reason to object here
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20:46:42<Zed42> I'm surprised that in-universe descriptors weren't an official thing before
20:46:52<@Toprawa> Yeah, we overlooked it when we were writing the Disambiguation section
20:46:58<Shayanomer> I was told before that this was a thing
20:47:09<@Toprawa> It's always been our unquestioned precedent
20:47:11<Zed42> so codifying it is a good idea
20:47:12<@Toprawa> I guess that's why we forgot about it
20:47:14<Toqgers> basically alraedy is in practice heh
20:47:14<@Toprawa> It's just so basic
20:47:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> We all seem to like this then
20:47:28<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Naming policy amendment 1: Adding "In-universe vs. in-universe" section
20:47:28<Shayanomer> Good for newer editors to see
20:47:32<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:47:32<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:47:33<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
20:47:34<Zed42> ~support
20:47:34<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
20:47:34<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
20:47:35<@Toprawa> ~support
20:47:35<@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
20:47:35<@GreenTentacle> ~support
20:47:35<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
20:47:35<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
20:47:35<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
20:47:35<@Ayrehead02> ~support
20:47:36<miki> ~support
20:47:36<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
20:47:36<@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
20:47:36<Shayanomer> ~support
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20:47:38<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
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20:47:40<@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
20:47:40<@PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
20:47:44<MasterFred> ~support
20:47:44<@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
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20:47:46<@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted.
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20:47:52<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
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20:47:57<Fan26> ~support
20:47:58<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
20:48:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
20:48:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:48:14<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:48:14<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 19
20:48:21<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for Naming policy amendment 1: Adding "In-universe vs. in-universe" section passes 19-0
20:48:33* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
20:48:42<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay Tope: part 2 is yours
20:48:49<@Toprawa> For Zev Senesca's next trick, I propose a minor rewrite/expansion of the Naming policy for real-world people
20:48:59<@Toprawa> My proposal can be found here, once again https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
20:49:00<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:49:11<@Toprawa> Please compare to https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3ANaming_policy#Real-world_people
20:49:13<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Naming policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:49:16<@Toprawa> Nothing is fundamentally changing here
20:49:32<@Toprawa> Just cleaning up some of the writing and examples and clarifying little things we do anyways, like correcting misspellings
20:49:36<@Toprawa> That's it, Tommy
20:49:42<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, floor is open
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20:50:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> Looks good to me
20:50:06<@Toprawa> Anything that's a redirect or redlink can be fixed
20:50:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah
20:50:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> Good work
20:50:21<@AnilSerifoglu> ^
20:50:34<spookly> Looks nice
20:50:42<CorellianPremier> All good
20:50:42<Shayanomer> No questions here
20:50:49<@Supreme_Emperor> Cleanup is always good
20:51:05<WookieeWinterz> dew it
20:51:09<@Toprawa> The JJ Abrams example is interesting, FWIW
20:51:13<@Imperators> ^
20:51:16<@Toprawa> He seems to always have his named presented without the space
20:51:17<@Toprawa> shrug
20:51:37<@Tommy-Macaroni> Each to their own
20:51:46<@Toprawa> Let's dew it
20:51:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Naming policy amendment 2: rewrite for Naming policy for real-world people
20:52:00<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:52:00<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:52:01<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
20:52:02<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
20:52:02<@Supreme_Emperor> ~support
20:52:02<@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
20:52:02<@Imperators> ~support
20:52:02<spookly> ~support
20:52:03<@Culator> ~support
20:52:03<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
20:52:03<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
20:52:03<@PurpleTentacle> Culator: Support vote counted.
20:52:03<@Toprawa> ~support
20:52:03<miki> ~support
20:52:03<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
20:52:03<@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
20:52:03<Zed42> ~support
20:52:04<MasterFred> ~support
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20:52:04<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
20:52:04<@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
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20:52:05<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
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20:52:19<@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted.
20:52:35<@Tommy-Macaroni> 5 more seconds
20:52:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:52:46<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:52:46<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 19
20:52:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for Naming policy amendment 2: rewrite for Naming policy for real-world people passes 19-0
20:52:59* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
20:53:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay y’all, "Rollback rules." Is up next from Tope. Sounds spicy
20:53:08<@Toprawa> Thank you
20:53:22<@Toprawa> I am proposing a rewrite of the Rollback page.
20:53:33<@Toprawa> This proposal will introduce a few new rules that will be considered site policy
20:53:47<@Toprawa> One of them is already on the page -- the activity requirement for users to maintain Rollback
20:53:55<@Toprawa> I am proposing a few additions to this policy section
20:54:16<@Toprawa> Zev Senesca has never steered us wrong
20:54:26<@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
20:54:28<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:54:46<@Toprawa> Please refer to current WP:R page https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/WP:R
20:54:47<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Rollback | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:55:01<@Toprawa> Ok, Tommy
20:55:10* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
20:55:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks, floor is open
20:55:19<Zed42> Looks good to me
20:55:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> I've already looked over this, solid work
20:55:29<Cwedin2> Makes sense
20:55:31<spookly> Much cleaner
20:55:38<Zed42> ^
20:55:46<@Toprawa> Just to reiterate what the proposal says, this means that Rollbackers need to report the vandalism they revert
20:55:52<@Toprawa> You should never just be reverting and not doing anything about it
20:55:57<@Toprawa> The administration needs to know what's going on
20:56:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> ^
20:56:07<@DarthRuiz30> ^
20:56:09<@Ayrehead02> No complaints here
20:56:10<@Supreme_Emperor> Nicely worded
20:56:18<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, let's go then
20:56:23<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for rewrite of the Rollback page
20:56:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
20:56:25<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
20:56:27<@Supreme_Emperor> ~support
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20:56:29<MasterFred> Yes, please communicate, people. haha
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20:56:57<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
20:57:01<Fan26> ~support
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20:57:06<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
20:57:07<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
20:57:07<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 18
20:57:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for rewrite of the Rollback page passes 18-0
20:57:17* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
20:57:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> Right then, we’re getting a Spookly discussion now: "Usage of introductions on articles dependent on their length". Floor’s all yours
20:57:28* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -v spookly]
20:57:33* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +v spookly]
20:57:42<+spookly> Thanks
20:58:13<+spookly> I’m proposing the addition of the rule already used within the CAN and GAN pages; that an article should not provide an introduction and thus be sectioned if the article body, not counting the "Behind the scenes" section or any other content (infobox, captions, quotes, etc.) is under 165 words. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Spookywilloww/Draft
20:58:15<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Spookywilloww/Draft | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
20:58:28<+spookly> This would apply to the Out-of-universe Layout Guide, as well
20:58:37<+spookly> That should be it^^
20:58:50* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
20:58:54* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -v spookly]
20:58:58<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks, floor is open
20:59:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> So this would be going in the OOU LG?
20:59:29<MasterFred> This is the way we've decided to do things in the review boards.
20:59:30<@Toprawa> Yeah, I really like this 165-word rule
20:59:44<@Tommy-Macaroni> ^
20:59:44<@Toprawa> It's been a few months or whatever since we introduced it on the nom pages, and it's working very well
20:59:57<Fan26> Seems good to introduce it site-wide
21:00:00<Zed42> Agreed
21:00:05<WookieeWinterz> solid proposal
21:00:07<@DarthRuiz30> yeah, it sound good
21:00:10<spookly> It would also be going on the OOU LG, yeah
21:00:17<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool
21:00:20<@Supreme_Emperor> I like this
21:00:29<Shayanomer> Yeah, we can't just have editors come in and so whatever they please, they need a guide
21:00:29<@AnilSerifoglu> Full support
21:00:36<Shayanomer> *do whatever
21:00:37<MasterFred> Dividing anything under 165 words just makes the information harder to find.
21:00:40<CorellianPremier> Yes exactly
21:00:45<@Ayrehead02> Yeah looks great
21:00:47<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome
21:00:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for OOU LG addition for sectioning dependant on length
21:00:51<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
21:00:52<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
21:00:53<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
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21:01:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
21:01:30<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
21:01:31<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
21:01:31<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 18
21:01:40<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for OOU LG addition for sectioning dependant on length passes 18-0
21:01:44* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
21:01:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up, Ayreman wants to talk about "Behind the Scenes section dates". Go get em!
21:02:12<@Ayrehead02> Oh that's me!
21:02:33<@Ayrehead02> Alright, this is another case of codifying what we already do
21:03:11<@Ayrehead02> I've written up my proposal here (with some much appreciated help from Tope)
21:03:14<@Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User%3AAyrehead02/Workshop2
21:03:16<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User:Ayrehead02/Workshop2 | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
21:03:46<@Ayrehead02> Essentially, this states when we should use full dates and when we should use just the year
21:04:10<@Ayrehead02> This is all based on precedent from the review boards, where these objections have come up in the past
21:05:19<@Ayrehead02> As stated it would be added to the BTS section of the Layout Guide
21:05:29<@Ayrehead02> I think that's everything
21:05:32* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
21:05:37<@Toprawa> I'm glad this turned out as simplified as it did
21:05:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, thanks, floor is open
21:05:40<@Toprawa> I was afraid it would be messier
21:05:42<Zed42> I agree with codifying this
21:05:44<@Toprawa> MARK Messier
21:05:48<MasterFred> This is very nice.
21:05:49<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, full support
21:05:50<Cwedin2> I really dig that last bit
21:05:50<@Toprawa> That was for Floyd :P
21:06:14<IFYLOFD> These nerds don't understand sports, Tope
21:06:19<@Toprawa> I know :P
21:06:23<@Imperators> what's a sport
21:06:27<IFYLOFD> I'm specifically calling Fred a nerd
21:06:28<@Imperators> nice proposal, Ayre
21:06:31<IFYLOFD> I remember when I would do articles on stuff from, like, KOTOR comics, I would usually do just "month, year"
21:06:41<@Supreme_Emperor> Very nicely written
21:06:44<IFYLOFD> So we're doing "month, day, year" now?
21:06:50<@Toprawa> Yeah
21:06:53<MasterFred> Correct
21:07:02<@Toprawa> This will probably require revising quite a few status-article BTS sections
21:07:03<MasterFred> Also, I'm fine with being a nerd. :P
21:07:07<@Toprawa> But at least we're standardized now
21:07:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, let's go then
21:07:15<@Imperators> minor issue: can we pls spell out "RPG"?
21:07:15<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Layout Guide addition: BTS dates
21:07:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> Oh?
21:07:20<IFYLOFD> Hey, if that's how you've been doing it, go for it
21:07:27<@Toprawa> Just hyphenate it :P
21:07:31<Fan26> ~support
21:07:31<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: There is no open vote on this channel.
21:07:34<Shayanomer> Also some exact dates might need to be sourced
21:07:35<@Imperators> per Fan
21:07:35<@Toprawa> "roleplaying-game"
21:07:46<Shayanomer> If we are going through with this
21:07:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay fine
21:07:47<WookieeWinterz> sport is when you turn down the electric mode in a hybrid porsche ;)
21:07:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Layout Guide addition: BTS dates
21:07:48<@Supreme_Emperor> "rocket propelled grenade"
21:07:48<IFYLOFD> rolepay-inggame
21:07:54<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
21:07:54<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
21:07:57<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
21:07:57<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
21:07:58<spookly> ~support
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21:07:59<@Supreme_Emperor> ~support
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21:08:00<Shayanomer> ~support
21:08:00<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
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21:08:01<IFYLOFD> ~support
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21:08:03<@Toprawa> ~support
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21:08:09<@GreenTentacle> ~support
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21:08:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Closing in 5
21:08:31<Fan26> ~support
21:08:32<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
21:08:33<Toqgers> |the galaxy's]]
21:08:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
21:08:39<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
21:08:39<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 19
21:08:43<Toqgers> whoops had wrong thing copies
21:08:46<IFYLOFD> Half my status articles have been removed because I haven't kept up with all these new rules anyway, so let's add it to the list
21:08:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for Layout Guide addition: BTS dates passes 19-0
21:08:52* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
21:08:54<@Tommy-Macaroni> hush
21:08:54<@Toprawa> That's the spirit, Floyd :P
21:08:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Hahahahahahah. You thought’s Tope’s items were over? Like hell! Now he’s turning to "Blocking policy". Floor is his
21:09:10<@Toprawa> The big, bad Blocking policy
21:09:15<@Toprawa> I'm proposing a complete rewrite of that page
21:09:24<@Toprawa> This is the current version https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3ABlocking_policy
21:09:25<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Blocking policy | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
21:09:30<@Toprawa> I think it's rambling 2007 mess
21:09:43<@Toprawa> I think they literally tried to document every case of acceptable blocking situations, which is silly
21:10:11<@Toprawa> This is my proposal: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Zev_Senesca
21:10:12<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir/Zev Senesca | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
21:10:21<@Toprawa> It simplifies the blocking cases and removes the recommended block length table
21:10:38<@Toprawa> I've been an administrator for 12 years, and I've never known one person to ever follow that thing
21:11:00<@Toprawa> What this does proposal does is simply recommend that warnings be given first and then subsequent blocks increase as length
21:11:15<@Toprawa> I realize there's kind of a lot here, so people can take a few moments to read through this.
21:11:20<@Toprawa> We're doing very well on time anyways
21:11:29<@Toprawa> This is like the quickest Mofference evar
21:11:38<@Toprawa> Ok, Tommy
21:11:41<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tope, opening the floor
21:11:45<@Ayrehead02> Got a cheeky preview of this and I'm definitely in support. Glad to see someone sweeping up the messes of the past :P
21:11:47* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
21:11:49<IFYLOFD> That page was hundo P written by, like, Silly Dan
21:11:55<@Culator> The current policy *IS* a rambling 2007 mess.
21:11:58<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, I've also seen this, very good work
21:12:09<@Supreme_Emperor> ~kill the 2007 mess
21:12:18<@Tommy-Macaroni> And yeah that table was dumb, I tried to stick to that for like the first week of being an admin lol
21:12:19<Shayanomer> Let the past die, kill it if you have to
21:12:21<@Culator> *MOST* of our policies have been rambling messes until they've been cleaned up in fairly recent times.
21:12:24<IFYLOFD> In all my years that I was an admin I never looked at that table once
21:12:27<MasterFred> Yes, simply, make the cases more generalized so they include a broader set of rule breaking.
21:12:31<@AnilSerifoglu> Per Tommy :P
21:12:42<spookly> Agreed
21:12:44<MasterFred> Greater administrative autonomy, which I think is more efficient in this case.
21:12:59<Zed42> Looks good
21:13:11<@DarthRuiz30> Looks pretty good
21:13:14<Toqgers> break rules = block is fairly common sense anyways. people dont need a giant list
21:13:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, this seems like a no brainer
21:13:16<@Toprawa> Oh, something else
21:13:18<CorellianPremier> Should it include the 3R rule?
21:13:20<@Toprawa> I feel like this needs pointing out
21:13:25<@Toprawa> Because it annoys the crap out of me when it happens
21:13:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah?
21:13:35<@Toprawa> This policy forbids VSTF from randomly stumbling in here and blocking people on their own
21:13:41<@Toprawa> We don't need vandalism assistance
21:13:45<@Tommy-Macaroni> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
21:13:49<@Tommy-Macaroni> YES
21:13:54<Fan26> Don't they do it anyway though?
21:13:55<IFYLOFD> That still exists?
21:14:03<Fan26> Think I've seen that happen a few times
21:14:06<@DarthRuiz30> yeah, they've been doing it lately
21:14:06<@Supreme_Emperor> I'm in favour of anything involving outside interference
21:14:13<@Toprawa> They /can/ do it. We can't literally prevent them. But they respect our local policies.
21:14:18<@Toprawa> So once we inform them of this, they will stop
21:14:26<Fan26> Okay, good then
21:14:51<@Toprawa> Sorry, CP
21:15:09<@Toprawa> I mean, I would just fold 3RR and edit-warring under disruption
21:15:14<@Imperators> ^
21:15:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> Indeed
21:15:27<CorellianPremier> Indeed, that makes sense.
21:15:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> Right, let's go then
21:15:33<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for Blocking policy rewrite
21:15:36<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
21:15:36<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
21:15:38<Zed42> ~support
21:15:38<miki> ~support
21:15:38<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
21:15:38<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
21:15:38<@DarthRuiz30> ~support
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21:15:41<@Culator> ~support
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21:15:47<@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
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21:15:48<@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
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21:15:50<spookly> ~support
21:15:50<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
21:15:50<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
21:15:52<@GreenTentacle> ~support
21:15:52<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
21:16:01<Toqgers> ~support
21:16:01<@PurpleTentacle> Toqgers: Support vote counted.
21:16:15<IFYLOFD> ~support
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21:16:19<Fan26> ~support
21:16:19<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
21:16:33<@Tommy-Macaroni> 5 seconds
21:16:47<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
21:16:48<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
21:16:48<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 20
21:16:55<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion for Blocking policy rewrite passes 20-0
21:16:59* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
21:17:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> Our tenth and final agenda item is from *checks notes* blimey, Tope again?! Floor’s yours gangster…
21:17:09<@Toprawa> heh, thank you
21:17:37<@Toprawa> I am proposing the elimination of the See also section from use on Wookieepedia
21:17:42<@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#See_also
21:17:43<@Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Layout Guide | Wookieepedia | Fandom (at starwars.fandom.com)
21:17:52<@Toprawa> This is the most useless section on the Layout Guide
21:18:11<@Toprawa> We rarely ever use it, and when it is employed, it's done for trivial purposes
21:18:22<@Toprawa> The See also section by policy is for things not already linked in the course of the article
21:18:27<@Toprawa> Anything that needs to be linked will be
21:18:34<@Toprawa> We don't need See also
21:18:46<@Toprawa> And Imperators has moved Imagecat out of See also now, to boot, so it's doubly useless
21:18:48<@Toprawa> That's all
21:19:05* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
21:19:08<@GreenTentacle> Hell yes
21:19:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, floor is open
21:19:10<Shayanomer> Yeah, no idea why it's still there
21:19:11<IFYLOFD> Good shit, I've been removing See also sections from articles for years
21:19:14<Zed42> Very much agree
21:19:16<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, full support
21:19:16<@Imperators> harness the power of {{Youmay}}
21:19:21<@Tommy-Macaroni> That is useless
21:19:23<Cwedin2> ^
21:19:23<MasterFred> See also is gross
21:19:26<@Imperators> this would go onto the OOU LG as well, right?
21:19:30<@AnilSerifoglu> Agreed
21:19:36<@Ayrehead02> Yeah definitely, always confused when I see it in an article
21:19:36<spookly> ^
21:19:41<Shayanomer> See also *How to write a better article
21:19:43<@Supreme_Emperor> Tis the kill all 2007 things mofference
21:19:48<@Toprawa> heh per SE
21:19:54<Fan26> XD
21:20:02<@Supreme_Emperor> :P
21:20:11<@Imperators> Tope?
21:20:17<@Toprawa> Sorry, what?
21:20:24<@Imperators> this would go onto the OOU LG as well, right?
21:20:33<@Ayrehead02> Let the past die, kill it if you have to
21:20:40<@Toprawa> Well, we would remove the section from LG and OOU LG, and remove it from all existing article cases
21:20:43<@Toprawa> Nothing is going on any page
21:20:45<@Toprawa> It's coming off :P
21:20:48<@Imperators> yeah, cool
21:20:52<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, let's vote then
21:20:58<@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote for elimination of See also (including those sections on the LG and OOU LG)
21:21:01<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open
21:21:02<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open.
21:21:03<Shayanomer> ~support
21:21:03<MasterFred> ~support
21:21:04<@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted.
21:21:04<miki> ~support
21:21:04<@PurpleTentacle> miki: Support vote counted.
21:21:04<@GreenTentacle> ~support
21:21:04<@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted.
21:21:04<Zed42> ~support
21:21:05<@Toprawa> ~support
21:21:05<@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted.
21:21:05<@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted.
21:21:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support
21:21:05<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted.
21:21:06<@Imperators> ~support
21:21:06<@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted.
21:21:06<@Ayrehead02> ~support
21:21:07<@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted.
21:21:07<spookly> ~support
21:21:08<@PurpleTentacle> spookly: Support vote counted.
21:21:08<Cwedin2> ~support
21:21:08<@DarthRuiz30> ~support
21:21:08<@PurpleTentacle> Cwedin2: Support vote counted.
21:21:08<@PurpleTentacle> DarthRuiz30: Support vote counted.
21:21:10<@Supreme_Emperor> ~support
21:21:10<@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted.
21:21:15<CorellianPremier> ~support
21:21:15<@PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted.
21:21:16<@AnilSerifoglu> ~support
21:21:16<@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted.
21:21:25<Toqgers> ~support
21:21:25<@PurpleTentacle> Toqgers: Support vote counted.
21:21:27<Fan26> ~support
21:21:27<@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted.
21:21:34<@exiledjedi> ~support
21:21:34<@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted.
21:21:41<@Tommy-Macaroni> 5 seconds left
21:21:50<@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close
21:21:50<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed.
21:21:50<@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 17
21:22:02<@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion to eliminate See also (including those sections on the LG and OOU LG) passes 17-0
21:22:08* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia +m]
21:22:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome
21:22:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> That's all for the agenda
21:22:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> Just something to note
21:23:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> In spooky's proposal (sectioning depending on article length), the vote was accidentally just for OOU LG, when it is in fact for both LG and OOU LG
21:23:23<@Tommy-Macaroni> That's fine, we obviously voted for both
21:23:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> Just for the log though, the policy is for both
21:23:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry about that
21:23:42<@Supreme_Emperor> Nice catch Tommy
21:24:06<@Tommy-Macaroni> Now, I'm opening the floor if anyone else has any extra items, or points of discussion while we're all here
21:24:09* Tommy-Macaroni sets modes [#wookieepedia -m]
21:24:40<MasterFred> I feel productive enough. haha
21:24:51<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, I don't recommend having anything else
21:24:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> This is a good time to end
21:25:02<Fan26> ^
21:25:17<@Tommy-Macaroni> Speak now or forever hold your peace, people
21:25:17<@Supreme_Emperor> Thank you for hosting Tommy, nicely done
21:25:24<@Ayrehead02> Nothing from me
21:25:28<Shayanomer> This was certainly interesting
21:25:31<@Toprawa> You did a great job, Tommy. Thanks.
21:25:38<@Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, right, I'm closing this then
21:25:49<@Tommy-Macaroni> Mofference adjourned
21:25:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks all for coming