[5:25 PM] * SCM-22 is recording.
[5:25 PM] <GHe> now logging... :)
[5:25 PM] <SillyDan> uh-oh
[5:25 PM] <Imperialles> Oh my.
[5:25 PM] <SCM-22> /me will not speak again. This notice will not repeat.
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[5:25 PM] <Whopper> :)
[5:25 PM] <C3POtheD> Ha ha
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[5:25 PM] <Whopper> scm-22?
[5:25 PM] <Commander_Jake> Bye-bye SCM!
[5:25 PM] <Nightmare> Does anyone know where you can buy High Quality Stormtrooper costumes?
[5:25 PM] <GHe> and I'll be away for dinner right about now
[5:25 PM] <Whopper> k
[5:25 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare: I wish I knew
[5:25 PM] <GHe> hopefully be back by 23:00 UTC
[5:26 PM] <Nightmare> Darn...
[5:26 PM] <GHe> and don't kick FoxOnFire :P
[5:26 PM] <GHe> it's my logger
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[5:26 PM] <Whopper> how many...oh, i guess i should get some fast food, screen is detached
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[5:26 PM] <LtNOWIS> oh wow
[5:26 PM] <GHe|NotAvailable> hey LtNOWIS
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[5:26 PM] <C3POtheD> My my my... everyone's eating.
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[5:26 PM] <GHe|NotAvailable> (just going to dinner for a bit :P)
[5:27 PM] <LtNOWIS> when do we start again?
[5:27 PM] <Nightmare> I don't eat
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[5:27 PM] <Imperialles> 30 mins
[5:27 PM] <GHe|NotAvailable> ~30min
[5:27 PM] <Ataru|editing> Anyone have a good pic of Depa Billaba from Ep. II? Redemption?
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[5:27 PM] * OuroborosCobra gets some pretzels so he isn't left out
[5:27 PM] <VladiusMagnum> has the Mofference started?
[5:27 PM] <C3POtheD> Our overconsumption of the world's edible resources will lead to global disaster.
[5:27 PM] <Ataru|editing> Not yet
[5:27 PM] <LtNOWIS> not yet
[5:27 PM] <GHe|NotAvailable> in 30 min
[5:27 PM] <VladiusMagnum> i see thanks
[5:27 PM] <Istrancis> I'm here!
[5:27 PM] <Commander_Jake> Can someone here add A Clone Apart (http://acloneapart.com/) to the Fan Films section? Watch the films, and you'll see why you should. PS: Episode one is available on youtube.com. the embedded version doesn't work for me.
[5:27 PM] <Imperialles> Ataru -- leave him a message on his talk page
[5:27 PM] <Ataru|editing> Will do
[5:28 PM] <Darth_Culator> I'm annoyed that my city, large as it is and full of single military people, has only two companies that let you order pizza online.
[5:28 PM] <VladiusMagnum> weird
[5:28 PM] <Redemption> There is such thing as a phone
[5:28 PM] <Commander_Jake> Are you in the Army Culator?
[5:28 PM] * SillyDan laughs at whereever it is he's from
[5:28 PM] <Darth_Culator> Bah!
[5:28 PM] <Darth_Culator> No.
[5:28 PM] <Nightmare> Does anyone here like Star Wars Attacktix?
[5:29 PM] <Darth_Culator> Not in the army. Live in a Navy-dominated city.
[5:29 PM] <VladiusMagnum> NOO
[5:29 PM] <Imperialles> I'm annoyed that my town doesn't have a single store :(
[5:29 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare: No, I never really got into them.
[5:29 PM] <Nightmare> I like them, but nobody I know does,,,
[5:29 PM] <Commander_Jake> Culator: Okay, thanks very much.
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[5:29 PM] <Nightmare> I never get a chance to play that often
[5:29 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I'm annoyed that my town was conquered by the Mexican Empire from the unknown regions :(
[5:29 PM] <Istrancis> I won't be able to stay for the whole Mofference (I don't think I'll even see it start), because I hace a grinds class in the morning, and it's late here now, but could someone mention the possibility of a "Great Red-Link Hunt"?
[5:30 PM] <C3POtheD> I'm annoyed that the Arby's didn't have roast beef
[5:30 PM] <Redemption> Vladius: same...
[5:30 PM] <Imperialles> Istrancis--I will do that
[5:30 PM] <Nightmare> I don't eat
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[5:30 PM] <Nightmare> No, really
[5:30 PM] <Nightmare> I dont
[5:30 PM] <Istrancis> Thanks a lot, Imperialles, it's much apprecited!
[5:30 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare: How do you stay alive, then? :P
[5:30 PM] <Redemption> Have fun starving to death then
[5:30 PM] <Nightmare> I havn't eaten in two days
[5:30 PM] <SillyDan> how can an Arby's not have roast beef?
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[5:31 PM] <SillyDan> did it at least have curly fries?
[5:31 PM] <SillyDan> Nightmare: go eat something
[5:31 PM] <C3POtheD> Because their shipment truck was delayed
[5:31 PM] <Nightmare> I'm about to in about 10 minutes when my pizza arrives. (thank god
[5:31 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare: Good.
[5:31 PM] <SillyDan> whew
[5:31 PM] <Darth_Culator> Why voice the droid when he's not supposed to talk?
[5:31 PM] <Nightmare> My stomach hurts so bad...
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[5:32 PM] <Imperialles> Because he's the stenographer
[5:32 PM] <Istrancis> The droids rights movement won't like that...
[5:32 PM] <Commander_Jake> Culator: And because I think it's kinda cute.
[5:32 PM] <Commander_Jake> I have something of a soft spot for droids...
[5:32 PM] <Bub> Is there anyone in the Pacific time zone here?
[5:32 PM] <Nightmare> I love droids
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[5:32 PM] <Istrancis> Yeah, droids rock!
[5:32 PM] <C3POtheD> I think the Spirit and Opportunity are cute
[5:32 PM] <Nightmare> Their the only team I play as on Battlefront 2
[5:32 PM] <Nightmare> The CIS is awesome
[5:33 PM] <Nightmare> Oh, goodi, the pizza's here!
[5:33 PM] <Commander_Jake> Bleah. CIS droids look awful, IMO
[5:33 PM] <C3POtheD> Tip him for swiftness.
[5:33 PM] <Istrancis> Battlefront 3 is being developed by the same guys who made Timesplitters.
[5:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> BF3??
[5:33 PM] <OuroborosCobra> my hip hurts, and it is all the CIS fault
[5:33 PM] <Genis_Washington> Hello
[5:33 PM] <Istrancis> Yeah, I'll find the link...
[5:34 PM] <Nightmare> Ummm...mushroom...
[5:34 PM] <C3POtheD> Hmmm. I need to mention this on Star Wars Fanon. (Some user made a Battlefront III article)
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[5:34 PM] <LtNOWIS> I like the site notice
[5:34 PM] <cloud_strife> hi all
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[5:34 PM] <LtNOWIS> welcome
[5:34 PM] <Commander_Jake> Battlefront 3 has a site already!?
[5:34 PM] <OuroborosCobra> do you guys ever work with the guys at Star Wars fanon?
[5:34 PM] <Ineedaname> Everyone loves the sitenotice
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[5:35 PM] <cloud_strife> what! someone said something about bf3
[5:35 PM] <Istrancis> http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Free_Radical_To_Develop_Star_Wars_Battlefront_III_100529.asp
[5:35 PM] <C3POtheD> I am an admin there, so yes, I work at SwFanon occasionally
[5:35 PM] <Istrancis> There's the BF3 link.
[5:35 PM] <Commander_Jake> Cool, thanks
[5:35 PM] <Bub> So do I
[5:36 PM] <C3POtheD> My previous comment was the understatement of the century
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[5:36 PM] <cloud_strife> so anyone play SWM?
[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> That was some goooooooood pizza....
[5:36 PM] <Istrancis> Finished already?
[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> SMW? I LOVE nintendo!
[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> Yes.
[5:36 PM] <Commander_Jake> Hey hasn't in two days...
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[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> I ate 4 peices
[5:36 PM] <Commander_Jake> *hasn't eaten
[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> 4 peices
[5:36 PM] <Nightmare> That's more than normal
[5:37 PM] <Istrancis> I'll be eating pizza myself tomorrow, I believe
[5:37 PM] * LtNOWIS will have to skip dinner today.
[5:37 PM] <Commander_Jake> Wow. I'm kind of surprised that we have so many people, and there's no lag. Yet.
[5:37 PM] <cloud_strife> i just got done eating a whole pizza XD
[5:37 PM] <Nightmare> I usually only eat 2 peices
[5:37 PM] <OuroborosCobra> eating that fast after going that long without food will make you sick
[5:37 PM] <Istrancis> Yeah, you might want to watch that...
[5:37 PM] <Nightmare> Ok, I will
[5:37 PM] <Nightmare> So far, no cramps or anything
[5:37 PM] <DarthCognito> Guys it's me! Darth Cognito!
[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> Hi
[5:38 PM] <cloud_strife> hi
[5:38 PM] <JohnMithic> sup?
[5:38 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare:If you have to leave abruptly we won't be surprised...
[5:38 PM] <Istrancis> Heya DC!
[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> lol
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[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> Diareaha
[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> I hope not
[5:38 PM] <Istrancis> So, how many are we expecting here tonight?
[5:38 PM] <cloud_strife> \w/ (>.<) \w/
[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> I'll try to stay
[5:38 PM] <Istrancis> Will it reach 100?
[5:38 PM] <Commander_Jake> Istrancis
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[5:38 PM] <Bub> Istrancis: About 60 people
[5:38 PM] <Commander_Jake> It's a lot more than that.
[5:38 PM] <Nightmare> Only time will tell
[5:38 PM] <Istrancis> Yep?
[5:38 PM] <Commander_Jake> Oh. NVM
[5:39 PM] <LtNOWIS> We're expecting 64.
[5:39 PM] <DarthCognito> I like Pizza!
[5:39 PM] <cloud_strife> im just here to watch and nerd/nerf out ^_^
[5:39 PM] <SillyDan> and not all at once
[5:39 PM] <Istrancis> Hopefully we'll get at least the 60 then, the more the merrier!
[5:39 PM] * Darth_Culator is ordering pizza online as we speak.
[5:39 PM] <RC-9393> hi@all
[5:39 PM] <Commander_Jake> So how many people will join before it starts to lag? I
[5:39 PM] <Istrancis> This mofference could work out well for the pizza industry!
[5:39 PM] <Nightmare> I think that Battle Front two should of had a story mode for Rebels and Droids to
[5:40 PM] <cloud_strife> yeah
[5:40 PM] <Commander_Jake> RC-9393: Hey, ner vod.
[5:40 PM] <OuroborosCobra> I'm not sure I'll stay here. I have about 1700 edits at Memory Alpha, but next to none at Wookieepedia
[5:40 PM] <DarthCognito> Darth Cognito likes Pizza
[5:40 PM] <Ozzel> I'm heating up leftover pizza. :-p
[5:40 PM] <cloud_strife> brb
[5:40 PM] <Commander_Jake> I'm not having pizza!
[5:40 PM] <SillyDan> I'm having salad
[5:40 PM] <Nightmare> lol
[5:40 PM] <Ineedaname> I had pizza on Wednesday
[5:40 PM] <Commander_Jake> Weird...so did I
[5:40 PM] <Nightmare> I fit in here way more than I expected I would!
[5:41 PM] <Nightmare> This place is ggreat!
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[5:41 PM] <C3POtheD> IRC of Wookieepedia?
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[5:41 PM] <Istrancis> It sure is! It's just like Celebration!
[5:41 PM] <Istrancis> Or Jedi-Con!
[5:41 PM] <C3POtheD> So much for Mofference
[5:41 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nightmare: Everyone fits in at Wookiepedia. Until someone asks how long an SSD is or how many clones were in the GAR.
[5:41 PM] <Nightmare> L-O-L
[5:42 PM] <SillyDan> "big". "lots."
[5:42 PM] <Ataru|editing> Or what quotes we should put here
[5:42 PM] <Darth_Culator> 19 kilometers and more than three million, respectively.
[5:42 PM] <Commander_Jake> I wasn't asking, for the record.
[5:42 PM] <cloud_strife> i return
[5:42 PM] <Nightmare> hi
[5:42 PM] <Ataru|editing> 1 millimeter and 3 and a half
[5:42 PM] <Ataru|editing> lol
[5:42 PM] <SillyDan> Culator: what did I just say? "big." "lots." 8)
[5:42 PM] * Darth_Culator likes rhetorical questions.
[5:42 PM] <Ineedaname> 10 million km, 8000 soldiers
[5:42 PM] <Darth_Culator> "As big as Kyle Katarn says," and "some guys who didn't matter, plus Kyle Katarn."
[5:43 PM] <SillyDan> when was kyle in the GAR?
[5:43 PM] <cloud_strife> i like eggs
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[5:43 PM] <LtNOWIS> He wasn't.
[5:43 PM] <Darth_Culator> He was if he says he was.
[5:43 PM] <Nightmare> I think that Mace Windu was too cool to die
[5:43 PM] <C3POtheD> Oh, I learned something new today
[5:43 PM] <Ineedaname> He was de facto leader
[5:43 PM] <cloud_strife> yuck mace im glad that prik died
[5:43 PM] <Nightmare> lol
[5:43 PM] <Redemption> indeed
[5:44 PM] <C3POtheD> Mace Windy freaks me out
[5:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> shut up fool
[5:44 PM] <Commander_Jake> SillyDan: Kyle Katarn is the Chuck Norris of Star Wars. I don't think I need to say anymore.
[5:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> you don't know who you're talking about
[5:44 PM] <Commander_Jake> Me?
[5:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> not you jake
[5:44 PM] <Commander_Jake> Okay
[5:44 PM] <C3POtheD> Who's Chuch Norris?
[5:44 PM] <Nightmare> Jar Jar Binks is awesome; why does everyone hate him so much?
[5:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> IDIOT!
[5:44 PM] <cloud_strife> *kills jar-jar*
[5:44 PM] <C3POtheD> What Vladius said
[5:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I wish we could, like, boot them or something
[5:44 PM] <Ataru|editing> I'm glad the real Mofference starts soon
[5:44 PM] <Redemption> Because he is a creation of an abonmination under the Lord
[5:44 PM] <C3POtheD> Jar Jar is funny
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[5:45 PM] <Bub> There's a SWFanon page all about different ways of Jar-Jar dying
[5:45 PM] <C3POtheD> I made that
[5:45 PM] <JohnMithic> lol
[5:45 PM] <Nightmare> figures
[5:45 PM] <Commander_Jake> Link, please?
[5:45 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Jar Jar is a mindless moron who ruined the entire series!--Weird Obcessed Lucas-Basher
[5:45 PM] <Darth_Culator> My opinion of SWFanon just went up several degrees.
[5:45 PM] <Master76> Hey all
[5:45 PM] <Commander_Jake> Hey
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[5:45 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I agree with CUlator
[5:46 PM] <Master76> http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/How_Jar-Jar_Died
[5:46 PM] <Master76> There's the link
[5:46 PM] <LtNOWIS> OOO: Are you Trip from TFN?
[5:46 PM] <Nightmare> Episode III made Grievous look like a wuss
[5:46 PM] * Imperialles is working on the new GA, peer review and RfB pages
[5:46 PM] <C3POtheD> A lot of it is misspelled, but some of it is great
[5:46 PM] <Commander_Jake> NOWIS: Probably. Hey Trip.
[5:46 PM] <Ozzel> Hyphenated? Seriously?
[5:46 PM] <OOO> Yep, trip was taken and 000 wouldn't work
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[5:47 PM] <LtNOWIS> well, 0 is better than O, IMO.
[5:47 PM] <Commander_Jake> Agreed,
[5:47 PM] <Istrancis> What's hyphenated, Jar-Jar?
[5:47 PM] <Ozzel> It is there, but it shouldn't be.
[5:47 PM] <C3POtheD> That's all I can figure...
[5:47 PM] <cloud_strife> O.o im listning to star trek music
[5:48 PM] <Master76> O_o
[5:48 PM] <Commander_Jake> <_>
[5:48 PM] <C3POtheD> Freak. Star Wars music is better
[5:48 PM] <cloud_strife> i know\
[5:48 PM] <Bub> There, now it's not hypenated :P
[5:48 PM] <C3POtheD> *listens to Imperial March
[5:48 PM] <Istrancis> Well turn it off and listen to SW music, you're at a mofference (lol)
[5:48 PM] <Imperialles> I just have Cavatina on repeat =)
[5:48 PM] <Istrancis> That's better!
[5:48 PM] <Ataru|editing> *listens to Battle of the Heroes
[5:48 PM] <Master76> Agree
[5:48 PM] <Istrancis> Oh, nice
[5:48 PM] <cloud_strife> i got itunes on random
[5:48 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *listens to Firefly theme
[5:49 PM] * AdamNuckie faz alto arraial ao som de: Star Wars - Duel of the Fates Length: 4:14 BitRate: 128kbps
[5:50 PM] <Adamwankenobi> :P
[5:50 PM] <Nightmare> *listens to the Confederacy march theme*
[5:50 PM] <cloud_strife> ha duel of the fates
[5:50 PM] <Istrancis> Oooh, Firefly!
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> Battle of the Heroes is far too intense for this conversation
[5:50 PM] <Master76> Ya
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> As is Duel of the Fates
[5:50 PM] <Adamwankenobi> :D
[5:50 PM] <Commander_Jake> I watched Serenity once. It was good, but I got a little scared to continue after the Reavers's origings were reavealed.
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> How about the Cantina Band?
[5:50 PM] <Commander_Jake> *origins
[5:50 PM] <Ataru|editing> How about Emperor's Throne Room?
[5:50 PM] <Commander_Jake> 3PO: Imperial March would best suit the title.
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> Uff da.
[5:50 PM] <Ataru|editing> Oops gotta wait for Riff to listen to that! lol & jk
[5:50 PM] <VladiusMagnum> *listens to Jar Jar's pathetic squeals of pain*
[5:50 PM] <Nightmare> =O
[5:50 PM] <Commander_Jake> 10 minutes till the Mofference begins!
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> Cantina Band would best fit the chaos in here
[5:50 PM] <VladiusMagnum> w00t
[5:50 PM] <Nightmare> lol
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[5:50 PM] <Nightmare> I like the word meatbag
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[5:50 PM] <VladiusMagnum> who doesn't?
[5:50 PM] <Istrancis> Hmm...maybe we should post word on the Mofference on TheForce.Net.
[5:50 PM] <C3POtheD> Uh... I abstain
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[5:50 PM] <Imperialles> we did
[5:50 PM] <Imperialles> <div style style="font-weight: 900; text-decoration: blink; font-style: bold; font-size: 125%; color: red;">The [[Wookieepedia:Mofferences|Mofference]] is starting ''now''!</div>
[5:50 PM] <Commander_Jake> Valadius: Meatbag Meatbag Meatbag Meatbag Meatbag Meatbag etc.
[5:50 PM] <Wookie_love_slav> Hello
[5:51 PM] <Istrancis> Oh, Okay, thanks!
[5:51 PM] * AdamNuckie faz alto arraial ao som de: John Williams - Cantina Band Length: 2:46 BitRate: 192kbps
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[5:51 PM] <AdamNuckie> this one rocls!
[5:51 PM] <jSarek> A little early to be starting it, don't you think?
[5:51 PM] <AdamNuckie> *rocks!
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[5:51 PM] <Ineedaname> Mofference is starting now?
[5:51 PM] <Nightmare> Don't get mad at me durring the mofference if I act stupid; I have ADHD
[5:51 PM] <emperor_sam> meh.
[5:51 PM] <Master76> K
[5:51 PM] <Imperialles> it's not starting now
[5:51 PM] <VladiusMagnum> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[5:51 PM] <Istrancis> Not where I am, it's almost 11pm here!
[5:51 PM] <VladiusMagnum> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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[5:51 PM] <Master76> Listening to Imperial March
[5:51 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Soon Bates > meatbag
[5:51 PM] <VladiusMagnum> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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[5:51 PM] <C3POtheD> Good music!
[5:51 PM] <cloud_strife> 10 more mins
[5:51 PM] <jSarek> Sorry, first thing I saw when I came in was "[[Wookieepedia:Mofferences|Mofference]] is starting ''now"
[5:51 PM] <C3POtheD> I downloaded it off Wikipedia
[5:51 PM] <Nightmare> <Nightmare> Don't get mad at me durring the mofference if I act stupid; I have ADHD
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[5:52 PM] <GHe> back
[5:52 PM] <C3POtheD> Just the first part though, for GDFL and GNU and all that
[5:52 PM] <VladiusMagnum> oh no
[5:52 PM] <GHe> and in time too :)
[5:52 PM] <Ineedaname> I can't listen to music on my computer ATM because my external hard drive's doing something. Luckily I have Jedi Rocks on my MP3 player ;)
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[5:52 PM] <emperor_sam> So yeah...
[5:52 PM] <Nightmare> *listening to F-Zero music*
[5:52 PM] <Ineedaname> Also, this is going to be a nightmare to read
[5:52 PM] <Commander_Jake> I'm listning to "Rage of the Shadow Warriors"
[5:52 PM] <LtNOWIS> nice
[5:52 PM] <jSarek> I think this is the busyest this room has ever been . . .
[5:52 PM] <emperor_sam> What exactly are we discussing?
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[5:52 PM] <Imperialles> INN: we will be moderating =)
[5:52 PM] <LtNOWIS> nothing yet
[5:52 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> How many Sith are here?
[5:52 PM] <C3POtheD> Random stuff
[5:52 PM] <Darth_Culator> jSarek: Yes, it is.
[5:53 PM] <emperor_sam> lol
[5:53 PM] <Nightmare> "Nightmare to read" That offends me
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[5:53 PM] <VladiusMagnum> <sarcasm> I'm totally going to get mad at you even though you have ADHD!</sarcasm>(HTML coding)
[5:53 PM] <C3POtheD> I destroyed the Sith
[5:53 PM] * AdamNuckie faz alto arraial ao som de: Star Wars Episode VI - The Force Theme Length: 3:21 BitRate: 40kbps
[5:53 PM] <LtNOWIS> welcome Jaina
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[5:53 PM] <JainaSolo> Hi LtNowis and everbody.
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[5:53 PM] <jSarek> 'Allo Jaina.
[5:53 PM] <Imperialles> Hola
[5:53 PM] <Master76> Hey
[5:53 PM] <Commander_Jake> Hi
[5:53 PM] <jSarek> And to everyone else, too. :-)
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[5:53 PM] <emperor_sam> I Sooooooooooooooo...
[5:53 PM] <OlBen> hi
[5:53 PM] <AdamNuckie> quite some original nicks here *not*
[5:53 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> Hi
[5:53 PM] <VladiusMagnum> WAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP
[5:53 PM] <Nightmare> *listening to F-Zero music*
[5:53 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> *force chokes Adam
[5:53 PM] <C3POtheD> ...
[5:53 PM] <Jwebb13> So, who brought the punch and pie?
[5:53 PM] * AdamNuckie is force choked
[5:54 PM] * AdamNuckie dies
[5:54 PM] <Darth_Culator> Free hat!
[5:54 PM] <Nightmare> I brought the pie
[5:54 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> i like pie
[5:54 PM] <Bari> *wonders what a mofference is*
[5:54 PM] <jSarek> No punch and pie. How about punch in the eye?
[5:54 PM] <Commander_Jake> I have the cake
[5:54 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> Oh I want a Hat
[5:54 PM] <RoronCorobb> pumpkin or apple
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[5:54 PM] <VladiusMagnum> really?
[5:54 PM] <RoronCorobb> ?
[5:54 PM] <emperor_sam> *force chokes derek just to be annoying*
[5:54 PM] <Adamwankenobi> pie are squared
[5:54 PM] <AdamNuckie> I have a package of cookies here
[5:54 PM] <jSarek> Em are not. Pie are round.
[5:54 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> *Dies*
[5:54 PM] <C3POtheD> A mofference is a...... uh......a......uh.....um...... this
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[5:54 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> cookies r nice
[5:54 PM] * ChrisJS07 waves
[5:54 PM] <LtNOWIS> For all the newbies here, this is gonna go on for like 15 more minutes.
[5:54 PM] <OOO> It's a conference, Bari, but for Moffs.
[5:54 PM] <Jwebb13> No punch and pie?! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[5:54 PM] <JainaSolo> lol
[5:54 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> *turns into a Jedi ghost*
[5:54 PM] <Nightmare> Chery pie for everyone! *throws pie in face of others*
[5:54 PM] <Imperialles> The Mofference hasn't started.
[5:54 PM] <Adamwankenobi> mmmm...
[5:54 PM] <JediMaster76> *dodges*
[5:54 PM] <RoronCorobb> pie fight!
[5:55 PM] <emperor_sam> v__v
[5:55 PM] <Darth_Culator> Wait, who's going to run this thing?
[5:55 PM] <Nightmare> *throws apple pie*
[5:55 PM] <Commander_Jake> *heaves pie
[5:55 PM] <JediMaster76> *Uses force lightning*
[5:55 PM] <GHe> I can see it's getting exciting in here..
[5:55 PM] <C3POtheD> Good. This would be pathetic for an official meeting
[5:55 PM] <Redemption> Hopefully not clowns
[5:55 PM] <Nightmare> *lauches pie catapult
[5:55 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *dodges pie*
[5:55 PM] <Imperialles> Culator, we are
[5:55 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> eats pie
[5:55 PM] <Nightmare> *pie cannon*
[5:55 PM] <JediMaster76> *and throws pumpkin pie*
[5:55 PM] <Ataru|editing> Order! There will be order!
[5:55 PM] <Darth_Culator> We are???
[5:55 PM] <C3POtheD> I hope this isn't the kind of thing that goes on in real political discussions
[5:55 PM] <Imperialles> I can handle it ;)
[5:55 PM] <RoronCorobb> uses lightsaber to deflect pie...
[5:55 PM] <Nightmare> *pieK-47*
[5:55 PM] <GHe> so.. who's the head Moff?
[5:55 PM] <Commander_Jake> *pie gatling gun*
[5:55 PM] <emperor_sam> Why the pie! No not pie! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
[5:55 PM] <jSarek> Yes. By we, we specifically mean you, Culator. ;-)
[5:55 PM] <Redemption> I hope it is, C3PO
[5:55 PM] <GHe> ;)
[5:55 PM] <Nightmare> *pieK-47*
[5:55 PM] <JediMaster76> lol
[5:55 PM] <VladiusMagnum> IT JUST STARTED LETS HAVE ORDER
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[5:55 PM] <Commander_Jake> It's on!
[5:55 PM] <JediMaster76> *pie canonon*
[5:55 PM] <emperor_sam> Order!
[5:55 PM] <Istrancis> Okay sir
[5:56 PM] <JediMaster76> k
[5:56 PM] <emperor_sam> Order!
[5:56 PM] <jSarek> Baloney on rye, hold the mustard.
[5:56 PM] <GHe> we might have to set +m to get ppl to settle down...
[5:56 PM] <JediMaster76> yes sir
[5:56 PM] <mattymoron> I don't like pie.
[5:56 PM] <Ataru|editing> *I have been summoned*
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[5:56 PM] <Imperialles> 4 minutes.
[5:56 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> I'm beening good
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[5:56 PM] <Nightmare> SETTLE DOWN YOU MEATBAGS
[5:56 PM] <Istrancis> Settle down everyone!
[5:56 PM] <C3POtheD> Mudslinging party!
[5:56 PM] <jSarek> Greetings all who have recently arrived.
[5:56 PM] <Commander_Jake> So, what's the first subject at the meeting?
[5:56 PM] <Imperialles> Settle down people.
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[5:56 PM] <GHe> or +m will be imposed
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[5:56 PM] <Huntster> wow, what a group.
[5:56 PM] <Imperialles> I'll get to that, Jake
[5:56 PM] <Nightmare> SETTLE DOEWN YOU MEATBAGS
[5:56 PM] <Darth_Culator> Imp is most senior in here right now.
[5:56 PM] <GHe> *sigh*
[5:56 PM] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights
[5:56 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Jive
[5:56 PM] <JediMaster76> Im ready
[5:56 PM] <pdandy1994> what we be doin first
[5:56 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Censorship is the first topic
[5:56 PM] <Istrancis> Greeting JSEREK, thanks for looking at my article on Allyan Magic recently, by the way.
[5:56 PM] <pdandy1994> ah ok
[5:57 PM] <Nightmare> You mean lauguage censuring?
[5:57 PM] <pdandy1994> im gonna have to leave early
[5:57 PM] <C3POtheD> The consensus is no censorship
[5:57 PM] <Commander_Jake> Vladius: Okay, thanks
[5:57 PM] <jSarek> lstrancis: np.
[5:57 PM] <Imperialles> That's fine pdandy.
[5:57 PM] <pdandy1994> ok
[5:57 PM] <RoronCorobb> no censorship!
[5:57 PM] <LtNOWIS> well, if there was like X-rated stuff, we wouldn't want it.
[5:57 PM] <Atarumaster> Agreed
[5:57 PM] <RoronCorobb> ya
[5:57 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[5:57 PM] <Xwing328> I can only be here about 10 minutes
[5:57 PM] <Imperialles> Ssh.
[5:57 PM] <Darth_Culator> Right.
[5:57 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Censorship is satan!
[5:57 PM] <emperor_sam> Censorship gets annoying at times, specially when you type scrape or something, and it comes up as sc**e.
[5:57 PM] <C3POtheD> Except for criticisms of Ewoks
[5:57 PM] <Commander_Jake> Roron: *spews swears*
[5:57 PM] <GHe> so does this officially begin at :00?
[5:57 PM] <pdandy1994> i hate ewoks
[5:57 PM] <emperor_sam> yeah
[5:57 PM] <Imperialles> Save it for the meeting guys ;)
[5:57 PM] <Imperialles> Yep, GHe.
[5:57 PM] <Atarumaster> What about personal attacks on other users though?
[5:57 PM] <Istrancis> Well I think we're mature enough here to go without censorship
[5:57 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: Okay
[5:57 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> I say Shave all Wookies
[5:57 PM] <emperor_sam> This is the meeting, dummy.
[5:58 PM] <mattymoron> I like Ewoks.
[5:58 PM] <Jwebb13> Well, we obviously don't want to refer to the Force as "totally f*ckin' awesome!", if only for the sake of professionalism and the site's reputation, but is this really a big problem?
[5:58 PM] <Darth_Culator> [Redacted by administration]
[5:58 PM] <VladiusMagnum> "Appropriateness: should we censor material on the grounds that it's possibly explicit, offensive or otherwise inappropriate for certain groups of people? - Sikon 19:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)"
[5:58 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[5:58 PM] <emperor_sam> You suck, mattymoron.
[5:58 PM] <C3POtheD> No censorship there, just a nice good ban
[5:58 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Quite a lot of people from SWfanon wiki
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[5:58 PM] <Atarumaster> Again, what about personal attacks?
[5:58 PM] <JainaSolo> Yeah
[5:58 PM] <JediMaster76> Ya
[5:58 PM] <Commander_Jake> Hi Havac
[5:58 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[5:58 PM] <RoronCorobb> ya
[5:58 PM] <Havac> I bid you all Dark Greetings!
[5:58 PM] <RoronCorobb> laaame
[5:58 PM] <jSarek> Heh, now it's started.;-)
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[5:58 PM] <Imperialles> Nope :p
[5:58 PM] <Istrancis> Hey Jaina! Havac!
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[5:58 PM] <Commander_Jake> Havac: Same to you!
[5:58 PM] <JediMaster76> *listening to SW music*
[5:58 PM] <Imperialles> 2 minutes.
[5:58 PM] <pdandy1994> lets get this goin
[5:58 PM] <GHe> deux minutes
[5:59 PM] <Madfoot713> We're starting?
[5:59 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> criminy
[5:59 PM] <JainaSolo> Hi Istrancis
[5:59 PM] <Palpy> hi
[5:59 PM] <C3POtheD> On the personal attack matter: I think they shouldn't be censored; just banned.
[5:59 PM] <Commander_Jake> *Listens to Vode An*
[5:59 PM] <jSarek> Imp: It hast to be! He bade us Dark Greetings! That means it's started, right? ;-p
[5:59 PM] <Nightmare> *listening toe F-Zero music*
[5:59 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> I like pie
[5:59 PM] <Ineedaname> We'll just have to keep saying "I bid you all Dark Greetings!" until it does start
[5:59 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[5:59 PM] <Istrancis> Oooh, close to 60 users!
[5:59 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> [Redacted by administration]
[5:59 PM] <GHe> 60 actually
[5:59 PM] <Xwing328> I bid you all Dark Greetings!
[5:59 PM] <C3POtheD> Unless it is made in the form of vandalism
[5:59 PM] <RoronCorobb> I bid you all dark PIE!
[5:59 PM] <Xwing328> tasty
[5:59 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Does that really need to be said?
[5:59 PM] <Bub> Yum
[5:59 PM] <Atarumaster> Sighs
[5:59 PM] <Jwebb13> As long as personal comments are left on talk pages and don't get too extreme, I don't see a problem; not like I do with the idea of banning someone for calling me a jerk. Hell, I AM a jerk....
[5:59 PM] <Imperialles> The Mofference is starting soon. The rules: Spam or disrupt the meeting, and be muted.
[5:59 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Of course porn shouldn't be allowed
[5:59 PM] <C3POtheD> In that case, it should be reverted to the earlier version
[5:59 PM] <pdandy1994> ok cut with the pie crap and lets get goin
[5:59 PM] <Palpy> pie mmmm
[5:59 PM] <Ineedaname> Cull: Yes
[5:59 PM] <Imperialles> Clear?
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[5:59 PM] <pdandy1994> got yeah
[5:59 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: Sir yes sir!
[5:59 PM] <Nightmare> What is going on?!?!?!?!
[6:00 PM] <Atarumaster> Aye lead
[6:00 PM] <GHe> 1 minute
[6:00 PM] <JediMaster76> sounds good
[6:00 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> ineedaname, thanks for clarifying
[6:00 PM] <Bub> I'm going to get a snack, brb
[6:00 PM] <Imperialles> I bid you all Dark Greetings! Welcome to the November 10/11th Mofference!
[6:00 PM] <GHe> time!
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[6:00 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I need to know what is relevant
[6:00 PM] <Bari> I kind of thought this would be more serious...
[6:00 PM] <JediMaster76> Potentium greetings!
[6:00 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hello all, i made it!
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[6:00 PM] <Imperialles> The first item on our agenda is censorship.
[6:00 PM] <Redemption> I hoping that too...
[6:00 PM] <jSarek> Woohoo! It's on! And welcome, Dark Bureaucrat.
[6:00 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o riffsyphon1024 by Darth_Culator
[6:00 PM] <VladiusMagnum> A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED TO SHUT UP RIGHT NOW AND LET SOMEONE ELSE PROPOSE SOMETHING OR AT LEAST START THE MEETING! WE DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE PIE, OR HATE EWOKS OR JAR JAR!
[6:00 PM] <pdandy1994> cut the gay "i bid you all dark greetings" crap and lets go
[6:00 PM] <Imperialles> To quote Sikon "should we censor material on the grounds that it's possibly explicit, offensive or otherwise inappropriate for certain groups of people?"
[6:00 PM] <RoronCorobb> i agree
[6:00 PM] <Jwebb13> *sighs* This is turning into a rapid-fire MySpace group. I'm with Vladius.
[6:00 PM] <riffsyphon1024> it starts now
[6:00 PM] <pdandy1994> ok
[6:00 PM] <Imperialles> Opinions?
[6:00 PM] <JediMaster76> k, its on
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[6:00 PM] <C3POtheD> No censorship there, just a nice good ban
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[6:00 PM] <Nightmare> Like adult pics? Definatally.
[6:00 PM] <Istrancis> Like I said, we're all mature enough here, I don't think we need censorship that much.
[6:01 PM] <Havac> Nudity, no.
[6:01 PM] <C3POtheD> Unless it is made in the form of vandalism
[6:01 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:01 PM] <JediMaster76> agree with C3PO
[6:01 PM] <shadowdude1794> hi
[6:01 PM] <Atarumaster> I think we should- I mean 10 year olds might show up
[6:01 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no adult pics
[6:01 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> I agree
[6:01 PM] <Havac> Profanity if it's in the source
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[6:01 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:01 PM] <pdandy1994> anything with anytype of nudity needs to be
[6:01 PM] <shadowdude1794> who laggy
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[6:01 PM] <Bari> No censorship, but banning.
[6:01 PM] <Bub> Has it started yet?
[6:01 PM] <Atarumaster> ONLY if it's in the source
[6:01 PM] <riffsyphon1024> but language is acceptable under certain standards
[6:01 PM] <jSarek> We should keep the Wook at approximately the same level as the Star Wars media itself.
[6:01 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: I agree, but we should also give the user who posted the explicit sutff a warning or ban
[6:01 PM] <Nightmare> I'm 13, and it doesn't bother e, but it would bother my parents
[6:01 PM] <Redemption> No censorship at all concerning language unless it's unprofessional and considered vandalize
[6:01 PM] <Havac> The real question is profanity on talk pages and such
[6:01 PM] <SillyDan> jSarek: I agree, we should keep it Pg-13 ish
[6:01 PM] <RoronCorobb> im 11 and i dont care
[6:01 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:01 PM] <Atarumaster> What about personal attacks?
[6:01 PM] <emperor_sam> crap and stuff shouldn't be censored.
[6:01 PM] <JediMaster76> That sounds good
[6:01 PM] <Redemption> If people don't like it, its their problems
[6:01 PM] <JediMaster76> I don't care, but still
[6:01 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:01 PM] <shadowdude1794> yah it would bother my parents 2
[6:01 PM] <riffsyphon1024> could we replace the f-word with kark?
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[6:01 PM] <Istrancis> No, let's not have pr0n here on wookieepedia, or bad language.
[6:01 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> I'm 26
[6:01 PM] <C3POtheD> Nudity is irrelevant to Star Wars anyway (except Return of the Jedi) and should be deleted
[6:01 PM] <Ineedaname> No nude pics, swearing allowed unless it's being used to insult someone
[6:02 PM] <VladiusMagnum> nobody is really posting anything not seen in the movies
[6:02 PM] <Nightmare> I like the f-word...
[6:02 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> How is this a policy? Personal attacks have always been punished.
[6:02 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:02 PM] <emperor_sam> >.<
[6:02 PM] <JediMaster76> ya
[6:02 PM] <Atarumaster> I don't
[6:02 PM] <Darth_Culator> I think the real question is in the articles. For example, should we be able to say "Kriff is analogous to the word fuck."
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[6:02 PM] <C3POtheD> I don't
[6:02 PM] <LtNOWIS> we've already got personal attacks banned, so that's not an issue really.
[6:02 PM] <Imperialles> Nude pics should be allowed if they are in an offical, licensed source.
[6:02 PM] <RoronCorobb> if we said starwars bad words it would just make us look lame
[6:02 PM] <emperor_sam> I must be going people. bye.
[6:02 PM] <VladiusMagnum> okay next topic
[6:02 PM] <Istrancis> bYE
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[6:02 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> like if Jabba has anything down there
[6:02 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> DCulator, I say yes
[6:02 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
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[6:02 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i thought this question was about the articles
[6:02 PM] <Nightmare> k
[6:02 PM] <Bub> lol
[6:02 PM] <shadowdude1794> i think that new book darth bane path of destruction was really good
[6:02 PM] <pdandy1994> IMP: i agree
[6:02 PM] <Atarumaster> I've seen several personal attacks without bans
[6:02 PM] <Havac> I jsut don't see any need for profanity in any form in discussions, uless its somehow relevant
[6:02 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> If it's in the right context, it should be allowed
[6:02 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I agree with Culator
[6:02 PM] <Ozzel> Cursing should really only be a problem when users are cursing at each other, and by that point, cursing is usually not the main problem.
[6:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> context
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[6:03 PM] <Adamwankenobi> yes
[6:03 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Like Havac said, only for quotes and in appropriate contexts
[6:03 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:03 PM] <Atarumaster> Users flaming each other is not good
[6:03 PM] <jSarek> Imperialles: Agreed. If it ever comes to that - which is about as likely as Lucas making Episode 88 - then we should include it.
[6:03 PM] <JohnMithic> censoring curse words is dumb if its in a quote or in the source
[6:03 PM] <Redemption> Ataru: I assume you mean like "fuck you" and not "I don't give a damn"
[6:03 PM] <Nightmare> This is soooooo unorganized...
[6:03 PM] <Xwing328> agreed
[6:03 PM] <C3POtheD> If absolutely necessary, it could be done, maybe, but remember the age groups that like Star Wars here
[6:03 PM] <Atarumaster> Redemption: Right
[6:03 PM] <Nightmare> Oh, no! LAG?!?!?!
[6:03 PM] <Madfoot713> Nude pucs-only if required. They have stuff like that on wikipedia, so take that as a guideline, I guess.
[6:03 PM] <pdandy1994> we should clean up the articles cause ive seen many with swear
[6:03 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Seriously, when has flaming been allowed? There's no reason to reiterate that flaming is bad.
[6:03 PM] <pdandy1994> ing
[6:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> can we get a headcount here first
[6:03 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:03 PM] <Commander_Jake> Nude pics: No, please god, no.
[6:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i get about a 5 sec lag
[6:03 PM] <LtNOWIS> 61 people
[6:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> not that time
[6:03 PM] <Atarumaster> Cull:Forum:Administrator's Noticeboard/Ugluk
[6:03 PM] <Redemption> Good. I still hold the rights to say "I don't give a damn"
[6:03 PM] <Nightmare> I've got a hug lag!
[6:03 PM] <pdandy1994> yall are pervs if you want nude pics
[6:03 PM] <Bub> Has the mofference started yet?
[6:03 PM] <Havac> what about stuff like "this article is in fucking terrible condition" on a talk page? Is that acceptable?
[6:03 PM] <RoronCorobb> swear words on articles should be ok in some cases
[6:03 PM] <GHe> 62 ppl
[6:03 PM] <C3POtheD> There are no nudes in Star Wars, so they are not required
[6:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no havac
[6:04 PM] <jSarek> Bub: Aye.
[6:04 PM] <Bari> Bub> Yes.
[6:04 PM] <VladiusMagnum> LAG DOESN't Matter this isn't a game
[6:04 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> AMaster, I know about that, and Ugluk was banned wasn't he?
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[6:04 PM] <Istrancis> Now, flame wars should not be tolerated. I only have 0.2s lag!
[6:04 PM] <pdandy1994> C3P0:i agree
[6:04 PM] <JohnMithic> nudity should have a permanent ban and so should any user that puts nude pictures up
[6:04 PM] <Commander_Jake> Havac: I think the word "freaking" would probably suffice there.
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[6:04 PM] <Atarumaster> Yes, but Ugluk wasn't the only one
[6:04 PM] <JediMaster76> agree with 3PO
[6:04 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Censoring that page will do nothing, since you can always look at the history.
[6:04 PM] <Imperialles> I propose the following: No nudity unless it's in an official product. Give warnings and eventually bans for personal attacks.
[6:04 PM] <jSarek> Vlad: You've obviously never tried chatting in severe lag . . .
[6:04 PM] <Nightmare> I have a 7 secound lag!
[6:04 PM] <Atarumaster> Agree with John I do
[6:04 PM] <Havac> yeah, but current policy seems to allow that
[6:04 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> There are much worse talk page histories.
[6:04 PM] <VladiusMagnum> yes I have
[6:04 PM] <Imperialles> Anyone disagree?
[6:04 PM] <LtNOWIS> Agree with Imperialles
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[6:04 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> curse words should only really be used in context with the slang articles and list
[6:04 PM] <Redemption> Nope.
[6:04 PM] <Xwing328> agreed with Imperialles
[6:04 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Mike Kazz comes to mind.
[6:04 PM] <Atarumaster> Agreed with Imp
[6:04 PM] <Sompeetalay> Hallo everybody !
[6:04 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Should we take down pics of Chewbacca? The Wookiee has no pants! :P
[6:04 PM] <SillyDan> agree with Riff
[6:04 PM] <RoronCorobb> yep
[6:04 PM] <Commander_Jake> Agree with Imperialles
[6:04 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> dont bring him up please
[6:04 PM] <C3POtheD> Agree
[6:04 PM] <JediMaster76> yep
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[6:04 PM] <Atarumaster> What did Mike Kazz do?
[6:04 PM] <Imperialles> If there are no objections, that will be the policy on censorship
[6:04 PM] <Bari> Okay, we all agree.
[6:05 PM] <Commander_Jake> None here
[6:05 PM] <Bari> Next topic?
[6:05 PM] <Ineedaname> Agree with Imp
[6:05 PM] <Atarumaster> Can we restate that for the record?
[6:05 PM] <C3POtheD> Stop agreeing! It's continuing the lag!
[6:05 PM] <jSarek> brb
[6:05 PM] <pdandy1994> ok next topic
[6:05 PM] <LtNOWIS> hooray for consensus!
[6:05 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> Mike KAzz
[6:05 PM] <Nightmare> Dark Shroud personally vandalized my page
[6:05 PM] <SadrielFett> agree
[6:05 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> ya
[6:05 PM] <pdandy1994> next topic
[6:05 PM] <Imperialles> No nudity unless it's in an official product. Give warnings and eventually bans for personal attacks.
[6:05 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i mean we wont ban someone whos been around if they use a little bit on a talk page
[6:05 PM] <JediMaster76> brb
[6:05 PM] <pdandy1994> we got the cencorship down
[6:05 PM] <Atarumaster> Thank you
[6:05 PM] <VladiusMagnum> okay next:"Unused, unsourced images. Blast away? --Imp 19:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)"
[6:05 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> what page nightmare?
[6:05 PM] <Redemption> Also, no attacking in another language.
[6:05 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> AMaster, Mike Kazz did nothing, but if you look into his history, you can see that he made several random personal attacks, that were out of line.
[6:05 PM] <riffsyphon1024> people will ultimately express themselves
[6:05 PM] <Ozzel> Yes!
[6:05 PM] <JohnMithic> i agree with imperialalles
[6:05 PM] <Nightmare> My user page
[6:05 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah get rid of unsouce images
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[6:05 PM] <Imperialles> Now, last call. Does anyone disagree with the proposal "No nudity unless it's in an official product. Give warnings and eventually bans for personal attacks."
[6:05 PM] <Xwing328> put a source message first, like articles
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[6:05 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Of course
[6:05 PM] <Bub> I agree with Imp
[6:05 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Yes
[6:05 PM] <Huntster> blast unsourced images. There should be no reason that you can't state where the image came from.
[6:05 PM] <C3POtheD> Yes
[6:06 PM] <Whopper_> yep
[6:06 PM] <pdandy1994> i say no nude pics
[6:06 PM] <pdandy1994> at all
[6:06 PM] <jSarek> Back. Blast away.
[6:06 PM] <Redemption> Unless you uploaded quickly and forgot to put a source
[6:06 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:06 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> There shouldn't be any nude pics anyway
[6:06 PM] <Dark_JediDerek> I agree
[6:06 PM] <riffsyphon1024> except oola
[6:06 PM] <Angela> Perhaps you should also having a policy where you're allowed to remove personal attacks made, even if it's on someone's else's talk page.
[6:06 PM] <JohnMithic> i agree with huntster
[6:06 PM] <JainaSolo> I agree
[6:06 PM] <C3POtheD> There are no nudes in Star Wars, so they are not required
[6:06 PM] <Redemption> Some of them are just plain common sense where they came from
[6:06 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Get rid of all unused images.
[6:06 PM] <Commander_Jake> Unsourced pics; If they're being used, keep 'em. If not, blast 'em.
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[6:06 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Riff, how could I forget
[6:06 PM] <Atarumaster> Let's not destroy any pics for a few days though
[6:06 PM] <Havac> It'd be nice to be able to solicit a source for decent pics
[6:06 PM] <LtNOWIS> Well, tag an image as unsourced for awhile, than delete it.
[6:06 PM] <Huntster> Redemption, then immedately go back and include a source. It's easy :)
[6:06 PM] <JainaSolo> I agree with 3PO
[6:06 PM] <Darth_Culator> If they're in use, source them.
[6:06 PM] <C3POtheD> Some unused images may be used in the future
[6:06 PM] <Atarumaster> Agree with C Jake yes
[6:06 PM] <Istrancis> Couldn't you put the unused messages away somewhere, in cold storage?
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[6:06 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i still like the concept of the sexual list article
[6:06 PM] <VladiusMagnum> alright. Cool.
[6:06 PM] <Havac> Better to find the source than just blast it
[6:06 PM] <Redemption> When you've been uploading 20 images a day for a year, the amount of images tends to build up
[6:06 PM] <Imperialles> Well
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[6:06 PM] <riffsyphon1024> but im also 22
[6:06 PM] <Sompeetalay> I agree with Havac
[6:06 PM] <Ozzel> Unused images: I say we delete them in rounds. Maybe list the first 250 or so, give them a week, then delete.
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[6:07 PM] <Nightmare> I have some unsourced images, I don't agree with this
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[6:07 PM] <Imperialles> There's 1,5k + unsourced unused images
[6:07 PM] <Istrancis> Yeah, find the source, let's hoard all we can!
[6:07 PM] <Xwing328> I like that Ozzel
[6:07 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> 22? You fogie
[6:07 PM] <jSarek> Ozzel: Good idea.
[6:07 PM] <AM88> Find the source, but give time to fix it
[6:07 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> The average age in here is probably like 13
[6:07 PM] <Imperialles> As long as we do not know the source, we cannot certify fair use.
[6:07 PM] <SillyDan> Imperialles: if they aren't used, take them out
[6:07 PM] <Commander_Jake> Ozzel: Interesting idea, but there's probably to many images to do that
[6:07 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hey now, there's older
[6:07 PM] <jSarek> Though any unused unsourced articles should be slaughtered on sight.
[6:07 PM] <JainaSolo> I'm 14
[6:07 PM] <AM88> That's a lot of images
[6:07 PM] <Istrancis> I agree with AM88, find the source!
[6:07 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I'm 19 by the way
[6:07 PM] <JohnMithic> i agree with ozzel
[6:07 PM] <C3POtheD> Not average, but mode maybe
[6:07 PM] <Commander_Jake> Cull: I'm 13, but I can contribute coherently
[6:07 PM] <Huntster> Even if every unsourced image was deleted now, it would not be difficult to go back and upload a new image for any given article and source properly.
[6:07 PM] <Imperialles> Shh.
[6:07 PM] <pdandy1994> if we get rid of nude pics then people are just gonna put them back
[6:07 PM] <RoronCorobb> im 11
[6:07 PM] <VladiusMagnum> if they're crappy or pixelated and aren't being used DELETE DELETE DELETE!
[6:07 PM] <pdandy1994> so it dont matter
[6:07 PM] <Bub> I'm 12
[6:07 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> im 12
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[6:07 PM] <riffsyphon1024> you youngun's
[6:07 PM] <Redemption> I don't think anyone cares what age anyone else is
[6:07 PM] <AM88> Pdandy: move on
[6:07 PM] <Imperialles> Stick to the topic, guys, or we will mute.
[6:07 PM] <sannse> at some point it will be possible to undelete images... which makes deleing them less of a problem
[6:07 PM] <JohnMithic> and i think peoples ages is irrelevant
[6:07 PM] <Ozzel> There are some good images in there; some that have been removed, some never put in articles, etc. I bet most of the uploadeds don't even know they're there.
[6:07 PM] <pdandy1994> ok
[6:07 PM] <pdandy1994> next topic
[6:07 PM] <Istrancis> I'm 18, just to mention that.
[6:07 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> For Deleting unsourced
[6:07 PM] <Whopper_> 23
[6:07 PM] <pdandy1994> 12
[6:07 PM] <LtNOWIS> if they're unused and unsourced, than they aren't really helping anything.
[6:08 PM] <Angela> There are not too many to start sourcing them. Wikipedia did it when it had hundreds of thousands and now everything is tagged and sourced.
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[6:08 PM] <Madfoot713> 980
[6:08 PM] <riffsyphon1024> moving on
[6:08 PM] <LtNOWIS> and I'm 17
[6:08 PM] <Jwebb13> Let's try to get rid of the ones that are too dark to be seen, also.
[6:08 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:08 PM] <Whopper_> agree
[6:08 PM] <RoronCorobb> am i the tiniest one her?
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[6:08 PM] <RoronCorobb> here
[6:08 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes
[6:08 PM] <Darth_Culator> Yes, to Jwebb13 you listen.
[6:08 PM] <AM88> It just takes some time- do the work we need done
[6:08 PM] <Imperialles> Angela: Interesting.
[6:08 PM] <Sompeetalay> Why should we delete unsource images?
[6:08 PM] <Darth_Culator> Dark pics annoys me.
[6:08 PM] <pdandy1994> the really small pictures that you cant see should too
[6:08 PM] <Sompeetalay> d*
[6:08 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we need to at least see if there isnt a duplicate already, and use it if it can be used
[6:08 PM] <Imperialles> I propose we establish a WikiProject dedicated to fixing the image issue.
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[6:08 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:08 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Next Topic:Featured/good article revamp proposal. --Imp 20:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)" Anyone heard of it?
[6:08 PM] <riffsyphon1024> good idea
[6:08 PM] <Imperialles> Sssh.
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[6:08 PM] <Havac> I'm for the WookieeProject
[6:08 PM] <JohnMithic> imp is right
[6:08 PM] <Ozzel> Sounds good, Imp.
[6:08 PM] <Commander_Jake> Vladius: No. What is it?
[6:08 PM] <Redemption> As long as I keep my images...I guarantee all of my images are of fair use.
[6:08 PM] <Xwing328> sounds good
[6:08 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah same here imp
[6:08 PM] <SillyDan> Vladius: we're not done with the images yet, Please let Imp run the meeting.
[6:09 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> imp, yes please
[6:09 PM] <Sentry_> dark pics are easy to fix...
[6:09 PM] <Imperialles> Great. I will create the WookieeProject after the Mofference.
[6:09 PM] <VladiusMagnum> okay
[6:09 PM] <Jwebb13> No, and to the last topic, maybe we can add a "To be deleted" section to WP: Maintenance.
[6:09 PM] <Huntster> Agreed with Imperialles. WikiProject time.
[6:09 PM] <Ineedaname> Could we incorporate some other stuff into the WookieeProject?
[6:09 PM] <Commander_Jake> Agree with Havac and Imps
[6:09 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:09 PM] <Bub> Like what?
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[6:09 PM] <Imperialles> The project will search for uses for unused images as well.
[6:09 PM] <Istrancis> Olay, that's great Imp, thanks!
[6:09 PM] <AM88> Which Wookieeproject?
[6:09 PM] <Imperialles> Of course, INN.
[6:09 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:09 PM] <jSarek> Greetings Sporkie.
[6:09 PM] <pdandy1994> great idea imp
[6:09 PM] <Nightmare> I'm so confused...what are we discussing?
[6:09 PM] <Dunc> Damn...
[6:09 PM] <Huntster> Ineedaname, are images not a big enough project for hte time being?
[6:09 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we need to make sure those who uploaded continue to be alerted about the impending deletion, but i think its working
[6:09 PM] <AM88> Sounds good to me
[6:09 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Sporkie, heh
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[6:09 PM] <jSarek> Dunc: Eye, busy.
[6:09 PM] <Imperialles> We all agree. =)
[6:09 PM] <Ineedaname> I mean more than just sourcing images
[6:10 PM] <Huntster> perhaps at first, just images. If that becomes a managable task, then include other items.
[6:10 PM] <pdandy1994> so what we doin next ?
[6:10 PM] <jSarek> Grr, meant "Aye."
[6:10 PM] <Ineedaname> Fixing categories and finding duplicates, etc
[6:10 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i try to fit in images where i can
[6:10 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:10 PM] <Xwing328> gtg
[6:10 PM] <pdandy1994> later
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[6:10 PM] <riffsyphon1024> later X
[6:10 PM] <jSarek> Bye Xwing.
[6:10 PM] <Imperialles> ALright, a project will be established.
[6:10 PM] <Ozzel> It's certainly manageable; it just needs to be managed.
[6:10 PM] <Imperialles> Moving on.
[6:10 PM] <Nightmare> see ya
[6:10 PM] <riffsyphon1024> check one
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[6:10 PM] <Imperialles> FA revamp.
[6:10 PM] <pdandy1994> k
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[6:10 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Needs to be managed, agree with Ozzel
[6:10 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i have no say in this since i dont work on FAs
[6:10 PM] <Malak501> is this moffreference
[6:10 PM] <Havac> Ohboy.
[6:10 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: What exactly would be involved in this "revamp"?
[6:10 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Featured Article system revamp.''
[6:10 PM] <Whopper_> yes
[6:10 PM] <AM88> Needs a better system of objections
[6:10 PM] <Huntster> Would it be possible to not allow an image to be uploaded if no source was provided? Perhaps recode the upload page to have a box that you must write in the source?
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[6:11 PM] <Imperialles> I will present it now, please be quiet.
[6:11 PM] <VladiusMagnum> thank you, Culator
[6:11 PM] <pdandy1994> k
[6:11 PM] <Istrancis> Alright, well I've gotta head off, since I have to be up early in the morning, and it's 11:10pm here. Seeya everyone, and good luck.
[6:11 PM] * Darth_Culator will mute people if necessary.
[6:11 PM] <sannse> Huntster: people would just add nonsense
[6:11 PM] <Havac> We need the ability to overrule old, fixed objections
[6:11 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> DCulator, please do
[6:11 PM] <Redemption> It'd be easier if we had a tab like function with the sources like we had with the licensing
[6:11 PM] <Nightmare> Yes
[6:11 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> And I'm sorry for the stupid abbreviation
[6:11 PM] <AM88> Let Imp speak!
[6:11 PM] <Imperialles> I want to change the FA system to resemble Wikiepedia's.
[6:11 PM] <Malak501> Is this moffreference
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[6:11 PM] <pdandy1994> yes let
[6:11 PM] <GHe> yes
[6:11 PM] <Imperialles> Good article serving as peer review (stricter criteria), featured article would mean "featured on the main page," whereas "Good article" would be the mark of quality.
[6:11 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes malak
[6:11 PM] <Huntster> true. there are other options, though. Drop down box with broad subjects. something, anything...
[6:11 PM] <Jwebb13> I may be jumping ahead, but does QOTD stand for, other than "Queen of the Damned?"
[6:12 PM] <Whopper_> yea
[6:12 PM] <Imperialles> Featured articles chosen from the pool of Good articles.
[6:12 PM] <AM88> LET IMP SPEAK!
[6:12 PM] <Huntster> Quote of the Day
[6:12 PM] <VladiusMagnum> how is that different from the current system?
[6:12 PM] <JohnMithic> quote of the day
[6:12 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: Would we have an FA a day, then?
[6:12 PM] <pdandy1994> h/o brb
[6:12 PM] <Havac> Would we then have something analogous to the current GAs, which are quality but short due to limited content?
[6:12 PM] <JohnMithic> k
[6:12 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp is speaking, weren't you listening?
[6:12 PM] <Imperialles> That way we separate front page content from the article review
[6:12 PM] <SillyDan> we'd have a FA a week, same as before
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[6:12 PM] <Jwebb13> Thanks, guys. Sorry, for interrupting.
[6:12 PM] <C3POtheD> No, not enough good articles to last us that long
[6:12 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp, I like that idea
[6:12 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: Would we have an FA a day, then?
[6:12 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, Havac. I propose we change the Peer review site.
[6:12 PM] <jSarek> Imp: What then about the shorter articles that our current Good mark is for, that aren't featured quality simply because there's not enough info to make them truly of that level?
[6:12 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah lets have a fa day
[6:12 PM] <riffsyphon1024> that seems like too much for one a day
[6:12 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It would need a huge effort to make more "good articles" though
[6:12 PM] <pdandy1994> a day
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[6:13 PM] <pdandy1994> *
[6:13 PM] <Imperialles> They will be known as A-Class articles
[6:13 PM] <AM88> Some articles have already surpassed "good" level
[6:13 PM] <Malak501> FA!
[6:13 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Right. Not enough good articles to do that. We'd burn them like America and its stereotyped fossil fuels
[6:13 PM] <LtNOWIS> We can't have a FA a day, we'd run out.
[6:13 PM] <GHe> yeah :P
[6:13 PM] <Malak501> ture
[6:13 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah good point
[6:13 PM] <riffsyphon1024> FA a week
[6:13 PM] <Whopper_> ya
[6:13 PM] <RoronCorobb> definitely
[6:13 PM] <Malak501> true
[6:13 PM] <Ozzel> Yes, one a week, please.
[6:13 PM] <AM88> FA a week
[6:13 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:13 PM] <Imperialles> The WP:Peer review page will be changed so users can put articles into an article assessment system
[6:13 PM] <JainaSolo> yeah
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[6:13 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> LtNOWIS, can you be more right?
[6:13 PM] <Bub> One FA a week
[6:13 PM] <Nightmare> Yeah
[6:13 PM] <C3POtheD> Agree
[6:13 PM] <Commander_Jake> I agree with an FA a week.
[6:13 PM] <SadrielFett> I think one a week sounds good.
[6:13 PM] <Sompeetalay> Agree
[6:13 PM] <JainaSolo> GAree
[6:13 PM] <mattymoron> One a week
[6:14 PM] <Malak501> Yes
[6:14 PM] <Whopper_> one fa a wk sounds good :)
[6:14 PM] <Havac> I don't know -- we're already huting enough for quality that anything to make GA would have to end up featured anyway, though
[6:14 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I like the current system, actually
[6:14 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> yup
[6:14 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> yup
[6:14 PM] <Nightmare> completly agree
[6:14 PM] <Jwebb13> agree
[6:14 PM] <GHe> yep
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[6:14 PM] <Whopper_> lol
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> ok so its official
[6:14 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i like the way Wikipedia ranks articles in terms of importance too
[6:14 PM] <JediMaster76> Im back
[6:14 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: completely agree
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[6:14 PM] <Whopper_> wb
[6:14 PM] <RoronCorobb> star wars only goes so far, eventually we might run out of articles to be featured
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> one FA a week
[6:14 PM] <VladiusMagnum> FA a week is the best way
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[6:14 PM] <Imperialles> The system overall would work like this:
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:14 PM] <Dunc> Could just repeat from a cycle...
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> a month is too long
[6:14 PM] <sannse> RoronCorobb: you could rotate them then
[6:14 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It might just bring up further problems
[6:14 PM] <Imperialles> Peer review: Rates articles on a scale from Bad to A-class
[6:14 PM] <DarthBane> NO STAR WARS IS FOREVER
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[6:14 PM] <Dunc> Articles get updated, even good ones get improved over time
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> and 2 weeks would be too long too
[6:14 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I said that, Roron
[6:14 PM] <Malak501> legacy
[6:14 PM] <Imperialles> A-class being equivalent to GA today
[6:14 PM] <pdandy1994> ok next topic
[6:15 PM] <SillyDan> good articles also deteriorate, sadly
[6:15 PM] <AM88> NO!
[6:15 PM] <Havac> not next topic
[6:15 PM] <emperor_sam> But the things contained in the star wars universe arent, darthbane.
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[6:15 PM] <riffsyphon1024> what would a D-class be, if it existed
[6:15 PM] <Madfoot713> Star Wars... isn't infinite?
[6:15 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Quit trying to run the thing
[6:15 PM] <Nightmare> How about a FA every ten days?
[6:15 PM] <Istrancis> Hmm...I like the idea of rating the articles!
[6:15 PM] <Malak501> If i keep writing books yeah
[6:15 PM] <Whopper_> Madfoot713: nope.
[6:15 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> How many classes would there be?
[6:15 PM] <riffsyphon1024> nightmare: gets uneven
[6:15 PM] <Istrancis> What's FA stand for?
[6:15 PM] <Madfoot713> V_V
[6:15 PM] <JohnMithic> i think there should be more improvement drives so more articles could be FAs
[6:15 PM] <LtNOWIS> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment
[6:15 PM] <Whopper_> featured article
[6:15 PM] <VladiusMagnum> It is, but at a certain rate
[6:15 PM] <Bub> Featured Article
[6:15 PM] <Dunc> a week is easier to keep track of
[6:15 PM] <AM88> Featured article
[6:15 PM] <GHe> Featured article
[6:15 PM] <RoronCorobb> featured article
[6:15 PM] <VladiusMagnum> FEATURED ARTICLE
[6:15 PM] <GHe> ...
[6:15 PM] <Nightmare> Ok
[6:15 PM] <Whopper_> lol
[6:15 PM] <pdandy1994> he gets it
[6:15 PM] <JediMaster76> featured article
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[6:15 PM] <riffsyphon1024> heh
[6:15 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> hehehe
[6:16 PM] <Havac> It would jump from A to Featured, correct? No more GA?
[6:16 PM] <JainaSolo> lol
[6:16 PM] <Imperialles> No no.
[6:16 PM] <DarthBane> DARTH BANE!!!!
[6:16 PM] <Malak501> no
[6:16 PM] <Istrancis> Ah, of course, thanks everyone!
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[6:16 PM] <JediMaster76> ....
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[6:16 PM] <Jwebb13> Where would we post the rating? Behind the Scenes?
[6:16 PM] <Imperialles> A-class = GAs as of today.
[6:16 PM] <Bub> ...
[6:16 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hope we dont confuse a F-class with a Featured Class
[6:16 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> How are the classes arranged?
[6:16 PM] <JediMaster76> lol
[6:16 PM] <RoronCorobb> ...
[6:16 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Is it A, B, C, D, F?
[6:16 PM] <Malak501> ...
[6:16 PM] <Imperialles> GA = FAs as of today.
[6:16 PM] <VladiusMagnum> like elementary school grades
[6:16 PM] <Huntster> JohnMithic, wouldn't be difficult. How about someone can nominate an article for FA status, and then others can go through the nomination list and begin improving them if they aren't up to par already.
[6:16 PM] <Malak501> great
[6:16 PM] <Jwebb13> Maybe Alpha- Beta- Theta- etc.?
[6:16 PM] <RoronCorobb> awesome
[6:16 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no
[6:16 PM] <JediMaster76> that'd be cool
[6:16 PM] <Imperialles> FA will only mean "has been featured on the main page".
[6:16 PM] <Nightmare> E, D, C, B, A, *? How about that?
[6:16 PM] <SadrielFett> I think that looks really good LtNowis.
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[6:16 PM] <Istrancis> I've really gotta go, bye!
[6:16 PM] <SillyDan> Next person to just post ... gets kicked -- you're not contributing.
[6:17 PM] <DarthBane> there should be a featured game
[6:17 PM] <JediMaster76> k
[6:17 PM] <Imperialles> See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imperialles/Sandbox
[6:17 PM] <Malak501> not enough
[6:17 PM] <VladiusMagnum> no! FAs are more special than that
[6:17 PM] <jSarek> Bye lstrancis.
[6:17 PM] <Nightmare> E being lowest, * being highest?
[6:17 PM] <riffsyphon1024> might work nightmare
[6:17 PM] <DarthBane> like once a month
[6:17 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: thanks for that
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[6:17 PM] <Malak501> FA game everymonth
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[6:17 PM] <pdandy1994> darth band i agree
[6:17 PM] <Madfoot713> It think a week is good.
[6:17 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Sorry I'm late.
[6:17 PM] <riffsyphon1024> to prevent against F confusion
[6:17 PM] <pdandy1994> bane*
[6:17 PM] <Malak501> a week is great
[6:17 PM] <Atarumaster> That's a lot of work
[6:17 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:17 PM] <JediMaster76> week
[6:17 PM] <riffsyphon1024> welcome fourdot
[6:17 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: Looks good to me.
[6:17 PM] <Madfoot713> You're late; go sit in the corner.
[6:17 PM] <jSarek> Greetings fourdot.
[6:17 PM] <DarthBane> no there anrt that many games for once a month
[6:17 PM] <RoronCorobb> hi fourdot
[6:17 PM] <GHe> bienvenue
[6:18 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we're talking about Featured Articles
[6:18 PM] <VladiusMagnum> this is not about videogames, it is about articles. Go back to your gaming hobo-holes
[6:18 PM] <Huntster> Would A-class be considered FA nominee, or could another category be created for those, such as FA-N ?
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[6:18 PM] <Whopper_> perhaps
[6:18 PM] <DarthBane> or week i mean
[6:18 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> So what was the deal with A-Class? Just a name change?
[6:18 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Sorry.
[6:18 PM] <Imperialles> We would copy the Article Assessment from Wikipedia and merge it with our Peer review system
[6:18 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> OK.
[6:18 PM] <Malak501> Thats only 52 FAs a year
[6:18 PM] <jSarek> Hi McEwok.
[6:18 PM] <Sompeetalay> couldn't we get more FA's from the movies? It's more representative for SW to the general public ?
[6:18 PM] <VladiusMagnum> sup, fourdot
[6:18 PM] <Nightmare> I still think that E-* would work
[6:18 PM] <RoronCorobb> have a detention fourdot, you're late for class
[6:18 PM] <C3POtheD> There are plenty of games, just not that many notable ones
[6:18 PM] <Atarumaster> So?
[6:18 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> A is near FA on Wikipedia
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[6:18 PM] <Imperialles> Sompeetalay: Notability has nothing to do with FAs.
[6:18 PM] <GHe> hey Jack
[6:18 PM] <Imperialles> I know, fourdot.
[6:18 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> FAs would have to be chosen from the GAs correct?
[6:18 PM] <JediMaster76> Hey Adm. Jack
[6:18 PM] <Istrancis> Yeah, the FAs should be bi weekly or something. Maybe daily when we have more articles!!!
[6:18 PM] <Huntster> Thefourdotelipsi, indeed.
[6:18 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Not quite
[6:18 PM] <riffsyphon1024> but we cover every aspect
[6:18 PM] <Imperialles> FA would only mean "featured on the main page"
[6:19 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> So getting an article featured is like a two step process then?
[6:19 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:19 PM] <SillyDan> Personally, I'd like more articles which aren't characters to be on the main page
[6:19 PM] <Atarumaster> We are talking about the system of FAs
[6:19 PM] <Imperialles> GA would mean "the best articles on Wookieepedia"
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[6:19 PM] <Imperialles> A-class would mean "not quite FA"
[6:19 PM] <Atarumaster> Greetings Admiral
[6:19 PM] <Madfoot713> Lol Istrancis said bi.
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[6:19 PM] <riffsyphon1024> its all about quality
[6:19 PM] <pdandy1994> yeah
[6:19 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: I understand
[6:19 PM] <RuneHaako> Hey Jack!
[6:19 PM] <Atarumaster> No, FAs should be one per week
[6:19 PM] <Malak501> yes
[6:19 PM] <Havac> IRC isn't the best place for details. I think we can agree we want this, details will be made clear on the Wookiee proper.
[6:19 PM] <Jwebb13> I agree with Silly Dan
[6:19 PM] <VladiusMagnum> THIS IS NOT ABOUT GAMES IT IS ABOUT FEATURED ARTICLES AND THE POLICIES GO BACK TO YOUR HOBO HOLES
[6:19 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Just ignore the stupid, FA timelimit banter
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[6:19 PM] <Malak501> I cant get mymessage through
[6:19 PM] <shadowphobia> Once per week, I think
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[6:19 PM] <Jack_Nebulax> Hey, everyone. Sorry I'm late.
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[6:19 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> jack
[6:19 PM] <emperor_sam> We could relate the best articles back to star wars.
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[6:19 PM] <riffsyphon1024> E-D-C-B-A-GA-(FA)
[6:19 PM] <jSarek> Greetings JAck.
[6:20 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Darth Oblivion, Que pasa?
[6:20 PM] <Malak501> thanks silly dan
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[6:20 PM] <LtNOWIS> So, some of the old, less good FAs from long ago, like Boba Fett, wouldn't neccesarily be GAs, because they no longer are meet our standards, correct?
[6:20 PM] <Nightmare> How about E, D, C, B, A, S, *? * being FA
[6:20 PM] <Imperialles> How about this: We will work out a complete proposal and present it for CT.
[6:20 PM] <Atarumaster> Thanks Riff
[6:20 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, NOWIS.
[6:20 PM] <Havac> We can work out the letter names later
[6:20 PM] <DarthBane> what about a featured person
[6:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> I've got 3 articles up for FA at the moment. Sad.
[6:20 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, how would old FAs hold up then?
[6:20 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: sounds good to me
[6:20 PM] <RoronCorobb> we got a ton of users here
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[6:20 PM] <Huntster> LtNOWIS, sounds right, but it wouldn't be hard to revamp them to standards.
[6:20 PM] <Atarumaster> Yes, Imp
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[6:20 PM] <Malak501> cant you repeat articles from long ago
[6:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Review old ones
[6:20 PM] <Malak501> or would that be against standards?
[6:20 PM] <Istrancis> Anyway, I've really gotta go, bye!
[6:20 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Might as well bump to CT then
[6:20 PM] <Bub> We could do that
[6:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Ferus Olin, for instance, is in a lot of trouble
[6:20 PM] <SillyDan> Malak501: no, articles get on the front page once
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[6:20 PM] <mattymoron> 23
[6:20 PM] <LtNOWIS> I mean, if you look at the FAs from 2005, they really aren't as good nowadays.
[6:21 PM] <Atarumaster> What about the old objections?
[6:21 PM] <riffsyphon1024> Short stub-longer stub-medium article-longer article-expansive article-most detailed
[6:21 PM] <JediMaster76> Dang, one leaves, two join
[6:21 PM] <Bub> OH
[6:21 PM] <Imperialles> The meeting is too busy to discuss details, discussion is moved to CT.
[6:21 PM] <Imperialles> Next topic!
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[6:21 PM] <JediMaster76> Hey Grand, John
[6:21 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> So a system to rereview old FAs will be implemented then?
[6:21 PM] <Huntster> The point of FA status is to encourage editors to create better articles, so reusing old ones serves no purpose.
[6:21 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> A few of them are
[6:21 PM] <Malak501> dang
[6:21 PM] <DarthBane> has a new book for the last jedi come out yet
[6:21 PM] <Havac> I support a FA review
[6:21 PM] <JediMaster76> same here
[6:21 PM] <Imperialles> Let us discuss this later.
[6:21 PM] <jSarek> Agreed on punt to CT.
[6:21 PM] <Imperialles> For now, we have a lot of agenda to cover. =)
[6:21 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Second Havac
[6:21 PM] <SillyDan> ok. so shall we go to the next topic?
[6:21 PM] <pdandy1994> imp said lets move to a new topic
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[6:21 PM] <Malak501> theres a lot of old FAs that no one has seen
[6:22 PM] <riffsyphon1024> dammit, i know this lag would effect things
[6:22 PM] <Malak501> i vote we repeat
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[6:22 PM] <pdandy1994> lets
[6:22 PM] <JediMaster76> whats next on the adgenda
[6:22 PM] <Bub> Next topic now.
[6:22 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, FA review is a must
[6:22 PM] <Malak501> old ones
[6:22 PM] <Nightmare> Yes
[6:22 PM] <DarthOblivion> Yo.
[6:22 PM] <Wookieeperial> Hello?
[6:22 PM] <JainaSolo> What's CT?
[6:22 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp: What's the next topic?
[6:22 PM] <Jwebb13> Okay, moving on...
[6:22 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> I really don't see the problem with QOTD at the moment
[6:22 PM] <riffsyphon1024> new topic
[6:22 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Consensus Track
[6:22 PM] <Imperialles> QOTD cleanup and possible adoption of the proposed QOTD policy.
[6:22 PM] <jSarek> JainaSolo: Consensus Track.
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[6:22 PM] <Nightmare> I HAVE A FNUCKIN' 15 SECOND LAG!!!
[6:22 PM] <SillyDan> which proposed QOTD policy?
[6:22 PM] <RoronCorobb> consensus track
[6:22 PM] <Ineedaname> Only problem with QOTD is that Vader Sessions isn't QOTD yet :P
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[6:22 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Can we get some more punts DAn?
[6:22 PM] <Malak501> so do i
[6:22 PM] <riffsyphon1024> calm nightmare so do i
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[6:22 PM] <JainaSolo> jSarek: Thanks
[6:23 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, that's sad.
[6:23 PM] <JohnMithic> I think QOTD should be moved back up to the top of the MP
[6:23 PM] <Sompeetalay> See ya later, it's past midnight in Belgium !
[6:23 PM] <Havac> ChatZilla has no lag; I recommend it
[6:23 PM] <MoffRebus> may the force be with you, guyz
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[6:23 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I disagree with the QOTD being moved back to the top
[6:23 PM] <jSarek> G'nyte Somp.
[6:23 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, I liked it ther.
[6:23 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It's fine where it is
[6:23 PM] <DarkSpork> Chatzilla or mIRC
[6:23 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> e.
[6:23 PM] <Imperialles> It's fine where it is.
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[6:23 PM] <Malak501> why are you talking about queen of the dammned
[6:23 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hello spork
[6:23 PM] <Jwebb13> The only problem I'm seeing w/QOTD is that there are too damned many good lines to use.
[6:23 PM] <Nightmare> What are we even discussing?
[6:23 PM] <DarkSpork> I don't think a client can handle this traffic...
[6:23 PM] <Havac> QOTD top of the column; it's better cisible
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[6:23 PM] <pdandy1994> what we talkin bout?
[6:23 PM] <Huntster> Malak, its Quote of the Day.
[6:23 PM] <pdandy1994> wait never mind
[6:23 PM] <Adamwankenobi> I think it takes up too much space at the top.
[6:23 PM] <Malak501> this is moffreference
[6:23 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Second Adam
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[6:23 PM] <Commander_Jake> What's the new QOTD policy?
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[6:24 PM] <Jwebb13> Nightmare: I'm on a 15-second lag too, if it helps.
[6:24 PM] <DarthOblivion> We're still arguing about that?
[6:24 PM] <JohnMithic> and i think more people should vote
[6:24 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Eh. Give or take. It's not really important.
[6:24 PM] <Nightmare> I like QOTD right where it is
[6:24 PM] <riffsyphon1024> mofference*
[6:24 PM] <Split_Nemisis> It does take up too much space at the top of the page.
[6:24 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> You can't force people to vote
[6:24 PM] <Malak501> then why is is qotd
[6:24 PM] <Imperialles> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:QOTD_vote_counting_and_timeouts is the proposed policy
[6:24 PM] <Havac> top of one of the side columns mixes visiblitiy with saving space
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[6:24 PM] <Imperialles> Does anyone disagree?
[6:24 PM] <mattymoron> I think QOTD is fine where its at.
[6:24 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I still say it's fine near the bottom
[6:24 PM] <Huntster> Aye, Fine as-is.
[6:24 PM] <SadrielFett> I kind of liked the guote of the day towards the top.
[6:24 PM] <jSarek> Hi McEwok.
[6:24 PM] <McEwok> Hey?
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[6:24 PM] <Malak501> it is
[6:24 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, I suppose it is.
[6:25 PM] <Nightmare> Me to
[6:25 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hey mcewok, we're talking about QOTD
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[6:25 PM] <Bub> So do I.
[6:25 PM] <Imperialles> We aren't discussing the template placement, we are discussing the policy.
[6:25 PM] <shadowphobia> I think quote would be better higher...
[6:25 PM] <Imperialles> Which can be read here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:QOTD_vote_counting_and_timeouts
[6:25 PM] <jSarek> McEwok: I thought you and Wookieeperial were the same?
[6:25 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It's nowhere near as important as the stuff that already occupies the top of the page
[6:25 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> yup
[6:25 PM] <Havac> proposed policy looks good
[6:25 PM] <Commander_Jake> Imp:Imp: Sounds good to me.
[6:25 PM] <Darth_Culator> Looks good to me.
[6:25 PM] <Malak501> yes more people can see
[6:25 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> wow super lag
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[6:25 PM] <riffsyphon1024> good here
[6:25 PM] <SillyDan> let's start another Senate Hall discussion on placement of the quote and not talk about it here
[6:25 PM] <JohnMithic> good proposal
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[6:25 PM] <DarthOblivion> No preference.
[6:25 PM] <Ineedaname> I agree with the policy
[6:25 PM] <Atarumaster88> What policy?
[6:25 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, it's good stuff.
[6:25 PM] <Madfoot713> IP: Should be 1/2.
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[6:25 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Second Dan
[6:25 PM] <Commander_Jake> Looks like the lag is beginning to catch up.
[6:25 PM] <Imperialles> Now, if anyone has any objections to the proposed policy, speak now.
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[6:25 PM] <Nightmare> Yeah it is
[6:26 PM] <Malak501> so do i
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[6:26 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> elipsi? What am I, plural?
[6:26 PM] <Malak501> policy is good
[6:26 PM] <Atarumaster88> What policy?
[6:26 PM] <JM76|unavailable> Gotta go BBL
[6:26 PM] <Madfoot713> IP votes should be 1/2.
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[6:26 PM] <Commander_Jake> None here.
[6:26 PM] <Imperialles> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:QOTD_vote_counting_and_timeouts
[6:26 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis, yes you are
[6:26 PM] <jSarek> Greetings Sentry.
[6:26 PM] <GHe> Thefourdotelipsi: name too long
[6:26 PM] <riffsyphon1024> welcome sentry
[6:26 PM] <Darth_Culator> Nicks get 16 letters.
[6:26 PM] <Huntster> policy sounds good.
[6:26 PM] <JainaSolo> I like the policy
[6:26 PM] <Imperialles> Great.
[6:26 PM] <Nightmare> Oh..my...god...30 second lag
[6:26 PM] <pdandy1994> im gonna be back later
[6:26 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: no objections. I say it's policy
[6:26 PM] <Atarumaster88> Thanks
[6:26 PM] <jSarek> Policy looks good.
[6:26 PM] <JohnMithic> what is IP?
[6:26 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, we all have lag
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[6:26 PM] <LtNOWIS> IP = anonomous user.
[6:26 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> GHe, I know. Sarcasm
[6:26 PM] <Ineedaname> IP votes should be forbidden, I could easily vote for something, log out and then vote with my IP as well
[6:26 PM] <Zanapa> why can there be no more wookiee jedi?
[6:27 PM] <Malak501> freaking *******
[6:27 PM] <Imperialles> A new QOTD policy has been passed.
[6:27 PM] <Bub> policy is good
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[6:27 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, IP votes shouldn't be allowed, second I needaname
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[6:27 PM] <VladiusMagnum> The policy is fine as it is
[6:27 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> John, IP is anons
[6:27 PM] <Jwebb13> I'm fine with it as is.
[6:27 PM] <Imperialles> Moving on.
[6:27 PM] <Atarumaster88> mute Zanapa
[6:27 PM] <Darth_Culator> Zanapa: Not a general SW chat.
[6:27 PM] <Imperialles> Usage of Hyperspace content.
[6:27 PM] <Malak501> dont throw me
[6:27 PM] <riffsyphon1024> could i recommend some of the lesser known users quit for now to lessen the lag?
[6:27 PM] <RoronCorobb> irrelevant
[6:27 PM] <Commander_Jake> Ineedaname: Agreed.
[6:27 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Zanapa, because GL got ticked off by Lowbacca
[6:27 PM] <Malak501> there never has been, Zanapa
[6:27 PM] <Imperialles> We need to establish a policy regarding usage of Hyperspace content.
[6:27 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Zanapa, I suggest you get updated on the conversation
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[6:27 PM] <RoronCorobb> Lowbacca was one
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[6:27 PM] <DarkSpork> Riff, users aren'tr causing the lag
[6:27 PM] * Darth_Culator hasn't been forced to mute anyone *yet*.
[6:27 PM] <Commander_Jake> Next topic, Imp>
[6:27 PM] <RoronCorobb> Tyvokka also
[6:27 PM] <Commander_Jake> *?
[6:27 PM] <Zanapa> lowbacca rules!!!
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[6:28 PM] <Imperialles> New topic: Usage of Hyperspace content.
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[6:28 PM] <Malak501> too much interference on my computer
[6:28 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Spork: agreed, though I still agree with riff
[6:28 PM] <Ozzel> As far as those colorized AJ images go: fair use policay says that if there is a "more free" alternative, use it.
[6:28 PM] <djreed> there was also a WOTC female force-sensitive Wookiee
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[6:28 PM] <riffsyphon1024> then lets stick to the topics at hand
[6:28 PM] <Malak501> Hyperspace is no good
[6:28 PM] <Jwebb13> What's the matter with the current usage of Hyperspace content?
[6:28 PM] <Malak501> cut it
[6:28 PM] <DarkSpork> Hypwerspace: Don't. Trust me.
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[6:28 PM] <Atarumaster88> What's the matter?
[6:28 PM] <DarthOblivion> Is it my computer or did everyone just post at once?
[6:28 PM] <Ineedaname> I don't trust the idea of using Hyperspace content, unless we're just posting a summary of a story there or something
[6:28 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Alrighty - exclusive content is a big no-no, but things like telling people what the next WTS is is OK.
[6:28 PM] <Nightmare> Hyperspace? What's the problem? You have to be a mber there anyway...
[6:28 PM] <DarkSpork> Unless it's something avaliable from another source, like the game concepts earlier this year.
[6:28 PM] <Jack_Nebulax> Stupid lag...
[6:28 PM] <Imperialles> We should establish a policy of using absolutely no exculsively-Hyperspace content AT ALL.
[6:28 PM] <LtNOWIS> My take on Hyperspace content: We shouldn't post any images from the "Gallery of images" features, because the whole point is that you pay to see the image.
[6:28 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, I can see us getting into a lot of trouble
[6:28 PM] <riffsyphon1024> just summarize hyperspace
[6:28 PM] <RoronCorobb> huge...lag
[6:28 PM] <Commander_Jake> I personally believe we should keep Hyperspace stuff. Star Wars fans shouldn't pay for SW stuff. Luvas has enough money already.
[6:28 PM] <Malak501> Hyperspace content no good
[6:28 PM] <Havac> I'm okay with including hyperspace information
[6:28 PM] <Malak501> ban it
[6:28 PM] <Malak501> or delete it
[6:29 PM] <VladiusMagnum> You should still use it if its canon
[6:29 PM] <LtNOWIS> But if it's a crop of something from a webcomic, I don't see the problem.
[6:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> What about legality issues?
[6:29 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Jake, sorry we can't do that
[6:29 PM] <DarkSpork> They DO send out C&Ds for Hyperspace
[6:29 PM] <Huntster> Indeed. Usage of Hyperspace material could constitute copyright violations.
[6:29 PM] <jSarek> I think we figured that single frames from the webcomics were fair use.
[6:29 PM] <Havac> No wholesale inclusion of content
[6:29 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Crop of something from webcomic = OK
[6:29 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I guess so
[6:29 PM] <Huntster> especially images.
[6:29 PM] <Havac> Crops OK
[6:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> What about storylines, etc.
[6:29 PM] <Imperialles> Dark Spork is a moderator on StarWars.com. She knows alot about how the site works.
[6:29 PM] <SillyDan> jSarek: that's what I always thought
[6:29 PM] <Adamwankenobi> The actual content shouldn't be included. But if it is information, we can paraphrase it.
[6:29 PM] <Malak501> images are good
[6:29 PM] <Jwebb13> Well, if the hyperspace content doesn't fall under canon or add anything valid, then I vote in favor of banning its usage.
[6:29 PM] <Malak501> dont delete those
[6:29 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> So then how about a crop of a colored AJ pic?
[6:29 PM] <JainaSolo> You mena like stories, images, etc.?
[6:29 PM] <VladiusMagnum> but no articles copied directly from hyperspace
[6:29 PM] <Imperialles> If she says don't use Hyperspace content, we shouldn't.
[6:29 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no reason to display plot in comics, only show item within them
[6:29 PM] <JohnMithic> using hyperspace only material might be some sort of crime
[6:29 PM] <SadrielFett> I see no reason why we can't use Hyperspace content.
[6:29 PM] <Malak501> yes so do i
[6:29 PM] <Ozzel> Yes, Spork is right. LFL really does care about sites useing Hyperspace stuff. We should avoid it like the plague.
[6:29 PM] <JainaSolo> mean*
[6:29 PM] <Commander_Jake> Cull: I agree.
[6:29 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Storylines? Hey, it's SW, it's a duty to document it.
[6:29 PM] <DarkSpork> You can paraphrase info, storylines, etcs.
[6:29 PM] <Nightmare> How about just main images or mugshots of character with no other source of images, but nothing else?
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[6:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> Agree with DarkSpork, yes
[6:29 PM] <Malak501> mix up hyperspace content with other sources
[6:30 PM] <jSarek> Geeze, guys, is it that hard to just use the *actual* AJ image?
[6:30 PM] <LtNOWIS> For example, I would think this would be ok: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:R2-D0.jpg
[6:30 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Summarise stuff like Evasive Action, but don't copy it wholesale.
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[6:30 PM] <Malak501> It would be more starwars like
[6:30 PM] <DarkSpork> But don't take the images until they're free and clear. The webcomics I'm not sure about.
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[6:30 PM] <Palpy> yes why would it hurt to use HySp content on WP?
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[6:30 PM] <Havac> minimal usage of crops
[6:30 PM] <Atarumaster88> copyright vio
[6:30 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> jSarek, no, but the colored images are soooo much cooler :P
[6:30 PM] <Huntster> The idea is, Hyperspace is a revenue source for LFL. Lets try not to impinge upon it.
[6:30 PM] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:YoungIsard-EAP18.png seems like the kind of thing that would be OK.
[6:30 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Once again, I agree with Elipsi
[6:30 PM] <Malak501> copyright vio
[6:30 PM] <Imperialles> If we *really* need an image from a webcomic, I suggest we contact Star Wars.com and ask for permission to use an image.
[6:30 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we have to make sacrifices sometimes
[6:30 PM] <Atarumaster88> Yes
[6:30 PM] <jSarek> Cull: We will survive.
[6:30 PM] <Malak501> yes Imperialles
[6:30 PM] <Nightmare> Imp: yeah
[6:30 PM] <Commander_Jake> Agree with Imp.
[6:30 PM] <Malak501> I agree
[6:30 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> jSarek: Will we?
[6:30 PM] <Imperialles> We do not want to get sued.
[6:30 PM] <emperor_sam> Do we have to use PNG images?
[6:31 PM] <Havac> We
[6:31 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> ya
[6:31 PM] <Malak501> of course not
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[6:31 PM] <SadrielFett> Someone could just grab a Hyperspace image, but the Hyperspace logo, and stick it on their page anyway. And besides, these are images that have come out before.
[6:31 PM] <emperor_sam> JPGs take up less space.
[6:31 PM] <riffsyphon1024> higher quality with PNGs
[6:31 PM] <VladiusMagnum> yeah who would pay?
[6:31 PM] <DarthOblivion> Inconvenient, but whatever
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[6:31 PM] <Redemption> PNGs are ONLY used for logos.
[6:31 PM] <Malak501> dont worry, we wont get sued
[6:31 PM] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:KoyiMateil.jpg meets Wikipedia's fair use guidelines, but we should really find an alternative whenever possible.
[6:31 PM] <Atarumaster88> I dunno about that!
[6:31 PM] <Havac> We've been using crops for how long and haven't gotten C&D? Current use is OK
[6:31 PM] <Malak501> but of course users can get us sued
[6:31 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> How the hell do you know?
[6:31 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Some, if not most, of the images from hyperspace, are exclusive content
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[6:31 PM] <Nightmare> yeah
[6:31 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, let's just avoid the exclusive stuff
[6:31 PM] <Nightmare> yeah
[6:31 PM] <VladiusMagnum> well, this is actually a tough argument
[6:31 PM] <Malak501> yes
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[6:31 PM] <jSarek> Maybe we should significantly crop down Koyi, though.
[6:31 PM] <DarkSpork> You may not get sued, but if you piss them off enough to could jeopardize the LFL-Wookiee relationp, which would affect other things. Like C4.
[6:31 PM] <riffsyphon1024> ok, next topic?
[6:32 PM] <Malak501> true magnum
[6:32 PM] <LtNOWIS> Darth_Culator: For stuff like that, there's no point, because you can just use a movie still.
[6:32 PM] <Ozzel> Yes, is there not a pic of Koyi Mateil in the prequels Chronicles book?
[6:32 PM] <Malak501> I recall you being kicked
[6:32 PM] <Jwebb13> Right; no pissing off George.
[6:32 PM] <Malak501> Vladious
[6:32 PM] <jSarek> Just a portrait shot, so we have less than the main site has.
[6:32 PM] <Bub> What's C4?
[6:32 PM] <Huntster> Just because a C&D hasn't happened yet, doens't mean we should continue abusing it. Just avoid Hyperspace material...
[6:32 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> DarkSpork: You're too cool.
[6:32 PM] <Darth_Culator> If someone could scan her, that would be good.
[6:32 PM] <Nightmare> Next topic please?
[6:32 PM] <riffsyphon1024> discuss C$ table?
[6:32 PM] <riffsyphon1024> C4*
[6:32 PM] <VladiusMagnum> we might need to actually send a letter or something to one of them SW-4 people (Lucas, Pena, Chee, etc.)
[6:32 PM] <DarthOblivion> Yes please
[6:32 PM] <DarthOblivion> damn lag
[6:32 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Lucas is hardly SW-4
[6:32 PM] <RoronCorobb> isn't C4 a kind of explosive
[6:32 PM] <riffsyphon1024> Celebration 4
[6:32 PM] <Malak501> dont use hyperspace material people, might get us sued by copyright
[6:32 PM] <RoronCorobb> ?
[6:32 PM] <Imperialles> We should have a good relationship with TOS and LucasArts. If we need to use restricted content, we should contact TOS.
[6:32 PM] <Atarumaster88> Celebration 4
[6:32 PM] <emperor_sam> Most of the hyperspace images find their way into the wider internet anyway
[6:32 PM] <jSarek> Celebration IV, big convention in LA in MAy.
[6:32 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Oh yeah, I forgot
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[6:33 PM] <Angela> I've been talking to WhiteBoy about Wikia supporting Celebration IV by donating Wookieepedia merchandise (t-shirts, leaflets, stickers) and paying part of the costs of renting a booth there (which is at least $1300). Money still needs to be raised for Wookieepedians to travel to the event though, and for the rest of the booth costs (perhaps half)
[6:33 PM] <Havac> limited crops that aren't the whole image
[6:33 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> I would be at C4...if it wasn't for the vast amount of water between here and it.
[6:33 PM] <DarkSpork> They come out in the Insider. I think Insider stuff is kosher.
[6:33 PM] <Commander_Jake> Roron: C4's going to be a blast. This year. :P
[6:33 PM] <SadrielFett> Exactly my point, Emperor Sam.
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[6:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> C4 isn't until later on the agenda.
[6:33 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: What constitutes a limited crop?
[6:33 PM] <DarkSpork> I'll be at C4, got plane tickets and everything.
[6:33 PM] <SadrielFett> I see now reason why we can't use them, then, either.
[6:33 PM] <Malak501> ask permission from starwars.con
[6:33 PM] <jSarek> Phew, that's still quite a bit of cash to raise for the table . . .
[6:33 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i calculated a $1000 trip just for me
[6:33 PM] <Malak501> .com
[6:33 PM] <Havac> not the whole image, Cull
[6:33 PM] <riffsyphon1024> probably wont make it
[6:33 PM] <jSarek> I'll be at C4, too; don't even need plane tickets. ;-)
[6:33 PM] <DarthOblivion> C4 is an explosive. Ironic
[6:33 PM] <AceofAces20> what'd I miss
[6:33 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I was about to say that
[6:33 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: Yes, but how much of the image?
[6:33 PM] <Imperialles> We can take C4 now.
[6:33 PM] <riffsyphon1024> lucky you live in bakersfield
[6:34 PM] <Huntster> As much as I'd like to attend, I doubt my job or school will allow it :/
[6:34 PM] <VladiusMagnum> more like coincidental
[6:34 PM] <Imperialles> Next topic is C4 table.
[6:34 PM] <jSarek> Yep. :-p
[6:34 PM] <Huntster> being a dispatcher has some drawbacks.
[6:34 PM] <Malak501> wot is that
[6:34 PM] <SillyDan> will there be a computer set up there so I can attend virtually?
[6:34 PM] <Imperialles> Will any admins be at the Celebration?
[6:34 PM] <DarkSpork> Actually, could we move C4 up? I have to go to work and I want to be here to discuss it.
[6:34 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we need computers
[6:34 PM] <Atarumaster88> Aziz said he probably would
[6:34 PM] <LtNOWIS> I plan on going.
[6:34 PM] <jSarek> Imperialles: I'll be at C4.
[6:34 PM] <riffsyphon1024> jsarek will be
[6:34 PM] <Imperialles> Who will take charge of the table?
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[6:34 PM] <Angela> Assuming Wikia would pay for half the booth costs plus the merchandise, you still need to raise the rest of the costs. There are two ways to do that -
[6:34 PM] <Angela> you can either have a fundraising drive, have a donations link, and create a PayPal account, or you could add graphic ads to the site for a month (just images, not pop-ups or Flash) and Wikia would donate the difference in revenue between the normal text ads and the image ads to this event. Which would you prefer?
[6:34 PM] <Atarumaster88> Yes, need comps
[6:34 PM] <Jwebb13> riffsyphon:I never thought I'd hear someone say that about Bakersfield.
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[6:34 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Why don't you set up videos that show the evolution of an article
[6:34 PM] <emperor_sam> It'd cost me nearly 10 grand US to get from Aus to the US and get a nice hotel, pay for food and stuff.
[6:34 PM] <Ineedaname> A computer would be a good idea, especially considering it's an online encyclopedia
[6:34 PM] <AceofAces20> oh wow
[6:34 PM] <SadrielFett> So, what was decided about the Hyperspace images?
[6:34 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no flash please
[6:35 PM] <jSarek> Jwebb13: Neither did I. ;-)
[6:35 PM] <Imperialles> Angela: Alright. I think a combination of the two would be perfect.
[6:35 PM] <DarkSpork> No Hyperspace without permission'
[6:35 PM] <Malak501> ask permission Fett
[6:35 PM] <Imperialles> We can not rely on the kindness of strangers.
[6:35 PM] <Malak501> from starwars.com
[6:35 PM] <Jwebb13> No ads; that's why I don't bother w/MySpace groups anymore.
[6:35 PM] <AceofAces20> good point
[6:35 PM] <emperor_sam> brb
[6:35 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Blanche DuBois!
[6:35 PM] <riffsyphon1024> TShirts
[6:35 PM] <DarkSpork> The fan hall, last time, wasn't too bad. I expect that's where they'll put you
[6:35 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Showbags.
[6:35 PM] <DarthOblivion> i'm confused now
[6:35 PM] <Malak501> Myspace is freak, now lets get back on topic
[6:35 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Right. I don't like ads
[6:35 PM] <JainaSolo> I won't be at C4 :(
[6:35 PM] <jSarek> I think if we put a disclaimer under a graphical ad saying what it's for, our users would understand.
[6:36 PM] <riffsyphon1024> For Wookieepedia and all...
[6:36 PM] <DarthOblivion> Nor will I
[6:36 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Neither will I, Solo. It's...saddening.
[6:36 PM] <jSarek> Especially since it's short term.
[6:36 PM] <JohnMithic> i think there DEFINITELY should be a Wookieepedia table at SWCIV.
[6:36 PM] <JainaSolo> I know
[6:36 PM] <Atarumaster88> Can't make it
[6:36 PM] <Jack_Nebulax> Hopefully I can make it to C4...
[6:36 PM] <Angela> There's also a chance of getting an event on the stage, like an "ask the Wookieepedians" question and answer session, so this could be a great time to find some new users for the wiki.
[6:36 PM] <Ozzel> I'll be there, and I'd be glad to help out at a table, but we need to have enough people so that no one has to work it for very long periods of time.
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[6:36 PM] <DarkSpork> It'll be nice to see someone other than the 501st...
[6:36 PM] <Commander_Jake> I can't make C4 either...:(
[6:36 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> CIV? That's something we don't see to often.
[6:36 PM] <AceofAces20> I have to look
[6:36 PM] <Imperialles> Ads for a short period of time won't kill you. Being featured at C4 would be a major thing for us.
[6:36 PM] <Jack_Nebulax> I doubt I'll be able to make it to C4, though.
[6:36 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes induct new members
[6:36 PM] <RoronCorobb> I can probably make it
[6:36 PM] <Adamwankenobi> lol to DarkSprok
[6:36 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I haven't been to any of the SWcelebrations...:(
[6:36 PM] <Huntster> Aye, and if the ads are used in a not-for-profit manner, then there should be no copyvio issues. Ads shouldn't be a problem.
[6:36 PM] <DarthOblivion> Too bad
[6:36 PM] <Bub> I'll try to make it
[6:36 PM] <SillyDan> That would be excellent. Too bad I can't come...8)
[6:36 PM] <JohnMithic> G2G guys
[6:36 PM] <LtNOWIS> Do we really need more attention though?
[6:36 PM] <jSarek> Ozzel: AGreed. I certainly plan on *attending* the con while I'm there, too. ;-)
[6:37 PM] <Atarumaster88> Are we talking about ads or C4?
[6:37 PM] <Adamwankenobi> yes
[6:37 PM] <Bub> Yes
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[6:37 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I don't know
[6:37 PM] <DarkSpork> Hey, i spent a lot of time in the fan hall at C3, one of my pals was volunteering there. :D
[6:37 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> LtNOWIS: excellent point
[6:37 PM] <Huntster> Atarumaster88, both. using ads or something else to raise funds for C4 booth.
[6:37 PM] <Malak501> Imperialles, are you a channel operator
[6:37 PM] <Imperialles> yes.
[6:37 PM] <riffsyphon1024> jsarek, wouldnt you be representing more than one group
[6:37 PM] <Malak501> shoot me out
[6:37 PM] <Angela> Atarumaster88: ads to support the cost of C4 (using images instead of text ads for a month) - but donations are an alternative.
[6:37 PM] <Malak501> its ripping my computer
[6:37 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I agree with Huntster
[6:37 PM] <Atarumaster88> Huntster, how did you do that? Angela too?
[6:37 PM] <Malak501> lag
[6:37 PM] <Jwebb13> Gotta run; work stuff. have fun at C4, whoever gets to go.
[6:37 PM] <jSarek> riffs: Not that I know of, unless your myspace group is going to have a table or something . . .
[6:37 PM] <Huntster> do what?
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[6:37 PM] <Ineedaname> People who are there could take turns at the table or something, couldn't they?
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[6:38 PM] <riffsyphon1024> theyve been talking about it, j
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[6:38 PM] <Malak501> stuck...
[6:38 PM] <Wookieeperial> back. If there's no lag
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[6:38 PM] <DarthOblivion> the lag isn't as bad now
[6:38 PM] <Malak501> blast it
[6:38 PM] <Wookieeperial> There's lag.
[6:38 PM] <Malak501> mine is
[6:38 PM] <Angela> Ineedaname: yes, but we need to know in advance if there will be enough people going to look after the booth.
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[6:38 PM] <Whopper_> none for me
[6:38 PM] <Jack_Nebulax> I'd better be going before my computer shuts down...
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[6:38 PM] <Huntster> Atarumaster88, what are you referring to?
[6:38 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> You know, for C4, you could have something where people turn up to your table, say what they're favourite character is, and you print off the respective article. Then tell em to get lost.
[6:38 PM] <Malak501> Imperialles
[6:38 PM] <LtNOWIS> I think Kuralyov is planning on attending.
[6:38 PM] <SillyDan> how many people would we need, Angela?
[6:38 PM] <Malak501> kick me
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[6:38 PM] <DarkSpork> I don't know if I would have time for table-sitting...
[6:38 PM] <jSarek> Ineedaname: Yes, but we need enough people so that no one has to lose the majority of their con to volunteering.
[6:38 PM] <VladiusMagnum> There you are Jack!
[6:38 PM] <Commander_Jake> I have to go guys. See you all around.
[6:38 PM] <Atarumaster88> the orange message thing
[6:38 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: That was a joke right :P
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[6:38 PM] <Whopper_> malak501: you can use the x, wait a few min
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[6:38 PM] <Whopper_> malak501: you can use the x, wait a few min
[6:38 PM] <Whopper_> sorry :S
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[6:38 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Cull - Yeah...sure.
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[6:38 PM] <jSarek> Spork: Is JadeCon going to be there this year?
[6:38 PM] <DarkSpork> Thefour: Yeah, and how long are the major character articles?
[6:38 PM] <Imperialles> How about the following: First, check how many Wookieepedians are going to the Celebration.
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[6:39 PM] <Huntster> Atarumaster88, i was not aware I made any orange text...
[6:39 PM] <Angela> SillyDan: I'm not sure how it works. I don't know if you're meant to have someone there all day. The event is all day and night, so I guess not, but I don't know.
[6:39 PM] <Imperialles> Then, consider what Angela just told us about ads and sponsorship.
[6:39 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i have a section for that in the forum
[6:39 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: I gotta remember to use question marks
[6:39 PM] <Atarumaster88> Is that like a private message or something? (Sorry everyone else)
[6:39 PM] <AceofAces20> hmmm
[6:39 PM] <Huntster> Agreed.
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[6:39 PM] <DarkSpork> jSarek: We don't do JadeCon at Celebrations. But there will be several CJers.
[6:39 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I'm not going
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[6:39 PM] <Malak502> hello
[6:39 PM] <Malak502> im back
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[6:39 PM] <AceofAces20> hello
[6:39 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we have a list of those interested though
[6:39 PM] <Malak502> thanck Culator
[6:40 PM] <JM76> Im back
[6:40 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: So we print off the page, and then when they see all the grammatical errors they get mad and then never visit again?
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[6:40 PM] <jSarek> brb
[6:40 PM] <Angela> the steps I think are needed: how many people are going? Will those people pay their own travel costs or do they want a fundraising OR ad drive on the site to pay for them?
[6:40 PM] <Imperialles> I know, riff, but we should bump that and get a definite list.
[6:40 PM] <Malak502> whats topcik
[6:40 PM] <JM76> where is it going to be held again?
[6:40 PM] <DarkSpork> I think everyone should pay their own travel costs.
[6:40 PM] <VladiusMagnum> C4
[6:40 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i can work on that tonight imp
[6:40 PM] <Malak502> oh
[6:40 PM] <Imperialles> Great!
[6:40 PM] <riffsyphon1024> LA, JM
[6:40 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Cull: Yeah...let's just make it a select list of articles, OK?
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[6:40 PM] <JM76> thx
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[6:40 PM] <JM76> Im probably going then
[6:40 PM] <Ineedaname> Select list of 3 articles
[6:40 PM] <Ozzel> Yeah, a solid list of users would be good.
[6:40 PM] <Imperialles> Thanks for your support Angela, we will contact you once we have discussed this more in-depth. =)
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[6:40 PM] <LtNOWIS> The Palpatine article is technically long enough to be a novel.
[6:40 PM] <Huntster> aye DarkSpork, no reason why individuals shouldn't pay their own way...
[6:40 PM] <DarkSpork> You could do a trivia game
[6:41 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> "Uh, my favourite character is Ferus Olin" "Get out."
[6:41 PM] <Malak502> my computer cant take it, im gonna jet before this thing blows up.
[6:41 PM] <VladiusMagnum> too expensive for a site like this to haul you across the nation for a party, regardless of how cool or relevant it is
[6:41 PM] <riffsyphon1024> can i make Wookieepedia:Celebration IV?
[6:41 PM] <Imperialles> as you can see, plans are kinda sketchy at the moment.
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[6:41 PM] <Huntster> that would raise issues as to why one person could go but another could not.
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[6:41 PM] <DarkSpork> informally, I mean
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[6:41 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, riff :p
[6:41 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: sure that could work, we could print out the Palpatine essay like one time before we ran out of paper :P
[6:41 PM] <Angela> Related to C4, if there are other events (or just user meet-ups) where you'd like help paying for merchandise to be printed, let me know.
[6:41 PM] <riffsyphon1024> just needed some feedback
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[6:41 PM] <riffsyphon1024> brb
[6:41 PM] <Imperialles> Thank you, angela.
[6:41 PM] <DarkSpork> I don't know if fan orgs can sell merchadise for anything other than charity...
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[6:41 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, well, Palpatine would be adults only. Not because of the content, but because of the language
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[6:41 PM] <DarkSpork> Promotional stuff we could do.
[6:41 PM] <DarthOblivion> Are we going to talk about anything other than the C4
[6:42 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> yes
[6:42 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> No.
[6:42 PM] <Imperialles> Yes. Hang on.
[6:42 PM] <DarkSpork> Like magnets,m buttons, something like that. Cheap and everyone loves them
[6:42 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> ....
[6:42 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> 4 dots!
[6:42 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> yay
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[6:42 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> makes senses
[6:42 PM] <Darkkanos> bbasp
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[6:42 PM] <Havac> Some kind of promotional handouts would be good
[6:42 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> senses?
[6:42 PM] <RoronCorobb> i think users should pay for themselves, there would be issues as to why some would get paid for and some would not
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[6:42 PM] <SillyDan> magnets, yes
[6:42 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I'd buy one
[6:42 PM] <DarthOblivion> I'm running into some really bad lag.
[6:42 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> God, I sound like the blue collar guy from Futurama
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[6:42 PM] <AM88> T-shirts?
[6:42 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Addition of a "Notes and references" section to WP:LG''
[6:42 PM] <Huntster> aye. (also might be nice to make such items available to those who cannot attend but who are still willing to pay for them :)
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[6:42 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Stubby holders.
[6:43 PM] <Imperialles> The topic has changed.
[6:43 PM] <Darth_Culator> C4 is running long.
[6:43 PM] <Imperialles> Now: Addition of a "Notes and references" section to WP:LG.
[6:43 PM] <GHe> you don't usually get lag if you're using a client
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[6:43 PM] <AM88> What is LG?
[6:43 PM] <riffsyphon1024> its basic but here we go http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Celebration_IV
[6:43 PM] <Ineedaname> Layout guide
[6:43 PM] <Ozzel> Notes/references. Yes, definitely.
[6:43 PM] <Darth_Culator> And we skipped one to get to C4.
[6:43 PM] <Imperialles> The Layout Guide.
[6:43 PM] <SillyDan> Addition of notes and references: yes, add them to the layout guide
[6:43 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide
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[6:43 PM] <SillyDan> at the end, before appearances but after see also
[6:43 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I really wonder how we could integrate that though.
[6:43 PM] <LtNOWIS> We mean footnotes, right?
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[6:43 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> No notes and references please. I came to Wookiepedia from Wikipedia to get away from that. It's headache enducing, and damn annoying.
[6:43 PM] <Imperialles> Notes/references are used where information is gathered from anywhere else than official sources
[6:43 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Like with page numbers?
[6:44 PM] <AceofAces20> good idea
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[6:44 PM] <Darkkanos> bbl
[6:44 PM] <AM88> Sounds like a headache
[6:44 PM] <riffsyphon1024> that involves another section below right?
[6:44 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> It is
[6:44 PM] <SillyDan> some articles, but not all, need them
[6:44 PM] <Darkkanos> i got to go
[6:44 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, riff
[6:44 PM] <Huntster> oi, a decent and formatted reference system is a good thing.
[6:44 PM] <jSarek> Imp: I thought that's what External links was for?
[6:44 PM] <Ineedaname> So notes and references would be comments on forums, etc?
[6:44 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Should be used sparingly.
[6:44 PM] <Huntster> heck, i'd be willing to only do that.
[6:44 PM] <Imperialles> The BTS sections of many articles contain many unsourced claims at the moment.
[6:44 PM] <riffsyphon1024> only the largest should try it then
[6:44 PM] <LtNOWIS> Are we talking about somethign like this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bria_Tharen#Notes
[6:44 PM] <VladiusMagnum> We should keep it the way we have it with the BTS thing
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[6:44 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Oh, for BTS, it'd be great, but let's not have it in the article body.
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[6:44 PM] <Imperialles> jSarek: External links is for links related to the subject.
[6:44 PM] <AM88> On all pages or just forums or just articles?
[6:44 PM] <SillyDan> If some bizarre fact is only in one obscure source, or requires further explanation, a footnote is useful
[6:45 PM] <SillyDan> on articles, that is
[6:45 PM] <Imperialles> Yeah, what Dan said.
[6:45 PM] <Herbsewell> how often would it be used?
[6:45 PM] <Imperialles> That, and in BTS sections.
[6:45 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:45 PM] <Huntster> ...., certainly, given that for direct SW material, we just reference the article of the book in question.
[6:45 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Please not in Bios
[6:45 PM] <riffsyphon1024> depends on the info
[6:45 PM] <SillyDan> why not in bios?
[6:45 PM] <AM88> That may need another Wookieeproject to do all that work
[6:45 PM] <Havac> Footnotes for further explanation is fine, though I get a feeling they're either going to get underused or way overused
[6:45 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Would references contain where certain info is from? Such as a note on Fett's sarlacc revival, linked to Marvel comics, etc.
[6:45 PM] <Imperialles> No, Cull
[6:45 PM] <Huntster> SillyDan, unneceesary in bios, given that it should only come from SW universe sources anyway.
[6:45 PM] <riffsyphon1024> more so for BTS and other notes that dont have reference books
[6:45 PM] <Nightmare> Sorry, I was in the bathroom. What is the topic?
[6:45 PM] <Imperialles> It would only be used where info is gathered from a web page.
[6:45 PM] <VladiusMagnum> no that's already on there
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[6:45 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: Ok, I misunderstood
[6:46 PM] <VladiusMagnum> sources
[6:46 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Because having a little "1" halfway through a bio is damn annoying, and if we start adding it to bios, it'll be a precedent for it to spread right through every article on Wookiepedia
[6:46 PM] <DarthOblivion> What's with the lag? I had to quit and rejoin. What's the topic?
[6:46 PM] <Nightmare> What is the topci?
[6:46 PM] <VladiusMagnum> EXACTLY
[6:46 PM] <Angela> Notes and references.
[6:46 PM] <Huntster> look at the topic message?
[6:46 PM] <VladiusMagnum> thank you, elipsis
[6:46 PM] <Imperialles> So does anyone disagree with having a notes section for the BTS section added to the LG?
[6:46 PM] <Havac> Topic is at the top of the page
[6:46 PM] <Herbsewell> why not have it's own section?
[6:46 PM] <GHe> it might take a while to load at times
[6:46 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: can you explain exactly what a notes and references section would contain?
[6:46 PM] <AM88> Yes!
[6:46 PM] <Herbsewell> it would be too small?
[6:46 PM] <Havac> How would it work? What would the requirements be?
[6:46 PM] <AM88> Disagree, I do, with what i hear
[6:46 PM] <Huntster> support "Notes and References"
[6:47 PM] <Imperialles> See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan#Notes_and_references
[6:47 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Don't have it link in the middle of the article
[6:47 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: Thanks
[6:47 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Support for BTS, Oppose for anywhere else.
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[6:47 PM] <DarthOblivion> Is this like what they have on wikipedia
[6:47 PM] <pdandy1994> im back
[6:47 PM] <VladiusMagnum> does the NEC have footnotes?
[6:47 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah.
[6:47 PM] <jSarek> Welcome Justin.
[6:47 PM] <Darth_Culator> Should probably CT it.
[6:47 PM] <pdandy1994> what are we discussing?
[6:47 PM] <SillyDan> Support for BTS, discourage for anything else most of the time
[6:47 PM] <JustinGann> i dont think i knew therewere this many wookipedians
[6:47 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> NEC? well, the EC didn't.
[6:47 PM] <SadrielFett> No, I think it might be a good idea.
[6:47 PM] <AM88> Only for BTS
[6:47 PM] <riffsyphon1024> hello justin, notes and references right now
[6:48 PM] <VladiusMagnum> okay then, only BTS
[6:48 PM] <DarthOblivion> Neither did I, Justin
[6:48 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, it's going to be messy anywhere else.
[6:48 PM] <Imperialles> See how it's used in the Revan article:
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[6:48 PM] <jSarek> Theoretically, every article should be sourced line-by-line.
[6:48 PM] <Imperialles> to source the commercial image
[6:48 PM] <LtNOWIS> only for relatively long BTS sections
[6:48 PM] <AM88> Imp:Still, that's because Revan is so controversial, like the Exile or Jaden Korr
[6:48 PM] <jSarek> I'd love to see that, but I don't think we have the intestinal fortitude to actually do it.
[6:48 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Hmm.. on Wikipedia at least, they sometimes cite real-world articles, such as from newspapers and books, could this be implemented for certain articles in the same fashion?
[6:48 PM] <Darth_Culator> jSarek: Ideally, yes.
[6:48 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> And only then for the really dubious ones. Like Max (rabbit)
[6:48 PM] <JustinGann> sourced line by line?
[6:48 PM] <AM88> Agree with jSarek
[6:48 PM] <JustinGann> wow
[6:48 PM] <Wookieeperial> Do encyclopedias normally have footnotes?
[6:48 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Yeah the kind of style on Wikipedia is really cluttered and annoying and doen't get to the point
[6:48 PM] <JustinGann> no they dont
[6:48 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah.
[6:48 PM] <Darth_Culator> As I said, probably needs a CT thread.
[6:48 PM] <Havac> Are we going to need footnotes even to say "There's controversy over Revan's identity" or somesuch?
[6:49 PM] <LtNOWIS> For images you can just click them.
[6:49 PM] <AceofAces20> I have no idea
[6:49 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Wikipedia insists on it
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[6:49 PM] <Imperialles> No, that's not the point Havac
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[6:49 PM] <Huntster> The other question is how to deal with those references...just a link, or use some official MLA or APA format?
[6:49 PM] <JustinGann> i dont recall encyclopedias with footnotes
[6:49 PM] <riffsyphon1024> because wikipedia's been filled with false info
[6:49 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Wikipedia does
[6:49 PM] <JustinGann> just bibliography on end
[6:49 PM] <jSarek> Wookieeperial: No, but most encyclopedias are compiled by experts and can't be edited by some random fandom yahoo.
[6:49 PM] <SillyDan> no MLA APA or NWA formats, please
[6:49 PM] <Imperialles> It's simply a section for information gathered from web pages instead of published sources
[6:49 PM] <VladiusMagnum> WE are NOT Wikipedia
[6:49 PM] <Ineedaname> False info's usually easy to find on Wookieepedia
[6:49 PM] <AM88> Imp: ok then
[6:49 PM] <jkw100> surely it cannot be only applied to one section of an article, it either has to be universal or not used, I would opt for not used as there is so little diversity amongst the sources used it is probably allready covered sufficiently by the mentioned/referred to section at the foot of most articles
[6:49 PM] <riffsyphon1024> find some
[6:49 PM] <SillyDan> author, title, link, and that's all we need
[6:49 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: Thanks for that, twas confused
[6:50 PM] <Huntster> SillyDan, works for me.
[6:50 PM] <Havac> Footnotes would be professional in the articles, and make it easier to find sources, but it would be hard to apply.
[6:50 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, that's good. But, I must stress, only for BTS.
[6:50 PM] <Nightmare> YEs
[6:50 PM] <jSarek> Havac: The crux of the issue.
[6:50 PM] <VladiusMagnum> We aspire to be a STAR WARS encyclopedia, Not a STAR WARS WIKIPEDIA
[6:50 PM] <Huntster> I suppose the details can be worked out on the site.
[6:50 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes vlad
[6:50 PM] <Nightmare> Vlad: Yes
[6:50 PM] <VladiusMagnum> we seem to be pulling more and more things from Wikipedia
[6:50 PM] <Havac> CT it
[6:50 PM] <Ozzel> BTS and other real world info, I say.
[6:50 PM] <AM88> CT it!
[6:50 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> per Havac
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[6:50 PM] <jSarek> Vlad: We aspire to be the best Star Wars reference there is.
[6:50 PM] <riffsyphon1024> agree with ozzel
[6:50 PM] <Imperialles> CT it. Alright.
[6:50 PM] <Redemption> If we really want to seperate from Wiki then we should then get rid of the anon editing
[6:50 PM] <Nightmare> Yes
[6:50 PM] <Darth_Culator> Good. CT it. Moving on?
[6:50 PM] <Imperialles> Let us move on, I will make a CT.
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[6:51 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes
[6:51 PM] <Nightmare> Move on!
[6:51 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Still a little uncertainty on where exactly it would be used.
[6:51 PM] <SillyDan> We can't stop anon editing w/o intervention from Wikia
[6:51 PM] <VladiusMagnum> thank you
[6:51 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> But no matter
[6:51 PM] <RoronCorobb> most vandalism is anons
[6:51 PM] <AM88> There are some good anons around
[6:51 PM] <Redemption> [Redacted by administration]
[6:51 PM] <riffsyphon1024> next issue
[6:51 PM] <Imperialles> "Raising day-to-day IRC popularity. Possibility of an Uncyclopedia-style "IRC adhocracy"."
[6:51 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Raising day-to-day IRC popularity''
[6:51 PM] <Kweh-chan> a lack of anonymous info, however would greatly reduce vandalism
[6:51 PM] <Wookieeperial> I think thorough source-listings are sufficient myself. Which edition do you refer to....
[6:51 PM] <Imperialles> I am not too sure what Sikon is talking about
[6:51 PM] <Wookieeperial> Sorry - much lagging
[6:51 PM] <LtNOWIS> Right now, I don't really see us needing more people on IRC.
[6:51 PM] <riffsyphon1024> what?
[6:51 PM] <SillyDan> So what's an adhocracy?
[6:51 PM] <SadrielFett> I agree with the anon editing thing.
[6:52 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Sikon?
[6:52 PM] <Imperialles> However, this channel is quite "dead" on weekdays
[6:52 PM] <Angela> Removing unregistered users only makes it harder for new users to get involved, it doesn't prevent vandalism.
[6:52 PM] <Nightmare> There's already enough people here!
[6:52 PM] <jSarek> LtNOWIS: This is a bad example. ;-)
[6:52 PM] <Ineedaname> We could just change the flashing Mofference sitenotice to advertise IRC when we're done :P
[6:52 PM] <DarthOblivion> If they want to keep editing they can become wookeepedians
[6:52 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> No....we get enough debate on talk pages. I really don't see the need for IRC promotion.
[6:52 PM] <Redemption> If someone wants to edit then registefr
[6:52 PM] <Angela> you could link to http://irc.wikia.com/starwars/ in the site notice (any admin can add one to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]])
[6:52 PM] <Palpy> lol
[6:52 PM] <Redemption> It takes 2 minutes
[6:52 PM] <sannse> Nightmare: it isn't usually like this :)
[6:52 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> hehehehehe
[6:52 PM] <Redemption> And it's free
[6:52 PM] <jSarek> NO PERMANENT BLINKIES!
[6:52 PM] * Darth_Culator would like to remind everyone that There Is No Cabal.
[6:52 PM] <AM88> Don't need IRC promotion, me thinks
[6:52 PM] <DarthOblivion> Yes.
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[6:52 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes lets take down the blinky
[6:52 PM] <Nightmare> Sannse: coulda fooled me!
[6:52 PM] * DarkSpork snorts
[6:52 PM] <JainaSolo> lol
[6:52 PM] <LtNOWIS> I believe adhocracy means everyone on IRC agrees on something, thus making it de facto policy.
[6:53 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Maybe we should have these meetings more often, and a notice on the Senate Hall page though so its not overwhelmed
[6:53 PM] <riffsyphon1024> thus adhoc
[6:53 PM] <Havac> I think it's just a matter of getting people in the habit of logging onto IRC
[6:53 PM] <DarthOblivion> What the hell I posted that "Yes." several minute before my last post
[6:53 PM] <Redemption> I'm already in that habit
[6:53 PM] <SillyDan> LtNOWIS: or, those who care make the rules. So I have no major problem with it.
[6:53 PM] <riffsyphon1024> this is the first time in 3 months ive IRCed
[6:53 PM] <Redemption> I just don't log into Wookieepedia..
[6:53 PM] * Cull_Tremayne misses having a topic
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[6:53 PM] <jSarek> WB Justin.
[6:53 PM] <riffsyphon1024> wb
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[6:53 PM] <AceofAces20> wb
[6:53 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> IRC = Meh. We get enough done with the regular Senate Hall and such.
[6:53 PM] <whop> :P
[6:53 PM] <Nightmare> How about getting people in the habbit of logging on here at the same time they log on Wookiepedia?
[6:54 PM] <Ineedaname> I do that anyway
[6:54 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Stuff is more likely to escape notice here.
[6:54 PM] <Redemption> It's not the same
[6:54 PM] * Huntster is beginning to think IRC isn't the best place for Mofferences
[6:54 PM] <JustinGann> i think its actually less confusing when less people show up
[6:54 PM] <Havac> I figured the "adhocracy" was more a matter of getting together the people on IRC "Should this be deleted?" "I guess" "Yeah, it should." "Done"
[6:54 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Nightmare: Not gonna happen
[6:54 PM] <Angela> Having meetings like this every few months would get people used to using IRC and they might hang around once the meeting is over.
[6:54 PM] <riffsyphon1024> IRC should be moffrence only
[6:54 PM] <Nightmare> Yeah...
[6:54 PM] <DarthOblivion> Mofference over?
[6:54 PM] <Atarumaster88> IRC has other uses
[6:54 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[6:54 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no
[6:54 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: Very elitist :P
[6:54 PM] <Atarumaster88> But not many
[6:54 PM] <Herbsewell> IRC is used for other reasons
[6:54 PM] <RoronCorobb> is this over now
[6:54 PM] <RoronCorobb> ?
[6:54 PM] <Nightmare> Is the mofference over?
[6:54 PM] <jkw100> i think that IRc is always going to have a smaller dedicated following than a forum and given the number of time zones that should be ocnsidered surely a forum based disucssion is better
[6:54 PM] <Herbsewell> besides this
[6:54 PM] <JustinGann> no it isnt
[6:54 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no
[6:54 PM] <jSarek> NO, the Mofference is still on.
[6:55 PM] <Wookieeperial> I;m wary of a Majoritocracy
[6:55 PM] <Havac> Well, for "is this fanon" and such, without wasting time on VFD
[6:55 PM] <Herbsewell> yes it is
[6:55 PM] <jkw100> having said that binding policy can;t really be made without a limited membership
[6:55 PM] <Nightmare> K
[6:55 PM] <jkw100> and possibly even a quorum number
[6:55 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Unfortunately, the debate is not over.
[6:55 PM] <LtNOWIS> IRC is good for: "Hey any admins here, there's a vandal!" "ok, I'll fix it."
[6:55 PM] <DarthOblivion> Lets discuss something important then
[6:55 PM] <SillyDan> jkw100: good point
[6:55 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: Aye
[6:55 PM] <Palpy> we do need more people on irc. it a lot easier to get things done here
[6:55 PM] <Herbsewell> I've asked alots of questions
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[6:55 PM] <Herbsewell> here
[6:55 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Knew what you were talking about.
[6:55 PM] <Wookieeperial> Some people clearly aren't disinterested nPOV'ers. I may be one myself. :D
[6:55 PM] <Imperialles> Let us change the topic.
[6:55 PM] <VladiusMagnum> this is not over
[6:55 PM] <Imperialles> "De-sysop process and policy."
[6:55 PM] <riffsyphon1024> next topic
[6:55 PM] <SillyDan> what if all us eastern North Americans disagree with the Aussies? chaos
[6:55 PM] <JM76> K
[6:55 PM] <VladiusMagnum> the mofference, I mean
[6:55 PM] <DarthOblivion> Please
[6:55 PM] <JustinGann> what does that mean
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[6:55 PM] <Herbsewell> what's the current topic?
[6:55 PM] <Imperialles> We should have a de-sysop process as a form of checks and balances
[6:55 PM] <riffsyphon1024> who's needed desysoping?
[6:55 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Should there be a De-Systop policy?
[6:56 PM] <DarthOblivion> Next topic
[6:56 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Precisimo. Screw IRC.
[6:56 PM] <JustinGann> im not an easterner
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[6:56 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: De-sysop process and policy. Request for bureaucratship?''
[6:56 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> *sysop
[6:56 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Can we run smear campaigns?
[6:56 PM] <VladiusMagnum> what does that mean?
[6:56 PM] <Havac> We need a policy. We may not need it now, but we likely will some time.
[6:56 PM] <riffsyphon1024> no fourdot
[6:56 PM] <DarthOblivion> Ha ha
[6:56 PM] <Wookieeperial> Ahh, deconstructionism...
[6:56 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: lol
[6:56 PM] <Admiral06> Hmm... A cabal...
[6:56 PM] <Wookieeperial> <<wait for it>>
[6:56 PM] <JustinGann> you get Dark Side points if you run smear campaigns
[6:56 PM] <Wookieeperial> ... in action!!
[6:56 PM] <Imperialles> De-sysoping (if ever needed) should be a community decision, not bureaucrats reaching own conclusions
[6:56 PM] <Atarumaster88> Speaking of sysops, Riff, can you whack Sentry with ban stick in the next minute or so
[6:56 PM] <Darth_Culator> We don't know who needs desysopping because we don't have a policy. And...
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[6:56 PM] * Darth_Culator would like to remind everyone that There Is No Cabal.
[6:56 PM] <Nightmare> antidisestblishmentarianism
[6:56 PM] <Herbsewell> Oh I'll support that
[6:56 PM] <Havac> Better prepared than stuck with someone who's no longer sysop material and no way to deal with it
[6:56 PM] <GHe> #wookieepedia-cabal
[6:56 PM] <Bub> ...
[6:56 PM] <riffsyphon1024> sentry's done nothing wrong
[6:57 PM] <DarthOblivion> Love that word
[6:57 PM] <Sentry_> Whay? why should I be banned?
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[6:57 PM] <Atarumaster88> No, give him adminship- it's been two weeks!
[6:57 PM] <Darth_Culator> Adminstick. Diferent stick.
[6:57 PM] <Imperialles> Now, does anyone oppose the idea of a de-sysop process?
[6:57 PM] * Cull_Tremayne thinks Culator utters that line far too often
[6:57 PM] <Atarumaster88> Sorry about that!
[6:57 PM] <SillyDan> True -- we may want to come up with a policy, but I have do damn idea how to start one
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[6:57 PM] <Bub> No
[6:57 PM] <Herbsewell> How would this be formatted?
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[6:57 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Administrators
[6:57 PM] <JM76> No
[6:57 PM] <Nightmare> antidisestablismentarianism
[6:57 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Bureaucrats
[6:57 PM] <Ozzel> Nope.
[6:57 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Isn't Riff an evil Bureaucrat?
[6:57 PM] <Imperialles> SillyDan, I am working on a page. =)
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[6:57 PM] <Bub> Dark Bureaucrat
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[6:57 PM] <DarthOblivion> what's this about sentry
[6:57 PM] <riffsyphon1024> thank you LT
[6:57 PM] <VladiusMagnum> What exactly is de-sysop?
[6:57 PM] <riffsyphon1024> now, fourdot
[6:57 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: of course you are.
[6:57 PM] <Atarumaster88> Remove admin powers
[6:58 PM] <Bub> Removing sysop powers
[6:58 PM] <JM76> Remove Bureaucrat powers
[6:58 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i can be dark, but not evil
[6:58 PM] <JustinGann> i volunteer to step down as an Admin
[6:58 PM] <JM76> well, sysop
[6:58 PM] <Imperialles> Huh, Dan?
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[6:58 PM] <LtNOWIS> admin = sysop, basically, but Bureacrat is a higher level.
[6:58 PM] <DarthOblivion> confused
[6:58 PM] <Herbsewell> this is going nowhere...
[6:58 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> A De-sysop page needs to be dealt with very delicately
[6:58 PM] <riffsyphon1024> you arent one Justin
[6:58 PM] <Atarumaster88> Agree with Cull
[6:58 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: I just meant you're more prepared than I am today. 8)
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[6:58 PM] <riffsyphon1024> are you?
[6:58 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Hang on, I'll explain it to the lay people.
[6:58 PM] <VladiusMagnum> What specific powers?
[6:58 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> As in, there shouldn't be a vote for De-adminship for the first thing
[6:58 PM] <JM76> B)
[6:58 PM] <MoffRebus> emergency powers
[6:58 PM] <SillyDan> Vlad: banning and deleting, mostly
[6:58 PM] <MoffRebus> :P
[6:59 PM] <JustinGann> see that was easy
[6:59 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> For over a thousand generations the Sysops were the guardians of peace, and justice in the old Wookie.
[6:59 PM] <DarthOblivion> is this about removing ones syop abilities
[6:59 PM] <JM76> lol
[6:59 PM] <sannse> deletion, banning, protecting pages, editing protected pages
[6:59 PM] <Imperialles> Yes Oblivion.
[6:59 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Before the dark times. Before the Bureaucrats.
[6:59 PM] <JainaSolo> lol
[6:59 PM] <VladiusMagnum> OH
[6:59 PM] <Havac> WOOKIEE NOT WOOKIE
[6:59 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes darth
[6:59 PM] <DarthOblivion> lol
[6:59 PM] <VladiusMagnum> thanks elipsi
[6:59 PM] <Joker1138> <Joker1138> Hi
[6:59 PM] <Angela> The English Wikipedia has desysopped less than 10 people in the whole 5 years it's existed, so there might not really be a need for this unless some admin goes crazy and really needs to be removed.
[6:59 PM] <sannse> (I'm sure I've forgotten soemthing in that list)
[6:59 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> YES! YOU HAVE COMMITTED A MORTAL SIN! PREPARE TO BURN!
[6:59 PM] <JainaSolo> Hi Joker
[6:59 PM] <Joker1138> hi Jaina
[6:59 PM] <DarthOblivion> rogue admin
[6:59 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> A young Bureaucrat name Riffsyphon1024, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the anons hunt down and destroy the Sysops.
[6:59 PM] <Imperialles> I know Angela. However, this helps promote trust in the admins, no?
[7:00 PM] <SillyDan> sannse: having random idiots call you gay. I think that's it. 8)
[7:00 PM] <jSarek> What about the same procedure as an RfA? Same voting requirements, etc.?
[7:00 PM] <jkw100> has a need arisen for this so far then
[7:00 PM] <VladiusMagnum> lol
[7:00 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I agree, there doesn't really need to be a policy at this time does there?
[7:00 PM] <Havac> Still, better to have a regular policy in place in advance than be caught with your pants down when you need it
[7:00 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Riff was seduced by the dark side of the Wookie(e).
[7:00 PM] <jkw100> if it is so rare is this a discussion that needs to happen?
[7:00 PM] <Herbsewell> Well some admins are nutjobs
[7:00 PM] <jkw100> ?
[7:00 PM] <sannse> SillyDan: of course, an important part of the job ;)
[7:00 PM] <Adamwankenobi> :S
[7:00 PM] <Angela> Imperialles: I think desysopping people will lead to power struggles, not to more trust.
[7:00 PM] <riffsyphon1024> the only person close to desysoping was kuralyov
[7:00 PM] <geniice> Angela only sometimes
[7:00 PM] <Herbsewell> Like the Republic
[7:00 PM] <DarthOblivion> what about riff
[7:00 PM] <Imperialles> Maybe. =)
[7:00 PM] <Bub> We don't really need a desysop policy
[7:00 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Agree with Angela
[7:00 PM] <GHe> now if an admin starts deleting all the images, that's a problem
[7:00 PM] <geniice> Angela mostly it leads tyo drama then people calm down
[7:00 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> What about the Gestapo page on Kuralyov? That's disturbing in itself.
[7:00 PM] <Imperialles> Alright, consensus seems to be we do not need a policy.
[7:01 PM] <SadrielFett> I agree with Herbsewell. I think there needs to be something in place.
[7:01 PM] <Atarumaster88> What about bureaucrat requests?
[7:01 PM] <DarthOblivion> I haven't bee around much. What's this about Riff?
[7:01 PM] <Imperialles> Maybe we will one day.
[7:01 PM] <riffsyphon1024> this is getting off topic now
[7:01 PM] <Imperialles> Now, RFB.
[7:01 PM] <Herbsewell> Does wikipedia have a desysop policy?
[7:01 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: you stole my wording :P
[7:01 PM] <GHe> not really
[7:01 PM] <jSarek> Fourdot: As I say here http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:%28NSFW%29_Encyclop%2Adia_Dramatica_article_on_us&t=20061110201947 , we should all have one of those.
[7:01 PM] <geniice> Herbsewell yes
[7:01 PM] <Imperialles> Requests for Bureaucratship.
[7:01 PM] <geniice> Herbsewell arbcom can de-admin
[7:01 PM] <jkw100> it seems to me that taking away someones rights on an otherwise free system is the start of something not overly positive, pehaps the community should deal with this through dialogue rather than authoratative action
[7:01 PM] <Herbsewell> Then link it
[7:01 PM] <geniice> Herbsewell in an emergancy anyone who can can de-admin
[7:01 PM] <Herbsewell> or no...
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[7:01 PM] <GHe> wikipedia usually doesn't deamdmin
[7:01 PM] <GHe> de-admin*
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[7:02 PM] <geniice> Herbsewell it's set by preseident rather than writen rules
[7:02 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> I want a Gestapo page!
[7:02 PM] <VladiusMagnum> if anybody does something wrong and we can't talk about it, THEN we do something...maybe.
[7:02 PM] <LtNOWIS> I think we need more Bureaucrats.
[7:02 PM] <riffsyphon1024> cause for desysop would be a violationg of what we sysopped them for, take the questions we now ask into account
[7:02 PM] <JustinGann> does that mean we nominate admins to be Bureaucrats?
[7:02 PM] <Bub> Why?
[7:02 PM] <Atarumaster88> If there is a removal of sysops, should be done by voting, but more stringent than RFA
[7:02 PM] <Herbsewell> well what's the point of this discussion?
[7:02 PM] <GHe> like some other Wikimedia projects, inactivity, etc. are criteria for de-admin
[7:02 PM] <DarthOblivion> I wanna be a Bureacrat yay
[7:02 PM] <Adamwankenobi> I disagree.
[7:02 PM] <LtNOWIS> The "Rule of Two" is not what we want here.
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[7:02 PM] <Echo47Delta> You can never have enough bureacracy...
[7:02 PM] <Imperialles> Me too. Riff and Whitey are great guys, however they are not as active as they used to be.
[7:02 PM] <Joker1138> true
[7:02 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Gathering the facts is subjective
[7:02 PM] <riffsyphon1024> the rule of one is worse
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[7:02 PM] <Bub> Only sysops should be able to apply for bureaucratship
[7:02 PM] <SillyDan> I don't think we need more bureaucrats: what powers do they have that our current admins need?
[7:02 PM] <Havac> I support RFB
[7:02 PM] <Ineedaname> What's the difference between a sysop and bureaucrat?
[7:03 PM] <Herbsewell> Well it
[7:03 PM] <Imperialles> SillyDan: It's not about that.
[7:03 PM] <Herbsewell> it's not our choice
[7:03 PM] <GHe> [[Special:Makesysop]]
[7:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we have the ability to create more admins, thats it i believe
[7:03 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Bureaucrats
[7:03 PM] <Angela> The only power bureaucrats have is to make other people admins.
[7:03 PM] <GHe> that's the only diff
[7:03 PM] <VladiusMagnum> We want the Legacy Era rule of one (doen't make sense, I know)
[7:03 PM] <geniice> Ineedaname bureaucrats can change user flags
[7:03 PM] <Joker1138> We don't want Wookie turning into an Empire do we
[7:03 PM] <Herbsewell> well if they won't do it it won't happen
[7:03 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yes.
[7:03 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I oppose a RFB page
[7:03 PM] <Imperialles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RFA#About_RfB
[7:03 PM] <sannse> they can't de-admin by the way - only staff can do that
[7:03 PM] <VladiusMagnum> wookieE
[7:03 PM] <jkw100> surely all people will grow innactive when their project is completed or their knowledge entirely documented, that doesn;t mean they will never have anything useful to add ever again
[7:03 PM] <GHe> nor can they assign bots
[7:03 PM] <Imperialles> Bureaucrats are community leaders
[7:03 PM] <riffsyphon1024> if we wanted a third bureaucrat, it would be someone that could cover for Chad and I if unavailable
[7:03 PM] <GHe> on wikipedia, they can do more
[7:04 PM] <Herbsewell> but there are only two?
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[7:04 PM] <DarthOblivion> And the Bureacrats have the more authority when it comes to votiing and such
[7:04 PM] <Sentry_> Ok, so we have three options: 1) have a community vote 2) have an exclusive admin vote 3) let the current bureaucrats decide
[7:04 PM] <Imperialles> "Bureaucrats are expected to determine consensus in difficult cases"
[7:04 PM] <jSarek> We *might* want one or two more bureaucrats incase soemthing happened to WhiteBoy or Riffs.
[7:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we dont work with bots
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[7:04 PM] <Herbsewell> well it's their choice
[7:04 PM] <Havac> I'd like to preserve roughly the current Bureaucrat-to-admin ratio; we don't want more than one or two more.
[7:04 PM] <Imperialles> I propose the following: Unanimous vote.
[7:04 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: this is true, we've given them more powers on the RfA pages
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[7:04 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Havac: agreed
[7:04 PM] <deepshuck> loldongs
[7:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes j, you seem like a good candidate
[7:04 PM] <Atarumaster88> Agree. Unanimous, it should be
[7:04 PM] <geniice> bureaucrats can rename accounts
[7:04 PM] <Adamwankenobi> I agree with Havac
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[7:04 PM] <Herbsewell> and if there not in this discussion it's pointless
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[7:04 PM] <GHe> not on wikia
[7:04 PM] <sannse> geniice: not on Wikia
[7:04 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: unanimous vote by all registered users, right?
[7:04 PM] <Imperialles> Yes.
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[7:04 PM] <riffsyphon1024> idk about that geniice
[7:04 PM] <GHe> is renaming even an option on Wikia?
[7:04 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Unanimous as long as there are just a few of them
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[7:05 PM] <sannse> GHe: not at the moment, no
[7:05 PM] <Ozzel> Agreed, Imp.
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[7:05 PM] <jSarek> All registered users that are voting, that is. ;-)
[7:05 PM] <Sentry_> A nunimous vote sounds good
[7:05 PM] <Imperialles> Bureaucrats should be trusted by the entire community as a leader.
[7:05 PM] <Wookieeperial> *abstains*
[7:05 PM] <geniice> sannse what version of mediawiki are they running?
[7:05 PM] <JustinGann> i think jSarek could be a responsible bureaucrat
[7:05 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> unanimous among admins?
[7:05 PM] <Imperialles> Leave that for the RFB page. ;)
[7:05 PM] <Atarumaster88> Unanimous among everyone!
[7:05 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Or among all users?
[7:05 PM] <Herbsewell> does it matter what we think?
[7:05 PM] <Imperialles> All users.
[7:05 PM] <SillyDan> Imp: that should probably be all registered users with a posting history longer than xx days
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[7:05 PM] <sannse> geniice: it's not about the mediawiki version, it's about the settings and the shared user database
[7:05 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Among all users
[7:05 PM] <VladiusMagnum> right
[7:05 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, good idea.
[7:05 PM] <Joker1138> :all
[7:05 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: I don't trust all users.
[7:05 PM] <Havac> Unanimous Bureaucrat and admin vote; 3/4 user vote or better
[7:05 PM] <riffsyphon1024> if you think about it Imp, we two just became bureaus by default
[7:05 PM] <Imperialles> I am working on a RFB page. =)
[7:05 PM] <geniice> sannse mostly I was woundering about deleted images
[7:06 PM] <Imperialles> I'm not a bureaucrat
[7:06 PM] <Joker1138> a select few heavy users then
[7:06 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Can we have another topic?
[7:06 PM] <riffsyphon1024> as cofounders
[7:06 PM] <Sentry_> Havac: that sounds fair
[7:06 PM] <GHe> deleted images are currently nor recoverable
[7:06 PM] <VladiusMagnum> it will never be unanimous with all USERs though
[7:06 PM] <Atarumaster88> new topic
[7:06 PM] <Imperialles> oh, whitey
[7:06 PM] <GHe> unlike Wikipedia
[7:06 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Second Havac
[7:06 PM] <Herbsewell> this topic is pointless
[7:06 PM] <Imperialles> lol
[7:06 PM] <sannse> geniice: that's off topic... but hopefully coming soon
[7:06 PM] <JustinGann> i say we cut down on acronyms
[7:06 PM] <Echo47Delta> Never trust the general populace.. Look what happened to the Republic.
[7:06 PM] <Darth_Culator> New topic?
[7:06 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I agree with Havac
[7:06 PM] <riffsyphon1024> ok new topic
[7:06 PM] <SillyDan> Vladius: it could be unanimous for all voting users
[7:06 PM] <Herbsewell> please let's move on
[7:06 PM] <Imperialles> Alright, but does anyone oppose the need for new bureacrats?
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[7:06 PM] <Joker1138> Republic: true learn from there fall we must
[7:06 PM] <JustinGann> no
[7:06 PM] <Nightmare> New topic?
[7:06 PM] <jSarek> See: C4. ;-)
[7:06 PM] * sannse will shut down for the night now - gone midnight
[7:06 PM] <Herbsewell> no
[7:07 PM] <jSarek> brb phone
[7:07 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we must get the word out
[7:07 PM] <Darth_Culator> No opposition to new bureaucrats from me.
[7:07 PM] <Redemption> Doesn't matter to me
[7:07 PM] <SillyDan> bye sannse
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[7:07 PM] <Imperialles> Great, I will put up a page and we can discuss specifics.
[7:07 PM] <Herbsewell> then why are we still talking about this?
[7:07 PM] <sannse> g'night
[7:07 PM] <JustinGann> i dont feel optimistic about Wookieepedia advertising
[7:07 PM] <DarthOblivion> yes
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[7:07 PM] <LtNOWIS> Regarding ads: do we really need them?
[7:07 PM] <Herbsewell> if we can't change it in the least
[7:07 PM] <LtNOWIS> I mean, we're doing fine as it is.
[7:07 PM] <Bub> We shouldn't have ads
[7:07 PM] <jkw100> what are the realistic options for advertisgin
[7:07 PM] <VladiusMagnum> good idea, as long as we're not...*cough* exploiting the populace or something
[7:07 PM] <RoronCorobb> im sure there are many star wars fans who would love this site if they ever saw it and we would have alot more users
[7:07 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Still say additional bureaucrats aren't really needed right now.
[7:07 PM] <JustinGann> i think they would ruin the look
[7:07 PM] <Darth_Culator> I've given it an experimental shot.
[7:07 PM] <jkw100> and what is the ultimate goal
[7:07 PM] <Darth_Culator> http://www.bobandgeorge.com/Ads/Current.html
[7:07 PM] <Sikon> foosh... I dreamt nobody came
[7:07 PM] <jSarek> Damn Gungankriffin' mortages sellers.
[7:07 PM] <Herbsewell> yes wikia is'nt wikipedia
[7:07 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> hehehe
[7:07 PM] <jkw100> I mean presumably there is little or no budget
[7:08 PM] <Angela> ads: Wikia has never paid for ads officially (though I've personally placed a few and the furry and halo communities did too).
[7:08 PM] <Angela> What Wikia can do though is advertise Wookieepedia on the other Wikia sites, like in the "Wikia Spotlight" area. I'm also thinking of placing a logo there instead of the current 4 or 5 links, so you could have a Wookieepedia logo appearing on every wiki, and it rotates each page view to promote another wiki.
[7:08 PM] <jkw100> so anything non electronic is probably out of the question
[7:08 PM] <Huntster> I don't see the need for ads. seems an unnecessary waste of funds to me.
[7:08 PM] <Joker1138> are there pages for 'Clans' as there is thought of setting up a Mando one, theres could follow E.g Jedi?
[7:08 PM] <Herbsewell> unless we can make a funraiser
[7:08 PM] <VladiusMagnum> a lot more users isn't such a good thing right now
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[7:08 PM] <Imperialles> That's a good idea Angela
[7:08 PM] <jkw100> which leaves us with trying to identify a core market of potentail users
[7:08 PM] <riffsyphon1024> tshirts that read, And Wookieepedia for all
[7:08 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Moving on...
[7:08 PM] <RoronCorobb> we would also probably get more vandalism
[7:08 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Angela is right
[7:08 PM] <Herbsewell> this is'nt going to happen
[7:08 PM] <JustinGann> do we need to attract more people? half the human population is already on this IRC
[7:08 PM] <Herbsewell> move on to more relevent issues
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[7:09 PM] <riffsyphon1024> justin has a point
[7:09 PM] <GHe> usually, this channel is dead..
[7:09 PM] <SillyDan> I like the idea of getting on wikia spotlight though
[7:09 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, definitely.
[7:09 PM] <Joker1138> ive never been here before
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[7:09 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes to wikia spotlight
[7:09 PM] <Imperialles> I really like your idea of rotating logos, Angela.
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[7:09 PM] <Nightmare> Really
[7:09 PM] <JustinGann> what i mean is, it seems to me this wikai is already well known
[7:09 PM] <Echo47Delta> And of course some of us are just uninterested, outside observers.
[7:09 PM] <Havac> If they have something to contribute, they already know about us. We don't need to advertise.
[7:09 PM] <jkw100> are rthere any untapped SW communities or sources through which to advertise?
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[7:09 PM] <Ineedaname> Wikia spotlight sounds like a good idea
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[7:09 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I already said that
[7:09 PM] <DarkSpork> LJ...
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[7:09 PM] <riffsyphon1024> can there be a truce between wookiee and memory alpha?
[7:09 PM] <JustinGann> no
[7:10 PM] <Atarumaster88> Why not?
[7:10 PM] <GHe> is there a war?
[7:10 PM] <DarthOblivion> Why
[7:10 PM] <Huntster> certainly.
[7:10 PM] <JustinGann> it violates the Force
[7:10 PM] <Ineedaname> Not until we've crushed them
[7:10 PM] <Atarumaster88> Really. . .
[7:10 PM] <RoronCorobb> yes
[7:10 PM] <Joker1138> whats the who-harr
[7:10 PM] <Echo47Delta> Was there a war? I must have missed that.
[7:10 PM] <jSarek> We've already done the best advertising possible - by having so many articles be the best on the Internet, we're almost always on page 1 for any Wars-related search term on Google.
[7:10 PM] <DarthOblivion> What
[7:10 PM] <VladiusMagnum> As long as we're not passing out userships like crazy, we should have it
[7:10 PM] <jSarek> That should be all we really need.
[7:10 PM] <riffsyphon1024> already have
[7:10 PM] <Huntster> ... Two separate fictional universes, they can easily coexist and promote each other.
[7:10 PM] <Imperialles> Currently our userbase consists of: 1) Former Wikipedians. 2) TFN users.
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[7:10 PM] <Havac> agree with jSarek
[7:10 PM] <VladiusMagnum> NO!
[7:10 PM] <Imperialles> Putting up posters at local book/fantasy shops is an option
[7:11 PM] <VladiusMagnum> jSarek is right
[7:11 PM] <Echo47Delta> Just don't mix your drinks when it comes to your sci-fi obsessions.
[7:11 PM] <Bub> I'm neither one
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[7:11 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: Is that a bad thing?
[7:11 PM] <Ineedaname> I'm neither a former Wikipedian or a TFN user
[7:11 PM] <Imperialles> No, not at all
[7:11 PM] <SillyDan> considering SW is cranking out the canon, and ST is done, we could use a few MemAlphans
[7:11 PM] <JustinGann> do the jedinet and swrpgnetwork communities have familiarity with us
[7:11 PM] <riffsyphon1024> yes, comic book stores
[7:11 PM] <Herbsewell> I kinda had better expectations for this meeting
[7:11 PM] <Huntster> agreed SillyDan
[7:11 PM] <DarthOblivion> lol
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[7:11 PM] <Cutch> I'm here... for a while...
[7:11 PM] <Imperialles> I'm just saying, probably less than 10% of all SW fans know about us.
[7:11 PM] <JustinGann> ah but there is a Trek EU Wikia now
[7:11 PM] <LtNOWIS> If there was a war with Memory Alpha, we won: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Wikiacomparisonchart.png
[7:11 PM] <Nightmare> Imp: i was never a wikipedia member. I came here before I even liked star wars!
[7:11 PM] <Atarumaster88> That's why we need to go to C IV, Imp
[7:11 PM] <Madfoot713> We could try google bombs
[7:11 PM] <jSarek> If we get a few Alphans, we'd have people with experience with line-by-line sourcing. ;-)
[7:11 PM] <RoronCorobb> probably less than that
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[7:11 PM] <Herbsewell> less than 1%
[7:11 PM] <riffsyphon1024> 10%?
[7:11 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp: really?
[7:12 PM] <Imperialles> Exactly, AM
[7:12 PM] <Joker1138> i didnt know about this untill the begining of the year
[7:12 PM] <Sikon> SillyDan> cranking out of canon?
[7:12 PM] <Imperialles> It's a made-up figure, I'll admit.
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[7:12 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> That would mean that less than 10% never use google
[7:12 PM] <Madfoot713> Google bombing
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[7:12 PM] <Cutch> Would facebook help?
[7:12 PM] <VladiusMagnum> I don't agree with that, Imp. More like 20% no wait you're right
[7:12 PM] <riffsyphon1024> did you say know about us or actually use us?
[7:12 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I'm sure the number is quite higher
[7:12 PM] * Sikon turns light on to better see keys on a keyboard
[7:12 PM] <Cutch> Would facebook help?
[7:12 PM] <Atarumaster88> We have a group on facebook
[7:12 PM] <Imperialles> My point is, we could be so much more known.
[7:12 PM] <DarthOblivion> more know about supershadow
[7:12 PM] <JustinGann> i know how we can get publicity: get mentioned in the next Weird Al song
[7:12 PM] <SillyDan> Sikon: we've got new novels entering EU canon, their EU isn't canon.
[7:12 PM] <Atarumaster88> Or actually, our supporters have a group on facebook
[7:12 PM] <Echo47Delta> Maybe less than 10% have computer access...
[7:12 PM] <AceofAces20> stupid computer disconnected me. what'd I miss
[7:12 PM] <Cutch> I've never found the facebook group
[7:12 PM] <Madfoot713> *Searches SW on google* Nope.
[7:12 PM] <Cutch> Oh, yeah
[7:12 PM] <Joker1138> if fans are truly fans they will seak us out in time
[7:12 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Sikon by Darth_Culator
[7:12 PM] <Herbsewell> you missed nothing
[7:12 PM] <riffsyphon1024> 75% of people use GOogle
[7:12 PM] <Madfoot713> Not there. v_v
[7:12 PM] <Atarumaster88> Look for "I browse Wookieepedia when I'm bored"
[7:13 PM] <jkw100> so if there was a conserted effort to advertise elctronically to users of online SW resources who would front it?
[7:13 PM] <riffsyphon1024> we have a group on facebook? when?
[7:13 PM] <Cutch> Yeah, got it
[7:13 PM] <Ineedaname> Google hates Google bombing
[7:13 PM] <VladiusMagnum> EXACTLY thank you Justin!
[7:13 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> never seen that facebook group
[7:13 PM] <Atarumaster88> See what I posted Riffsyphon1024
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[7:13 PM] <Cutch> How about a group made up JUST of Wookieepedians on FB?
[7:13 PM] <Atarumaster88> It's there, I promise
[7:13 PM] <Havac> How would any SW fan not know about us?
[7:13 PM] <GHe> "Miserable failure" is a fair example of Google bombing
[7:13 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Though there are about a hundred Ben Lees on there.
[7:13 PM] <Imperialles> Not necessarily electronic advertising.
[7:13 PM] <Herbsewell> What's the subject here I kinda got lost?
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[7:13 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Look at the top of the page
[7:13 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v Atarumaster88 by Sikon
[7:13 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Ben Lee is annoying singer in Australia
[7:13 PM] <Madfoot713> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
[7:14 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, that hack
[7:14 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v Cull_Tremayne by Sikon
[7:14 PM] <DarthOblivion> I didn't find this place till this past summer
[7:14 PM] <Havac> Word-of-mouth online is genuinely as good as any advertising we could do
[7:14 PM] <Atarumaster88> What happened to me Sikon?
[7:14 PM] <Imperialles> Ask if you can put up a Wookieepedia poster at your local comic book store
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[7:14 PM] <jkw100> i just think without a budgdt or a unigying branding policy electronic advertising is going to yield the best reuslts
[7:14 PM] <Madfoot713> I found it two months ago.
[7:14 PM] <Herbsewell> how I've been here awhile
[7:14 PM] <Atarumaster88> What is Sikon doing?
[7:14 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v Thefourdotelipsi by Sikon
[7:14 PM] <JustinGann> i have a question: if all the stupid "bands" can get articles on starwars.com, why not us--we have contributed a lot more than some little known 2bit band that has a dude in a Vader costume
[7:14 PM] <GHe> voice
[7:14 PM] <AceofAces20> I found it and finally became a wookieepedian
[7:14 PM] <jkw100> also its far more likely to tap into the core market of wookieepedia
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[7:14 PM] <Huntster> Would be nice if on facebook there could be an actual "company" group for Wookiee, much like the current schools and actual companies using the stie.
[7:14 PM] <Herbsewell> there is none
[7:14 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v Cutch by Sikon
[7:14 PM] <JustinGann> why cant pablo do an article on US?
[7:14 PM] <Nightmare> Theres so much of a lag that I can't even contribute to any of this. Should I just leave?
[7:14 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> If starwars.com sent them to us, they'd never come back
[7:14 PM] <Atarumaster88> I wouldn't join anything like that on facebook. I like my anonymity
[7:14 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *agrees with JustinGan*
[7:15 PM] <Huntster> JustinGann, because those bands have a higher general popularity.
[7:15 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Wookieepedia should be a big thing in the SW community
[7:15 PM] <Cutch> meh
[7:15 PM] <jSarek> Because people care about bands.
[7:15 PM] <JustinGann> i dont and im people
[7:15 PM] <Darth_Culator> SW.com can't feature us because we have too many opinions.
[7:15 PM] <Herbsewell> what do you mean?
[7:15 PM] <JustinGann> bands dont have opinions?
[7:15 PM] <Cutch> We do?
[7:15 PM] <Darth_Culator> They don't control us all, so they can't link us.
[7:15 PM] <DarthOblivion> me niether
[7:15 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> People don't care about Bantha Tracks
[7:15 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> That wacky Pablo. Pena is nicer.
[7:15 PM] <jSarek> You all need to remember that the majority of SW fans are *not* EU fans. We cater to a fairly small part of the Star Wars fandom.
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[7:15 PM] <DarthOblivion> what's that
[7:15 PM] <riffsyphon1024> YES i found the FB group and joined it
[7:15 PM] <JustinGann> ok
[7:15 PM] <Echo47Delta> I've never heard of most of the bands that they feature on Starwars.com...
[7:15 PM] <Havac> The bands are "cool people can like Star Wars too". We don't fit that demographic
[7:15 PM] <JustinGann> so we go to plan b
[7:15 PM] <Madfoot713> We're not cool.
[7:16 PM] <Herbsewell> That is...?
[7:16 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> [Redacted by administration]
[7:16 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Not EU fan = Not SW fan. :P
[7:16 PM] <Cutch> LOL
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[7:16 PM] <Atarumaster88> Topic?
[7:16 PM] <Herbsewell> Not true
[7:16 PM] <Adamwankenobi> jSarek, that is why more fans need to know about us!
[7:16 PM] <jkw100> sorry could someone clarify for me EU fans?
[7:16 PM] <Herbsewell> Dark Empire would scare anyone away
[7:16 PM] <Atarumaster88> Expanded universe- not the movies
[7:16 PM] <jSarek> Adam: Would they care?
[7:16 PM] <DarkSpork> The thing about starwars.com is they have to be careful.
[7:16 PM] <JustinGann> everyone who goes to GenCon, etc, wear Wookieepedia tshirts and go force your way into all the photos you can, and maybe youll end up in Insider
[7:16 PM] <Echo47Delta> European Union.
[7:16 PM] <jkw100> i see
[7:16 PM] <AceofAces20> expanded universe
[7:16 PM] <Adamwankenobi> I don't know.
[7:16 PM] <riffsyphon1024> major lag now
[7:16 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Hey, Dark Empire had Vima-Da-Boda.
[7:16 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Don't diss it.
[7:16 PM] <Herbsewell> who?
[7:16 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Maybe, maybe not.
[7:16 PM] <Atarumaster88> TOPIC?
[7:16 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> JGann: Pfffft!
[7:16 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Forum for discussion of general SW topics''
[7:16 PM] <DarthOblivion> remember that guy who came in denouncing all eu
[7:16 PM] <LtNOWIS> Man, I am totally lag free.
[7:16 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Fourdot: I wish it were that simple
[7:17 PM] <Imperialles> New topic.
[7:17 PM] <Cutch> Rabble, rabble, rabble
[7:17 PM] <Joker1138> don't like 'Legacy'
[7:17 PM] <DarkSpork> You don't see sw.com articles on TFN, do you?
[7:17 PM] <JustinGann> topic is making people know we are a real boy
[7:17 PM] <Imperialles> WE have already had a consensus track or two regarding this.
[7:17 PM] <DarthOblivion> Do like legacy
[7:17 PM] <Atarumaster88> Do not want separate topics
[7:17 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Blasphemy!
[7:17 PM] <Imperialles> I see no reason to continue the discussion here.
[7:17 PM] <Ozzel> Forum? No.
[7:17 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Legacy can go to hell and get a big fat Infinities sticker slapped on it.
[7:17 PM] <DarkSpork> err, a sw.com article on TFN.
[7:17 PM] <Atarumaster88> Topic, please
[7:17 PM] <Cutch> <sigh>
[7:17 PM] <JustinGann> i still want to know how well known we are on jedinet and swrpgnetwork
[7:17 PM] <Madfoot713> Once again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb
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[7:17 PM] <Darth_Culator> Someone put it on the Mofference board, so I listed it.
[7:17 PM] <Madfoot713> Never mind
[7:17 PM] <JustinGann> topic is advertising Wookieepedia
[7:17 PM] <Joker1138> don't like the 140ABY thing
[7:17 PM] <Madfoot713> My bad.
[7:17 PM] <whop> mm
[7:17 PM] <Atarumaster88> Mute or move on please!
[7:17 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Ah, you know, I would like a general discussion forum.
[7:17 PM] <JustinGann> AtaruMaser, did you catch that
[7:17 PM] <Havac> NO GENERAL DISCUSSION
[7:18 PM] <riffsyphon1024> i will have to break, bbl
[7:18 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +m by Sikon
[7:18 PM] <Atarumaster88> Nope.
[7:18 PM] <GHe> yay for mute
[7:18 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: help article about uploading images.''
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[7:18 PM] <Atarumaster88> Yes, let's have it.
[7:18 PM] <Darth_Culator> OK, unmute it.
[7:18 PM] <Cutch> ???????
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[7:18 PM] <Wookieeperial> Hmm. So Wookieepedia wants pimped on TF.N?
[7:18 PM] <jkw100> who will write it?
[7:18 PM] <DarkSpork> Is uploading images really that hard?
[7:18 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, just copy it wholesale from Wikipedia
[7:18 PM] <JustinGann> oh stink we changed
[7:18 PM] <Wookieeperial> Isn't the thread in Lit. good enough.
[7:18 PM] <Imperialles> Yes, McEwok. =)
[7:18 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v DarkSpork by Sikon
[7:18 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It's already pimped
[7:18 PM] <MoffRebus> may the Force be with you, guys
[7:18 PM] <Cutch> I agree, copy it from WP
[7:18 PM] <Wookieeperial> I think there's an interesting POV issue there.
[7:18 PM] <whop> hehe
[7:18 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Sure
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[7:18 PM] <AceofAces20> yeah I agree w/Atarumaster
[7:18 PM] <Darth_Culator> We should already have one, really.
[7:18 PM] <Atarumaster88> Yeah, but I know the admins get tired of answering this question
[7:19 PM] <Ineedaname> You'd be surrised how many people upload images with summaries like "I found it on Wookieepedia"
[7:19 PM] <Atarumaster88> So let's have it
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[7:19 PM] <Darth_Culator> But we need to make our canon and source policies clearer.
[7:19 PM] <Cutch> As per Culator
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[7:19 PM] <DarkSpork> God, people are dumb
[7:19 PM] <Havac> Help articles are always good.
[7:19 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Ineedaname: So I'm not the only one who's noticed that.
[7:19 PM] <Sikon> o_O
[7:19 PM] <JustinGann> they upload images to us they got from us?
[7:19 PM] <Sikon> RIFF!!!
[7:19 PM] <Herbsewell> Then other people should fix it
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[7:19 PM] <Imperialles> INN: Would you be willing to help write such a policy?
[7:19 PM] <Darth_Culator> JustinGann: All the kriffing time.
[7:19 PM] <Palpy> what?
[7:19 PM] <DarthOblivion> ulfk
[7:19 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> No, they upload them on theforce.net
[7:19 PM] <RoronCorobb> bye Jaina
[7:19 PM] <Palpy> my head hurts
[7:19 PM] <CatoNeimoidia>
[7:19 PM] <VladiusMagnum> lol
[7:19 PM] <Ineedaname> Imp: Yes, definately
[7:19 PM] <Echo47Delta> You always want to give your sources. Especially if it's copyrighted.
[7:19 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> bye
[7:19 PM] <Cutch> Order!
[7:20 PM] <VladiusMagnum> yup
[7:20 PM] <Joker1138> :()
[7:20 PM] <Cutch> Sources are a must
[7:20 PM] <Wookieeperial> *still karking lagging*
[7:20 PM] <Imperialles> Alright. I will help you then, and we can put it on CT whn we're done.
[7:20 PM] <jSarek> DarkSpork: You of all people know that. ;-)
[7:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, where did that Boba Fett image come from?
[7:20 PM] <JustinGann> i would like to add that people have trouble about not understanding the difference between primary and secondary images
[7:20 PM] <Wookieeperial> *Ewok running behind the threadwaggon, on short furry legs*
[7:20 PM] <Ineedaname> The main one?
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[7:20 PM] <Joker1138> the fett image could be better
[7:20 PM] <jSarek> Hell, my *eyes* are lagging, things are getting posted so fast. ;-)
[7:20 PM] <Palpy> lol
[7:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> THe main one.
[7:20 PM] <DarthOblivion> I was wondering about that
[7:20 PM] <DarkSpork> I think folks need to realize that Wookieepedia, or at least participation in Wookieepedia, is not something that a large number of people are going to be interested in doing.
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[7:20 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> They're saying it's a fan image.
[7:20 PM] <Cutch> Sources are a must
[7:20 PM] <JustinGann> i get tired of arguing, "this is what the canon book says" and people arguing back "but CUSWE says THIS!"
[7:20 PM] <Atarumaster88> I agree with DS
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[7:21 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> And the snark master is released.
[7:21 PM] <JustinGann> and people saying Wookieepedia and CUSWE are "reliable" and "accurate"
[7:21 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v DarthOblivion by Sikon
[7:21 PM] <Atarumaster88> What does U stand for in CUSWE? Unofficial!
[7:21 PM] <DarkSpork> The whole canon thing, for instance. There's a minority that cares, and slightly more people who even know what canon is.
[7:21 PM] <Huntster> DarkSpork, indeed. Wookieepedia is a great resource, but it is not for everyone. It's a niche product.
[7:21 PM] <VladiusMagnum> Okay, Bye everybody
[7:21 PM] <jSarek> Bye Vlad.
[7:21 PM] <DarthOblivion> yes ataru
[7:21 PM] <Cutch> peace
[7:21 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Quotes make the world go round.
[7:21 PM] <JustinGann> as much as i love Wookieepedia, its not "accurate"
[7:21 PM] <SillyDan> bits of it are
[7:21 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Am I reading a blog?
[7:21 PM] <Cutch> Explicate
[7:21 PM] <Adamwankenobi> ?
[7:21 PM] <Imperialles> Don't trail off people.
[7:21 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Well...some articles are.
[7:21 PM] <DarkSpork> And I think right where you are on the TFN boards is the best place. That's where those people ARE.
[7:22 PM] <Joker1138> Ataru is good
[7:22 PM] <Imperialles> Alright, a image policy will be made and put up for CT.
[7:22 PM] <Imperialles> Next topic.
[7:22 PM] <JustinGann> it but you cant defend Wookieepedia on the basis of itself
[7:22 PM] <jSarek> And we really don't *need* that many more editors anyway. We already improve things at a good clip, and we'll always get a slow trickle of new users as people find the place.
[7:22 PM] <DarkSpork> Witness how fast the Wookieepedia thread on sw.com fell.
[7:22 PM] <Huntster> aye
[7:22 PM] <JustinGann> starwars.com forums are annoying
[7:22 PM] <JustinGann> TFN is more efficient
[7:22 PM] <DarkSpork> Deal.
[7:22 PM] <Atarumaster88> I agree with jSarek
[7:22 PM] <DarthOblivion> The U stands for Unofficial. Why do you ask?
[7:22 PM] <Sikon> JustinGann> compared to TFN, yes
[7:22 PM] <VladiusMagnum> thank you for the funness of everything
[7:22 PM] <Imperialles> We are not here to discuss Wookieepedia's popularity in the general SW fandom
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[7:22 PM] <Imperialles> Now please be silent and follow the agenda.
[7:22 PM] <Atarumaster88> Topic, please
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[7:22 PM] <Cutch> Next topic
[7:22 PM] <Wookieeperial> Canon - and interpreting canon - is something I want to discuss if we can...
[7:23 PM] <Imperialles> Can we close the damn Real-world quotes CT thread already?
[7:23 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It's probably because we don't want to be noticed by the OS.
[7:23 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yes.
[7:23 PM] <Sikon> Imperialles> SURE
[7:23 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Can we close the damn Real-world quotes CT thread already?''
[7:23 PM] <LtNOWIS> we have an agenda.
[7:23 PM] <DarthOblivion> d.
[7:23 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Even if they do employ people such as yourself. I used the word employ :P
[7:23 PM] <Havac> Do it.
[7:23 PM] <jSarek> Make it so.
[7:23 PM] <Cutch> Aye
[7:23 PM] <JustinGann> i dont care about it, so close it
[7:23 PM] <SillyDan> Well, since I put it on the agenda, only Culator has objected
[7:23 PM] <Darth_Culator> And I think we can, once everyone accepts that facts won't go away just by burying them.
[7:23 PM] <AceofAces20> sure
[7:23 PM] <Havac> Do we have a clear policy on closing CT threads?
[7:23 PM] <DarthOblivion> Close it.
[7:23 PM] <Sikon> no
[7:23 PM] <Echo47Delta> Qa'pla
[7:24 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> There still is no way to know when consensus is reached.
[7:24 PM] <jSarek> Havac: No, which is why I havne't closed many.
[7:24 PM] <jSarek> brb
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[7:24 PM] <SillyDan> and even Culator seemed to agree with parts of the thread -- right?
[7:24 PM] <Havac> We need some kind of policy.
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[7:24 PM] <DarthOblivion> sigh
[7:24 PM] <Darth_Culator> The policy as written still allows me to post all kinds of things people will hate.
[7:24 PM] <JustinGann> there is no such thing as concensus; it like a cross between a hydra, a chimaera, and a unicorn
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[7:24 PM] <Cutch> Man bear pig
[7:24 PM] <Joker1138> I will take my leave, good night all and may the force be with you :)
[7:24 PM] <AceofAces20> odd
[7:24 PM] <Imperialles> What specificall needs changing?
[7:24 PM] <DarthOblivion> that would be col
[7:24 PM] <Imperialles> specifically*
[7:24 PM] <Havac> Open for two weeks, or something, so we don't have people digging up year-old votes thinking their new vote will matter
[7:24 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> JGann: a unhydmaera?
[7:24 PM] <JustinGann> people can put real world quotes on their user pages
[7:24 PM] * Sikon has closed that CT thread
[7:25 PM] <Atarumaster88> Why does Mace have so many death images added?
[7:25 PM] <Atarumaster88> Sorry for off-topic
[7:25 PM] <JustinGann> people were glad he died
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[7:25 PM] <LtNOWIS> the real-world quote page is an artifact of the last mofference.
[7:25 PM] <Sikon> I think that, in general, CT threads should be decided on a case-by-case basis
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[7:25 PM] <jSarek> DIE MORTGAGE SELLERS DIE DIE DIE!!!!!
[7:25 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> You will be. You will be.
[7:25 PM] * Cull_Tremayne kneels in thankfulness
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[7:25 PM] <DarkSpork> I have to go now. Y'all have fun.
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[7:25 PM] <DarthOblivion> why he was awesome
[7:25 PM] <SillyDan> well, that was easy, aside from the taking three months part
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[7:25 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> No
[7:25 PM] <Imperialles> Alright.
[7:25 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Buy DarkSpork
[7:25 PM] <Imperialles> Next topic!
[7:25 PM] <Imperialles> "What is our policy on the increasing number of thematic navigation templates? Several have come up on VFD already; do we need a policy regarding them?"
[7:25 PM] <JustinGann> so what are we discussing now
[7:25 PM] <Atarumaster88> What is that exactly?
[7:25 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Uh, I mean, bye.
[7:25 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> "Who keeps leaving the toilet seat up?"
[7:25 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Thematic navigation templates.''
[7:25 PM] <Imperialles> I say we should embrace these navigation templates
[7:25 PM] <Sikon> yes
[7:26 PM] <JustinGann> I think like "Mandalorian Warships; Mon Cal Warships"
[7:26 PM] <jSarek> She ain't cheap, Adamwan.
[7:26 PM] <Darth_Culator> As do I.
[7:26 PM] <Sikon> in fact, I created some
[7:26 PM] <SillyDan> I say we should allow in-universe ones
[7:26 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> I like the nav templates. But some of them are massive.
[7:26 PM] <Havac> I don't care one way or another.
[7:26 PM] <Adamwankenobi> :)
[7:26 PM] <Ineedaname> This is things like Template:Covenant, right?
[7:26 PM] <Cutch> Disambiguity is paramount
[7:26 PM] <Sikon> k1char, k2char, kotor
[7:26 PM] <JustinGann> i love those
[7:26 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> yep
[7:26 PM] <Imperialles> They help people unfamiliar with Star Wars to find articles relating to their specific interests
[7:26 PM] <Sikon> defended Covenant on VFD
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[7:26 PM] <DarthOblivion> yep
[7:26 PM] <JustinGann> they make navigating easier
[7:26 PM] <LtNOWIS> yeah, I like those.
[7:26 PM] <Cutch> As Imp said
[7:26 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Sort of
[7:26 PM] <SillyDan> as long as they aren't bigger than the articles themselves, and don't introduce categories, etc.
[7:26 PM] <Imperialles> Yeah.
[7:26 PM] <Sikon> yes, they shouldn't introduce categories
[7:26 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> The KOTOR ones are good. The Star Destroyer ones et al are too big.
[7:26 PM] <AceofAces20> yeah
[7:26 PM] <jkw100> I agree they are suefull but when they are on more than one page it seems a little longwinded
[7:26 PM] <DarthOblivion> of course
[7:26 PM] <Huntster> NavTemps are great, so long as there aren't multiple versions of the same thing floating around, as tends to happen.
[7:26 PM] <Cutch> ... and as SillyDan said
[7:26 PM] <SadrielFett> I agree. I think they're very useful.
[7:26 PM] <JustinGann> one of human characters would be ridiculous
[7:27 PM] <Ineedaname> And aren't stupid things like "People with green eyes"
[7:27 PM] <SadrielFett> Helped me out when I first started on here.
[7:27 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Internal links do the same thing as the boxes, so they aren't really needed. They're just flashy.
[7:27 PM] <Imperialles> I don't think a policy is needed, only common sense.
[7:27 PM] <Sikon> -- do we need a Jedi navigation template? --
[7:27 PM] <DarthOblivion> Agreed
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[7:27 PM] <Sikon> or Sith
[7:27 PM] <Darth_Culator> I think we might need a size limit.
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[7:27 PM] <JustinGann> i disagree with Tremayn
[7:27 PM] <LtNOWIS> There's nothing wrong with flashiness
[7:27 PM] <SadrielFett> Agree with the common sense thing.
[7:27 PM] <JustinGann> e
[7:27 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Imp: Sadly, that's lacking on Wookiepedia.
[7:27 PM] <Wookieeperial> Makes sense to me.
[7:27 PM] <Atarumaster88> Riff, can you make Sentry an admin now?
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[7:27 PM] <Nightmare> Is the Mofference still on?
[7:27 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Riffsyphon1024 by Darth_Culator
[7:27 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ok hopefully that cleared some memory up
[7:27 PM] <AceofAces20> Imp>pity most don't have any
[7:27 PM] <JustinGann> I think the templates made it very easy to study KOTOR characters
[7:27 PM] <RoronCorobb> hi riff
[7:27 PM] <Kalo_Shin> o.o
[7:27 PM] <SadrielFett> yes, Nightmare.
[7:27 PM] <jkw100> i agree common sense should be the only policy needed anything else may become too restrictive
[7:27 PM] <Sikon> Riff, can Sentry have his ops now?
[7:27 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> has he been fully approved?
[7:27 PM] <Atarumaster88> Yes
[7:27 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Just in but i agree with justin
[7:27 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Navigation_templates
[7:27 PM] <RoronCorobb> yes
[7:27 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> study?
[7:27 PM] <jSarek> Imp: "I don't think a policy is needed, only common sense." QFT.
[7:27 PM] <Sikon> I think it's a clear case anyway
[7:27 PM] <Nightmare> What's the topic?
[7:28 PM] <Echo47Delta> Common Sense is lacking in the world in general...
[7:28 PM] <Cutch> Swearing Sentry in?
[7:28 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> g2g guys
[7:28 PM] <CatoNeimoidia> bye
[7:28 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo: SWAT!
[7:28 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah...I wanna nominates breathesgelatin, buts theres already two peoples up theres.
[7:28 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> any others confirm?
[7:28 PM] <jSarek> Bye Cato.
[7:28 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Swat?
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[7:28 PM] <Darth_Culator> It is 11/11 by UTC, so yes.
[7:28 PM] <Atarumaster88> See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RFA
[7:28 PM] <Sikon> in an ideal world, yes, we wouldn't need policy
[7:28 PM] <AceofAces20> good pt
[7:28 PM] <Adamwankenobi> Cutch: No swearing, rememeber?
[7:28 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> You aint SWAT , you aint squat.
[7:28 PM] <JustinGann> you made fun of my name;)
[7:28 PM] <Adamwankenobi> :P
[7:28 PM] <Wookieeperial> Can we build more complex template series - indexes, as it were....
[7:28 PM] <Cutch> LOL
[7:28 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I do not get it :\...
[7:28 PM] <LtNOWIS> Wikipedia is just crazy with the Navigation templates. They have ones like "Middle East conflict" that take up the whole screen.
[7:28 PM] <DarthOblivion> lol
[7:28 PM] <JustinGann> you said "just in but I agree with Justin"
[7:28 PM] <SillyDan> McEwok: you'd have to give me an example of that
[7:28 PM] <JustinGann> that was confusing to read
[7:28 PM] <Sikon> well, LtNOWIS
[7:28 PM] <jkw100> its a complex topic
[7:28 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, but you can hide those ones.
[7:28 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> elipsis: There's no limit to nominations
[7:29 PM] <JustinGann> stink is McEwok here?
[7:29 PM] <jSarek> And I'm not too fond of them to begin with.
[7:29 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Lol i didnt really think about it.
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[7:29 PM] <JustinGann> oh
[7:29 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Cull: Really...
[7:29 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i meant, Im just coming in but i agree with justin :\.
[7:29 PM] <Havac> Templates are good, and any that are crazy can get VFD'd
[7:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> Two more RFAs fourdot? Who?
[7:29 PM] <Imperialles> Does anyone want to get rid of navigation templates? If not, let's move on.
[7:29 PM] <jkw100> the middle east not whether or not to have naviagtion templates
[7:29 PM] <Wookieeperial> Take this, for instance... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Mon_Calamari_starship_classes
[7:29 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i dont.
[7:29 PM] <SillyDan> NOWIS: Wikipedia does something where the navs disappear if you view them several times
[7:29 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ok so time expired on Sentry's vote i see why you ask now
[7:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> Do not remove nav templates. Just don't be crazy about it
[7:29 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> AM88, I think you know...
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[7:29 PM] <DarthOblivion> we don't have anything that complex
[7:29 PM] <JustinGann> i like the Mon Cal one
[7:29 PM] <Sikon> SillyDan> I can code such a thing, I think
[7:29 PM] <Cutch> That's ture, Wikipedia is pretty liberal with their templates, and since everyone wants Wookieepedia to be Wiki's little bro, it seems appropriate
[7:29 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I like it because it fills my need for knowledge alot more.
[7:29 PM] <Darth_Culator> That's what I mean by a size limit.
[7:29 PM] <Wookieeperial> Couldn't that be broken up into a Big Momma Fish Template leading to a series of subtemplates
[7:29 PM] <Tnu> Did I miss the Moffrence?
[7:29 PM] <Sikon> with JS
[7:29 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Breathsegelatin. And you Ataru, but you said you hadn't been there long enough. Jasca Ducato is also up at the moment, but...please.
[7:29 PM] <Wookieeperial> *waves at Cilghal*
[7:29 PM] <Sikon> Tnu> no
[7:29 PM] <Darth_Culator> Kuat Starship Classes is huge, too.
[7:29 PM] <GHe> we're near the end
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[7:29 PM] <Atarumaster88> Cull:Maybe
[7:29 PM] <GHe> though
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[7:29 PM] <Wookieeperial> Sorry about the bloody lag, everyone.
[7:30 PM] <Nightmare> I keep gitting booted!
[7:30 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Ah, the guy that told me to shut up.
[7:30 PM] <JustinGann> hey, Big Momma Fish is MY adjective
[7:30 PM] <RC-9393> good night@all
[7:30 PM] <Atarumaster88> Topic
[7:30 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Shameless self-promotion:P
[7:30 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Personally i like the templates, I mod a star wars game and when i need to know about something the templates really help.
[7:30 PM] <Darth_Culator> New topic?
[7:30 PM] <Imperialles> Moving on...
[7:30 PM] <Imperialles> Being able to quickly cover the the new articles that will quickly spring up from the soon to be released novel,
[7:30 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: Fast/early coverage of new releases.''
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[7:30 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> its official now
[7:30 PM] <JustinGann> i didnt realize we had a KDY template
[7:30 PM] <Imperialles> That.
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[7:30 PM] <jkw100> as someone said earlier a large amount of users browse when bored so navigation templates seem a good way to encourage broader browsing and a greater usership
[7:30 PM] <Wookieeperial> Okay. Leaving and restarting to try to beat the lag.
[7:30 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> That's easy enough.
[7:30 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> Sentry is the newest admin
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[7:30 PM] <DarthOblivion> that;s been a problem
[7:30 PM] <Atarumaster88> Can we also discuss bad objections to FA noms? I asked earlier when it was the topic and was ignored
[7:30 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> [Redacted by administration]
[7:30 PM] * SillyDan hasn't read much EU from this century, so he's dropping out
[7:30 PM] <Cutch> Fast coverage: yes. Early/preview coverage: NO.
[7:30 PM] <Atarumaster88> Congrats Sentry
[7:30 PM] <Echo47Delta> I think that templates look prettyful, but what do I know?
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[7:30 PM] <Madfoot713> (Gotta go, cya)
[7:31 PM] <jSarek> Bye leaving peope.
[7:31 PM] <GHe> Sentry_: congrats
[7:31 PM] <jSarek> People.
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[7:31 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Dang
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Id like it if we could get more photos for ships/people in 3,000 BBY and up.
[7:31 PM] <Madfoot713> (I'll be on later, probably)
[7:31 PM] <Cutch> c ya
[7:31 PM] <Nightmare> I think that it should just have mega spolier warning
[7:31 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Yeah, bad FA objections are riddling Panaka, Jar Jar and Rugor Nass. It's annoying, and they won't even strike their objections.
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> :\
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[7:31 PM] <Sentry_> thanks all
[7:31 PM] <DarthOblivion> it's difficult to get fast coverage sometimes
[7:31 PM] <LtNOWIS> Preview coverage is ok in my book.
[7:31 PM] <Imperialles> Ataru: I will include it in my final proposal
[7:31 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo Shin: photos?
[7:31 PM] <JustinGann> do you mean scans
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Yeah.
[7:31 PM] <LtNOWIS> If it's officially released
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Yes, And photos from movies or games...
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Thats fine, But like
[7:31 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo: I suggest you see the KOTOR and TOTJ index pages
[7:31 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Seriously...
[7:31 PM] <Kalo_Shin> The mandalorian dreadnaught, I want to know what THAT looks like.
[7:31 PM] <Atarumaster88> Imp:Thanks
[7:31 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> no problem Sentry
[7:32 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I dont mean just KOTOR.
[7:32 PM] <JustinGann> well we have the Tales of the Jedi Index
[7:32 PM] <AceofAces20> shi. so do i
[7:32 PM] <Cutch> If officially released, yes. But none of this "I-got-my-hands-on-a-copy-early" mess.
[7:32 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Dont believe i know what that is.
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[7:32 PM] <Darth_Culator> Agree with Cutch.
[7:32 PM] <jSarek> WB McEwok.
[7:32 PM] <Havac> Information shown as released
[7:32 PM] <Sikon> yes
[7:32 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> are we talking about indexes?
[7:32 PM] <Sikon> Cutch makes sense
[7:32 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> agree with Culator :D
[7:32 PM] <Darth_Culator> Early Betrayal spoilers drove me nuts.
[7:32 PM] <JustinGann> no we arent
[7:32 PM] <Wookieeperial> Have I missed anything?
[7:32 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Well
[7:32 PM] <Kalo_Shin> One thing
[7:32 PM] <JustinGann> nothing understandable
[7:32 PM] <jSarek> Nor really.
[7:32 PM] <Sikon> besides, early content can get us in legal trouble
[7:32 PM] <Ineedaname> Agree with Cutch
[7:33 PM] <Nightmare> Culator: YES
[7:33 PM] <Havac> anything unverifiable has to go
[7:33 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Some....cool stuff like the loader in the knights of the old republic series
[7:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> Agree with Sikon and Culator
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[7:33 PM] <Sikon> Havac> true
[7:33 PM] <Kalo_Shin> all we have is a photo of his eye...
[7:33 PM] <Darth_Culator> I say ban any details from books before the release date unless posted on the OS.
[7:33 PM] <Atarumaster88> Agree with Culator
[7:33 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> sikon: yes, we should wait until the release date for new info
[7:33 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I dont like that, The small photo i saw wasnt enough :\.
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[7:33 PM] <DarthOblivion> I ignore the spoilers unless I know I'm never going to get the book
[7:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> But comic previews from darkhorse.com or post-release date stuff is ok.
[7:33 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> it ruins things for me on the wiki, especially with legacy
[7:33 PM] <Atarumaster88> Wait for release date, except for what NOWIS said
[7:33 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Culator: Way too hard to enforce/implement
[7:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> yeah, for big stuff, I just drop off from the site until I get ti.
[7:33 PM] <LtNOWIS> it*
[7:33 PM] <Sikon> so, does anyone disagree that we shouldn't accept leaks?
[7:33 PM] <McEwok> *back for the third time*
[7:33 PM] <DarthOblivion> agreed
[7:34 PM] <jkw100> right well I have to go this has been my first time here so thanks everyone and bye
[7:34 PM] <SadrielFett> I think we should wait until something is released.
[7:34 PM] <jSarek> WB McEwok.
[7:34 PM] <Havac> Leaks are unverifiable and so have to go
[7:34 PM] <Imperialles> If info has been confirmed we have to include it
[7:34 PM] <Cutch> Bye jkw
[7:34 PM] <LtNOWIS> Well, sometimes you can legally buy stuff before release date.
[7:34 PM] <Imperialles> Spoiler tags will be used
[7:34 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> plus to be fair to LFL
[7:34 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Who cares? Legacy is junk.
[7:34 PM] <SadrielFett> Yes, no accepting of leaks.
[7:34 PM] <Darth_Culator> Seriously. Drove. Me. Insane.
[7:34 PM] <Imperialles> this policy has existed for over a year
[7:34 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> quiet fourdot
[7:34 PM] <Nightmare> Aggred
[7:34 PM] <Sikon> *cough* previews *cough*
[7:34 PM] <jSarek> Breathe, Fourdot.
[7:34 PM] <AceofAces20> bye jkw
[7:34 PM] <Nightmare> *agreed
[7:34 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> enough legacy bashing
[7:34 PM] <JustinGann> i bought NEGAS 4 days before release date
[7:34 PM] <Darth_Culator> I mean, "Darth Vectivus"???
[7:34 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Dont do that lipsi.
[7:34 PM] <LtNOWIS> 2 or 3 days before Bloodlines, I rolled into Books a Million and picked it up.
[7:34 PM] <Darth_Culator> How was I to know it was real?
[7:34 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Thats bull.
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[7:34 PM] <DarthOblivion> Legacy is not junk
[7:34 PM] <JustinGann> i like Legacy
[7:34 PM] <Sikon> PEOPLE
[7:35 PM] <Atarumaster88> No bashing. Stay on topic please
[7:35 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> Legacy is Canon, get over it
[7:35 PM] <JustinGann> hehe
[7:35 PM] <Sikon> this is not for discussing Legacy
[7:35 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Well theres a reason for stuff like "Sorry for the mess"
[7:35 PM] <RoronCorobb> tgis si getting off topic
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[7:35 PM] <Kalo_Shin> :\
[7:35 PM] <McEwok> Links can legitimately go in BtS, surely?
[7:35 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> moving on
[7:35 PM] <RoronCorobb> this *
[7:35 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> tgis?
[7:35 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> That is a nice asterisk.
[7:35 PM] <JustinGann> Sorry for the mess, how did that come up
[7:35 PM] <Imperialles> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Editcount/editcount.js
[7:35 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference in session! Current topic: The Edit Counter.''
[7:35 PM] <Darth_Culator> GHe?
[7:35 PM] <Sikon> a useful thing
[7:35 PM] <Imperialles> Click on the above link to see your edits!
[7:35 PM] <GHe> yes
[7:35 PM] <Imperialles> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Editcount/editcount.js !
[7:35 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> It's good stuff.
[7:35 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> its what is on the cleanup template
[7:35 PM] <Nightmare> I like the edit counter
[7:35 PM] <Atarumaster88> How does it work? Does it work in IE?
[7:35 PM] <DarthOblivion> useful
[7:35 PM] <Darth_Culator> Edit counter!
[7:35 PM] <Cutch> Agreed as per Sikon
[7:35 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Also
[7:35 PM] <Imperialles> It's wonderful
[7:35 PM] <GHe> not IE
[7:35 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Not in IE.
[7:35 PM] <LtNOWIS> It only works on Firefox, I think.
[7:35 PM] <Darth_Culator> Works in Firefox.
[7:35 PM] <Darth_Culator> And nothing else.
[7:35 PM] <GHe> (un)fortunately
[7:35 PM] <Ineedaname> Just don't try checking people who have loads :P
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[7:36 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I would like it if we could get more info on the cut content from the game FOC.
[7:36 PM] <Atarumaster88> Oh well
[7:36 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> works somewhat in firefox
[7:36 PM] <Havac> does anything work in IE?
[7:36 PM] <Sikon> it involves XMLHttpRequest, I think?
[7:36 PM] <GHe> works in Opera too
[7:36 PM] <Nightmare> The edit counter really helps you pick out vandalism etc
[7:36 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Why does that need to be brought up?
[7:36 PM] <SillyDan> only don't try it on Kuralyov or Nebulax, it takes forever to calculate! 8)
[7:36 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> What is there to discuss?
[7:36 PM] <GHe> and mostly everything else
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[7:36 PM] <Darth_Culator> Takes a long time to calculate Kuralyov and Nebulax.
[7:36 PM] <AceofAces20> sounds cool
[7:36 PM] <GHe> yes
[7:36 PM] <DarthOblivion> It worked for me on Netscape and firefox
[7:36 PM] <Atarumaster88> Lol
[7:36 PM] <Ineedaname> I only know of 2 things cut from FoC
[7:36 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> try mine
[7:36 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Tremayne : Are you talking to me?
[7:36 PM] <GHe> and Opera
[7:36 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Oh i can tell a few things.
[7:36 PM] <GHe> Browser
[7:36 PM] <GHe> IE goes blank
[7:36 PM] <Kalo_Shin> The scavenger droid, Tractor beam satellite, The eclipse full built.
[7:36 PM] <GHe> when displaying the results
[7:36 PM] <Echo47Delta> IE is of the past.
[7:36 PM] <Sikon> so what is preventing it from working in IE?
[7:36 PM] <SillyDan> Kalo: on topic, please
[7:36 PM] <Kalo_Shin> And alot more if im not wrong.
[7:36 PM] <Cutch> Okay, guys, gotta go, have a rehearsal soon
[7:36 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> kark IE
[7:36 PM] <jSarek> Bye Kutch.
[7:36 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> later cutch
[7:36 PM] <Imperialles> Hmm, alright
[7:36 PM] <GHe> probably Microsoft coding
[7:37 PM] <Sikon> well, people
[7:37 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Kalo Shin->I don't think anyone is talking to you. No offense.
[7:37 PM] <DarthOblivion> see ya
[7:37 PM] <JainaSolo> Later Cutch
[7:37 PM] <Atarumaster88> per Riff- IE can be annoying
[7:37 PM] <Imperialles> WE actually covered the entire agenda today!
[7:37 PM] <Sikon> we may not like IE - and we have the right to do so
[7:37 PM] <Adamwankenobi> bye cutch
[7:37 PM] <Kalo_Shin> None taken tremayne.
[7:37 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Kind of a big meeting.
[7:37 PM] <Sikon> but the fact remains that 80-something percent of the Internet use it
[7:37 PM] <LtNOWIS> Wow, I did not think we'd get through it.
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[7:37 PM] <Nightmare> Imp: It's done?
[7:37 PM] <RoronCorobb> is this over then
[7:37 PM] <Imperialles> I bid you dark farewells, this Mofference is over.
[7:37 PM] <DarthOblivion> Microsoft!!
[7:37 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> the lag is gone for now
[7:37 PM] <SillyDan> well, let's do a checklist first
[7:37 PM] <Darth_Culator> The floor is now open.
[7:37 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> its over?
[7:37 PM] <RoronCorobb> Lets have a big pie throwing party!
[7:37 PM] <Imperialles> Thanks for participating, everyone!
[7:37 PM] <JM76> Its over?
[7:37 PM] <Nightmare> Mofference over?
[7:37 PM] <Redemption> How about npt
[7:37 PM] <Kalo_Shin> its over?
[7:37 PM] <Redemption> *not
[7:37 PM] <jSarek> Let's have some open floor time.
[7:37 PM] <Sikon> wait
[7:37 PM] <SillyDan> makes sure we finished everything
[7:37 PM] <GHe> in a way
[7:37 PM] <DarthOblivion> Yay
[7:37 PM] <Sikon> entire agenda?
[7:37 PM] <JainaSolo> It's over?
[7:37 PM] <Nightmare> *hits keyboard sleeping*
[7:37 PM] <RoronCorobb> Pie throwing party!
[7:38 PM] <Redemption> Urgh..
[7:38 PM] <AceofAces20> cya cutch
[7:38 PM] <JainaSolo> lol
[7:38 PM] <Sikon> I thought it began 37 minutes ago
[7:38 PM] <JM76> Hurtles pies
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *pieK-47*
[7:38 PM] <DarthOblivion> Again yay
[7:38 PM] <JustinGann> KALO--leave me a not on my talk page and ill try helping you find some things
[7:38 PM] <Darth_Culator> It's over officially, so we can open the floor for other WOOKIEEPEDIA RELATED TOPICS.
[7:38 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Where is Jaymach?
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *pie catapult
[7:38 PM] <JM76> PIE CATAPULT!!!
[7:38 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> well now, then i can concentrate on this C4 page
[7:38 PM] <LtNOWIS> This is what I was talking about earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:World_War_II
[7:38 PM] <RoronCorobb> *Throws pie
[7:38 PM] <jSarek> Sikon: Hour and 37 ago.
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *pie-zooka*
[7:38 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> NM, I'll just read the Mofference page
[7:38 PM] <JM76> Im done
[7:38 PM] <Kalo_Shin> what justin?
[7:38 PM] <Havac> Objections to FAs were brought up: what happens when old objections are fixed but not struck by objector?
[7:38 PM] <JM76> cya everyone!
[7:38 PM] <DarthOblivion> pie catapalt
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *pie blaster*
[7:38 PM] <Sikon> NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
[7:38 PM] <RoronCorobb> Uses lightsaber to deflect pie
[7:38 PM] <GHe> wow, only 1h37?
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *pie cannon*
[7:38 PM] <Bub> *throws pie at JM76*
[7:38 PM] <jSarek> Bye JM.
[7:38 PM] <GHe> that's short
[7:38 PM] <Sikon> I MISSED ALL MY TOPICS!!!!!!!!!!!!
[7:38 PM] <Echo47Delta> Mazel Tov!
[7:38 PM] <JM76> hey!
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *apple suprise*
[7:38 PM] <RoronCorobb> throws pie
[7:38 PM] <JM76> Hurtles pie at Bub
[7:38 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ...now they goof off....
[7:38 PM] <Nightmare> *chery grenade*
[7:38 PM] <Bub> eats pie
[7:38 PM] <DarthOblivion> how can you deflect the pie
[7:38 PM] <RoronCorobb> dodges*
[7:38 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *uses the force to block all pies*
[7:38 PM] <GHe> Sikon: yes you did :)
[7:38 PM] <JM76> and Roron
[7:38 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Sikon: I was wondering about that.
[7:38 PM] <SillyDan> Yes, let's all talk on Havac's suggestion
[7:39 PM] <Huntster> btw Riffsyphon1024, hello from another Tennessean (noticed your name on the Wookieepedians by region page)
[7:39 PM] <JM76> blocks pies with the Force
[7:39 PM] <Nightmare> *pumpkin pelter*
[7:39 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> which was?
[7:39 PM] <JustinGann> what is Havacs suggestion
[7:39 PM] <SillyDan> Some FA objections are made my people who disappear
[7:39 PM] <RoronCorobb> pumpkin pelter
[7:39 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> got moved to fast
[7:39 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> where are you from Huntster?
[7:39 PM] <Nightmare> *lemon cannon*
[7:39 PM] * Sikon rolls his head on the keyboard
[7:39 PM] <DarthOblivion> cheater
[7:39 PM] <RoronCorobb> dodges pie*
[7:39 PM] <JustinGann> Tennessean is an alien on Trek, we cant discuss Trek here
[7:39 PM] <Sikon> mn bvcxbnmmmm,. ,m.\
[7:39 PM] <Sikon> +mn bvcxbnmmmm,. ,m.\
[7:39 PM] <Huntster> at MTSU in Murfreesboro right now.
[7:39 PM] <Havac> What happens when old FA objections are fixed, but not struck by objector?
[7:39 PM] <jSarek> Breathe, Sikon. ;-)
[7:39 PM] <Bub> *steals pie*
[7:39 PM] <Atarumaster88> [Redacted by administration]
[7:39 PM] <SillyDan> [Redacted by administration]
[7:39 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ah
[7:39 PM] <Nightmare> *pie death blossem*
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[7:39 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, can we strike objections if they are unwarranted, stupid, or the objector does not respond?
[7:39 PM] <Havac> Or when community consensus rules them spurious?
[7:39 PM] <DarthOblivion> no
[7:39 PM] <Nightmare> *death star pie ray*
[7:39 PM] <RoronCorobb> jumps over pie
[7:39 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i know a few people who went to MTSU
[7:39 PM] <Huntster> originally from Waverly
[7:39 PM] <Darth_Culator> Havac: Someone with a bansaber strikes for them.
[7:39 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> [Redacted by administration]
[7:39 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Enough with the PIE!
[7:39 PM] <JustinGann> i went to MWSU
[7:39 PM] <AceofAces20> stupid computer is too slow
[7:39 PM] <Sentry_> I will be right back
[7:39 PM] <Atarumaster88> Imp said he'd talk about FA objections in his proposal
[7:39 PM] <DarthOblivion> Death by pie
[7:40 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> been in Clarksville all long
[7:40 PM] <Nightmare> *"pie"ton torpedo*
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[7:40 PM] <jSarek> Okay, we obviously need a better way of stating times for next Mofference, so stuff like Sikon missing two-thirds of the meeting doesn't happen.
[7:40 PM] <RoronCorobb> pie firing star destroyer
[7:40 PM] <Bub> That pie thing just proves how young a lot of Wookieepedians are.
[7:40 PM] <JM76> drops pie bomb on Nightmare until it piles a mile high
[7:40 PM] <Huntster> nice city, Clarksville. Waverly is just south of there, so made an occasional visit.
[7:40 PM] <Atarumaster88> Agrees with Bub
[7:40 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *uses flow-walking to go back in time and prevent the pie throwing from starting*
[7:40 PM] <Havac> Sikon was busy, wasn't he?
[7:40 PM] <JM76> ya
[7:40 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i just came according to my time zone, 5 pm CST
[7:40 PM] <Sikon> no
[7:40 PM] <JM76> anyway
[7:40 PM] <Nightmare> *base delta zero pie*
[7:40 PM] <Sikon> I was sleeping
[7:40 PM] <GHe> no
[7:40 PM] <JustinGann> Hacav had an idea?
[7:40 PM] <DarthOblivion> Pie Crusher
[7:40 PM] <JM76> im done
[7:40 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Condescending remarks nonwithstanding, Enough with the PIE!
[7:40 PM] <AceofAces20> thats a record
[7:40 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> yea i attend APSU
[7:40 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Damn straight. You see, by acting like an adult, I can fool people into thinking I'm a child.
[7:40 PM] <Sikon> got confused by this DST thing
[7:40 PM] <Huntster> indeed. I think the time zone thing worked well.
[7:40 PM] <DarthOblivion> Pie is great
[7:41 PM] <Atarumaster88> This is done, I'm logging off. Later.
[7:41 PM] <GHe> ah
[7:41 PM] <GHe> 1h late?
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[7:41 PM] * SillyDan curses Ben Franklin
[7:41 PM] <RoronCorobb> ahhhhhhhhhh IM HIT!
[7:41 PM] <Nightmare> I attended my first mofference! YAY!
[7:41 PM] <JustinGann> i would like to propose a topic
[7:41 PM] <Thefourdotelipsi> Now let's blow this place and go home!
[7:41 PM] <JM76> Im doing exactly the opposite of what Four dots said
[7:41 PM] <jSarek> Bye Ataru.
[7:41 PM] <Huntster> Thought about attending APSU, but the cost was somewhat higher than I cared to spend. not to mention I wanted to be closer to Nashville.
[7:41 PM] <Darth_Culator> Next time, we just say the UTC.
[7:41 PM] <JustinGann> Nightmare is still jsut a Moff Jr Grade
[7:41 PM] <AceofAces20> DUCK AND COVER!!!!
[7:41 PM] =-= LtNOWIS has changed the topic to ``Mofference over''
[7:41 PM] <GHe> exactly
[7:41 PM] <JM76> about maturity
[7:41 PM] <Darth_Culator> Let everyone convert for themselves.
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[7:41 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i thought it was cheaper than MTSU
[7:41 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Justin, please do
[7:41 PM] <GHe> yay Mofference over :P
[7:41 PM] <RoronCorobb> pull back!
[7:41 PM] <JM76> alright cya!
[7:41 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> but for me its a ditto decision
[7:41 PM] <Nightmare> JustinGann: I'm only 13
[7:41 PM] <JM76> pull back :P
[7:41 PM] <JustinGann> OK I HAVE SOMETHIGN TO SAY!
[7:41 PM] <Kalo_Shin> ?
[7:41 PM] <Bub> WHAT IS IT?
[7:41 PM] <JustinGann> haha
[7:41 PM] <DarthOblivion> what?
[7:41 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> please boot the pie-sayers
[7:41 PM] <Adamwankenobi> *listens*
[7:41 PM] <jSarek> Justin: Looks like we're not getting open floor time in the Mofference proper, but put it out there anyway.
[7:42 PM] <JM76> Hey Im 14 :P
[7:42 PM] <JainaSolo> Awwwww, it's over :(
[7:42 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> no caps please
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[7:42 PM] <Nightmare> k
[7:42 PM] <DarthOblivion> OK. Enough pie.
[7:42 PM] <JustinGann> but i was shouting on purpose;)
[7:42 PM] <Huntster> Riffsyphon1024, hmm, dunno. I know I originally attended UT Martin because it was cheaper than AP.
[7:42 PM] <Havac> It isn't CANNONBALL is it?
[7:42 PM] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference over, floor open, non-Wookieepedia-related chatter still subject to muting and/or kicking.''
[7:42 PM] <JM76> Bye!
[7:42 PM] <Nightmare> No more pie...
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[7:42 PM] <JustinGann> i would like to know peoples opinion on conjecturally named articles
[7:42 PM] =-= LtNOWIS has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Mofference over Channel status: active''
[7:42 PM] <RoronCorobb> No more pie
[7:42 PM] <Darth_Culator> I like them.
[7:42 PM] <RoronCorobb> im full
[7:42 PM] <Darth_Culator> A lot.
[7:42 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ok ill follow the rules Darth
[7:42 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i like it
[7:42 PM] <JustinGann> originally, each had its own article
[7:42 PM] <Nightmare> ...Pudding fight!
[7:42 PM] <jSarek> Oh, yeah, I have mod power here, too . . . need to figure out how to use that.
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[7:42 PM] <Kalo_Shin> better than calling it "That other ship"
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[7:42 PM] <JustinGann> but a lot of people didnt like that
[7:42 PM] <Nightmare> *throws pudding
[7:42 PM] <Huntster> meh.
[7:42 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, titles like Vongerella.
[7:42 PM] <Darth_Culator> I am annoyed at people who want to lump them into lists or delete them.
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[7:42 PM] <DarthOblivion> No pudding
[7:42 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Should they be used?
[7:43 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Depends
[7:43 PM] <Nightmare> No pudding...
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[7:43 PM] <Havac> Keep them, no lists or deletions
[7:43 PM] <Nightmare> ...Cake fight!
[7:43 PM] <Kalo_Shin> But i will slap someone if they say "Mandalorian frigate" isnt enough.
[7:43 PM] <McEwok> Me too.
[7:43 PM] <Adamwankenobi> OK, well, I've gotta go take a shower and wash all of this pie off. See you guys later.
[7:43 PM] <DarthOblivion> No
[7:43 PM] <Nightmare> *throws cake*
[7:43 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Please leave if you're just going to spam.
[7:43 PM] <jSarek> I am annoyed at people who want to delete them or leave them as full articles. ;-)
[7:43 PM] <JustinGann> Darth Culator: I lumped the vehicles into a catalogue because people didnt like them and it was causing arguments
[7:43 PM] <DarthOblivion> Stop
[7:43 PM] <Darth_Culator> I would like to have both a list/gallery AND a stub for each.
[7:43 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Agreed.
[7:43 PM] <JM76> *Tosses last pie at Bub and RUNS!
[7:43 PM] <McEwok> Can we perhaps detitle them.
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[7:43 PM] <AceofAces20> gng dwnstrs
[7:43 PM] <JustinGann> Darth Culator: Personally, I would be happy with that
[7:43 PM] <Sentry_> I don't mind them, but often times they make more sense when they are merged and given some sort of context
[7:43 PM] * SillyDan is on the phone
[7:43 PM] <Havac> Lists and stubs together are good
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[7:43 PM] <Imperialles> Riff
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[7:43 PM] <jSarek> Regular IRC users: What's difference between ban and kick here?
[7:43 PM] <JustinGann> is Lt Nowis still here?
[7:44 PM] <McEwok> ie, use "Vongerella" as the link, and in bts, but have a {{title|}} header to blank the title field?
[7:44 PM] <LtNOWIS> I'm here
[7:44 PM] <JustinGann> ok
[7:44 PM] <Darth_Culator> Kick=temp, ban=can't rejoin
[7:44 PM] <GHe> kick kicks
[7:44 PM] <GHe> ban prevents rejoin
[7:44 PM] <JustinGann> well this is going back a bit, but Lt Nowis had an idea
[7:44 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Ah, that could work
[7:44 PM] <McEwok> Can I suggest lists of stubs.
[7:44 PM] <Imperialles> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship
[7:44 PM] <JustinGann> that we divide them up a bit, ie, a page on anonymous speeder bikes, etc
[7:44 PM] <jSarek> Kick is just until someone manages to reconnect?
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[7:44 PM] <GHe> and then there's autorem
[7:44 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Everyone
[7:44 PM] <GHe> basicallyu
[7:44 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> just fixed a link for you there Imp
[7:44 PM] <GHe> well
[7:44 PM] <McEwok> As I said with the templates before I left...
[7:44 PM] <McEwok> We can have more complex list structures.
[7:44 PM] <GHe> kick just kicks out of the channel
[7:44 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i WANT to see more concept art that all game companies and lucas arts left out.
[7:44 PM] <Imperialles> Thanks Riff
[7:44 PM] <JustinGann> Culator, Kalo, what do yall think of Nowis's idea
[7:44 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I may be the only one thats interested but really :\.
[7:45 PM] <GHe> if a user has autojoin, they rejoin in less than 5sec
[7:45 PM] <Imperialles> Is there any requirement you wish to change/add?
[7:45 PM] <Kalo_Shin> His idea?
[7:45 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> one too many s's in bureatcrats
[7:45 PM] <Imperialles> or remove.
[7:45 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I can barely read it.
[7:45 PM] <DarthOblivion> I'm gonn go continue my game. See ya.
[7:45 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> well id like them to be existing admins
[7:45 PM] <jSarek> Bye Oblivion.
[7:45 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> cya Oblivion
[7:45 PM] <LtNOWIS> Well, splitting the Conjectural vehicle page or whatever might just be better for readability.
[7:45 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> cant expect a nonadmin to make bureaucrat now
[7:45 PM] <Imperialles> haha, of course
[7:45 PM] <McEwok> lag.
[7:45 PM] <McEwok> Would the bunfight *please* leave the building?!
[7:45 PM] <LtNOWIS> But I really am cool with having most tiny vehicle articles and most tiny species articles be separate articles.
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[7:45 PM] <McEwok> If anyone here is Elvis, it's me.
[7:45 PM] <JustinGann> i had a question, dont know if anyones answered it yet, on the talk page, if a template could be made for unnamed vhicles
[7:45 PM] <Havac> I don't care about the lists so long as we keep stubs on them
[7:45 PM] <Imperialles> it is added
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[7:46 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> May want to remove that Mofference notice now.
[7:46 PM] * McEwok adjusts spangly white uniform and boogies
[7:46 PM] <SillyDan> did
[7:46 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Can we make a template on vehicles used by the mandalorians?
[7:46 PM] <Kalo_Shin> >.>
[7:46 PM] <Sikon> hmm, RFB
[7:46 PM] <JustinGann> well some people get really ticked off by conjecturally named stub vehicles
[7:46 PM] <jSarek> That's enough, Grand Admiral McEwok.
[7:46 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> looks nice
[7:46 PM] <jSarek> ;-)
[7:46 PM] <JustinGann> Valin Kenobi doesnt like it
[7:46 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Mandalorian_spaceship_classes
[7:46 PM] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +v McEwok by Sikon
[7:46 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> mofference removed here
[7:46 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> There should be a policy, I agree.
[7:46 PM] <Imperialles> Is there any objection to having RFB being self-nom only?
[7:46 PM] <Kalo_Shin> If im not wrong its missing a few.
[7:47 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> not sure
[7:47 PM] <jSarek> Okay, as long as I'm learning my IRC stuff, diff between Normal and Voice?
[7:47 PM] <Kalo_Shin> And if not that, Photos missing.
[7:47 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> most admins are happy as they are
[7:47 PM] <McEwok> lag again.
[7:47 PM] <JustinGann> and people wanted to delete any vehicle that was handmade and wasnt manufactured, ie, primitive vehicles
[7:47 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I dont like that idea at all.
[7:47 PM] <GHe> voice is for +m & other situations
[7:47 PM] <jSarek> That wasn't the dispute.
[7:47 PM] <GHe> when voice is necessary
[7:47 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> merge vehicles that dont have manufacturers numbers
[7:47 PM] <GHe> otherwise, no diff
[7:47 PM] <Kalo_Shin> People come to the page to look for awnsers and knowledge, Not for whats considered "Official" and "In line with up to date standards"
[7:47 PM] <jSarek> People wanted to delete any vehicle that wasn't appreciably different from an Earth vehicle.
[7:47 PM] <McEwok> What's RFB?
[7:47 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It seems that if you're going to put in the work...
[7:47 PM] <Bub> Requests for Bureaucratship
[7:48 PM] <GHe> for bureaucratship
[7:48 PM] <jSarek> Manufacturers was just a way of knowing there was something *new* there.
[7:48 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> requests for bureaucratship
[7:48 PM] <JustinGann> so Wookieepedia shouldnt have an article on humans?
[7:48 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> no
[7:48 PM] <Imperialles> Think of RFB as applying for being a community leader
[7:48 PM] <JustinGann> i dont see why we only would catalogue things that dont exist on Earth
[7:48 PM] <GHe> so.. who's nominating who now :P
[7:48 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> but to be truthful, as an inclusionist, i want to have EVERYTHING here
[7:48 PM] <GHe> or is it mostly self-
[7:48 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> But then should there be an article about sex?
[7:48 PM] <JustinGann> it shows an important primitive side of Tatooine culture, that not everything is made in factories
[7:48 PM] <Havac> I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't see how an encyclopedia should be trying to offer as little coverage as it can get away with.
[7:48 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> I mean humans do have sex in the Star Wars GAlaxy.
[7:49 PM] <Imperialles> A sysop is just someone who's trusted with special tools
[7:49 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> everything physical
[7:49 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> It's a slippery slope
[7:49 PM] <jSarek> Justin: We are appreciably different from SW humans. Different homeworld, different history . . .
[7:49 PM] <JustinGann> we dont know that!
[7:49 PM] <LtNOWIS> My rationale was that there was absolutely nothing distinguishing say, the hand cart, from any other hand cart. But a weird-looking speeder or bulldozer is unique, and thus worthy of inclusion.
[7:49 PM] <Echo47Delta> We are?
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[7:49 PM] <Darth_Culator> Same homeworld.
[7:49 PM] <McEwok> Riffy - why not?
[7:49 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Exactl
[7:49 PM] <Kalo_Shin> y*
[7:49 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> [Redacted by administration]
[7:49 PM] <Jacnoc> Sry I'm late. My little brother was using the computer :(
[7:49 PM] <JustinGann> remember, NEGA and SW Core Rulebook both say Coruscant is CONJECTURED homeworld
[7:49 PM] <GHe> erm.. it's kinda over
[7:49 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, but there's not an article on the act of procreation.
[7:49 PM] <Kalo_Shin> yup
[7:49 PM] <Sikon> wait, Riff
[7:49 PM] <Jacnoc> oh.
[7:49 PM] <Kalo_Shin> True.
[7:50 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> yes NEGAS says possibly coruscant
[7:50 PM] <Sikon> why shouldn't we have an article on Humans?
[7:50 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Nor is there an article for toilets, or other bodily functions.
[7:50 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Theyre a "Canon" race in the star wars universe, so why not.
[7:50 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i mean we do have an article that should stay
[7:50 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Refresher
[7:50 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> im not saying we should get rid of humans
[7:50 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> LtNOWIS: You got me :P
[7:50 PM] <Jacnoc> Humans ARE in SW. It would make sense to have an article on them (eg. What their role in wars, political disputes, etc... was)
[7:50 PM] <JustinGann> well, Tatooine handcarts also have a different homeworld than Earth ones
[7:50 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> everything that exists in the GFFA that can be physically described should be here
[7:51 PM] <JustinGann> we have articles on Ewok catapults and hanggliders
[7:51 PM] <Havac> if it is canon, it deserves an article
[7:51 PM] <LtNOWIS> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Votes_for_deletion/Tatooine_hand_cart
[7:51 PM] <Jaymach> and I'm much later for the meeting than I was meant to be :)
[7:51 PM] <Jaymach> but hey
[7:51 PM] <jSarek> Belated welcome, Jay. ;-)
[7:51 PM] <JustinGann> Earth has catapults and hanggliders
[7:51 PM] <JustinGann> stink hes not dead
[7:51 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> slacker :P
[7:51 PM] <JustinGann> not that i wanted him dead
[7:51 PM] * Jaymach was watching a movie :P
[7:52 PM] <jSarek> Hey Jay, have you scanned the Image Request forum you started a while back?
[7:52 PM] <GHe> "The Prestige"
[7:52 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> was it a SW movie?
[7:52 PM] <JustinGann> Stargate?
[7:52 PM] <Jaymach> it was indeed The Prestige
[7:52 PM] <Jaymach> I haven't checked it in a while, no
[7:52 PM] <Jaymach> I suppose I ought to
[7:52 PM] <JustinGann> what is that
[7:52 PM] <LtNOWIS> Ewok catapults and such have operational histories and such, but the hand cart didn't.
[7:52 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> ah explains why you couldnt leave
[7:52 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Was it good? Plan to go soon.
[7:52 PM] <JustinGann> haha
[7:52 PM] <Jaymach> it was a pretty good film, yes
[7:52 PM] <Jaymach> the twists were nice, if predictable
[7:52 PM] <JustinGann> so basically the Tatooine handcart isnt in bc its not in SW DB
[7:53 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> christian bale is the next harrison ford ;)
[7:53 PM] <LtNOWIS> And while we have articles for catapults, we don't have any for any specific catapults.
[7:53 PM] <jSarek> JG: You know that's not what's up.
[7:53 PM] <Jaymach> ah we're discussing whether or not to keep the unnamed vehicles :)
[7:53 PM] <JustinGann> yes
[7:53 PM] <JustinGann> oh well then can we have a generic wagon article to combine them?
[7:53 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> Article:Wagon with types of wagons detailed
[7:53 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Someone needs to make a Sentry nomination archive.
[7:53 PM] <JustinGann> sounds good to me
[7:54 PM] <LtNOWIS> We could have a generic cart or wagon page.
[7:54 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i forgot how
[7:54 PM] <McEwok> #REDIRECT [[collective_article#specific subject]] is your friend. No?
[7:54 PM] <JustinGann> that sounds fine
[7:54 PM] <LtNOWIS> Like Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cart
[7:54 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Never Mind, I'll do it.
[7:54 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i like nowis' idea.
[7:54 PM] <JustinGann> ok
[7:54 PM] <jSarek> Is that before or after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse ?
[7:54 PM] <JustinGann> well thats ok with me, i just thought they should be included SOMEWHERE
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[7:54 PM] <JustinGann> well they should have a link maybe
[7:54 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> theres alot of S admins now
[7:55 PM] <McEwok> Can I suggest something?
[7:55 PM] <LtNOWIS> ok
[7:55 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Sure.
[7:55 PM] <JustinGann> although most wagons we have not seen pulled by horses so much as blurgs, Cerean draft animals, Rylothean rodents, dwebacks, and pit droids
[7:55 PM] <jSarek> Yes, as canon material, they should be featured somewhere, but probably not as a full article.
[7:55 PM] <JustinGann> ok
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[7:55 PM] <jSarek> Proceed, McEwok.
[7:55 PM] <McEwok> A working party - or Wookiee party? - of 'pedians to organize this whole thing
[7:55 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Jsarek has a point, Why waste a perfectly good article search.
[7:56 PM] <Bub> Gtg, see you later, everybody.
[7:56 PM] <JustinGann> well ok
[7:56 PM] <jSarek> bye bub.
[7:56 PM] <McEwok> I think Justin should be prominent, since he does a lot of this already.
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[7:56 PM] <JustinGann> prominent?
[7:56 PM] <McEwok> But there seems to be a group of people here who're also interested.
[7:56 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Ill help.
[7:56 PM] <McEwok> This would involve templates and collective pages.
[7:56 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Gladly and any day.
[7:56 PM] <McEwok> Working out how to structure them best, and implementing them.
[7:57 PM] <JustinGann> ok so i take it most people dont like catalogues
[7:57 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> i got it now Cull
[7:57 PM] <McEwok> As I said before I kicked myself, for some templates a two-stage hierarchy is perhaps ideal.
[7:57 PM] <jSarek> We still got coders in here? Our first priority should be to find a way to make the pics line up with their descriptions.
[7:57 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Catalouges? so much here im forgetting.
[7:57 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo, we only have one so far
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[7:57 PM] <McEwok> So, [[Template:Mon_Calamari_ships]] becomes a big momma fish template leading to a shoal of templates for cruisers, small ships, etc.
[7:57 PM] <Kalo_Shin> That might explain it.
[7:57 PM] <Havac> yeah, I messed around trying to get the vehicle gallery to line up last night, no such luck
[7:57 PM] <LtNOWIS> I still think thinkgs like Ugnaught bulldozer deserved their own articles: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ugnaught_bulldozer&oldid=252318
[7:58 PM] <Sikon> can someone upload the log of the official part?
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[7:58 PM] <JustinGann> i got a link for Kalo
[7:58 PM] <JustinGann> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Catalogue_of_unnamed_vehicles
[7:58 PM] <McEwok> Sorry - lagging. Stuff coming in lumps.
[7:58 PM] <JustinGann> thats mostly what we are talking about
[7:58 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i like this idea personally.
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[7:58 PM] <GHe> Sikon: I have the log
[7:58 PM] <McEwok> Or with the list pages, we take the unnamed ships page and divide it up.
[7:58 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Cause if you see it and dont know its name, how else are you gunna find it.
[7:58 PM] <Sikon> GHe> good
[7:58 PM] <Kalo_Shin> More than un named ships would be nice.
[7:58 PM] <GHe> so which is the "official part"?
[7:58 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Than just*
[7:59 PM] <Cull_Tremayne> Riff, you're fast
[7:59 PM] <JustinGann> theres a lot more than ships
[7:59 PM] <GHe> starting from 23:00 UTC until...?
[7:59 PM] <Sikon> or you can email it to me, if you don't mind
[7:59 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo did you follow the link?
[7:59 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I do have it open infact.
[7:59 PM] <JustinGann> we have everything from kayaks to supertransports
[7:59 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I checked it yesterday to find something.
[7:59 PM] <GHe> can I stop logging now?
[7:59 PM] <McEwok> Anyone still itsiening to me?
[7:59 PM] <Kalo_Shin> Keep talking
[7:59 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I am./
[7:59 PM] <JustinGann> McEwok, doest your topic tie into mine?
[7:59 PM] <jSarek> McEwok: Yes.
[8:00 PM] <McEwok> We can divide the unnamed vehicles page Justin just linked to... in multiple ways.
[8:00 PM] <McEwok> So we can have a grouping for cruisers, fighters, surface vehicles, etc.
[8:00 PM] <Riffsyphon1024> copy and paste always help, CUll
[8:00 PM] <Sikon> well, GHe
[8:00 PM] <jSarek> At the very least, starships should be split from vehicles.
[8:00 PM] <McEwok> And one for Old Republic, Imperial, Sith, New Republic.
[8:00 PM] <McEwok> Does that make sense?
[8:00 PM] <Kalo_Shin> What if theres history on it? would it be considered wasting space or just not putting it there.
[8:00 PM] <JustinGann> whoa McEwok
[8:00 PM] <JustinGann> thats going to far
[8:00 PM] <GHe> Sikon: should I stop logging?
[8:00 PM] <Kalo_Shin> i agree jsarek.
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[8:00 PM] <Sikon> I think you can continue logging, but upload the part before the official closure
[8:00 PM] <JustinGann> many ships are used in multiple eras
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[8:00 PM] <Cato_Neimoidia> im back
[8:01 PM] <JustinGann> Kalo, I tried to include history as much as possible
[8:01 PM] <Havac> THen they go in both, Justin
[8:01 PM] <jSarek> WB Kato.
[8:01 PM] <Kalo_Shin> alright.
[8:01 PM] <SillyDan> and creatures, if we do the same thing, could be divided by planet?
[8:01 PM] <Kalo_Shin> One problem
[8:01 PM] <GHe> well, I don't really need the logs or anything, so if there's no more need, I'll stop
[8:01 PM] <JustinGann> Silly Dan: I like that idea
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[8:01 PM] <McEwok> True, but the point is that the overlaps wouldn't be *exclusive*
[8:01 PM] <LtNOWIS> McEwok: sounds good
[8:01 PM] <McEwok> They'd be a way to present info.
[8:01 PM] <jSarek> GHe: Go ahead, the formal Mofference is over.
[8:01 PM] <McEwok> And... of course, this is all just theory.
[8:01 PM] <JustinGann> i dont know if the era part is needed
[8:01 PM] <Kalo_Shin> I know you have but i dont see alot of "Behind the scenes" what about the authors notes? on a thing such as...say...The binary load lifter (though not having anything to do with it) wheres something like that.
[8:01 PM] <GHe> 'k
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