NOTE: Absentee notes were as follows Imperators: "Kill all the old stuff, probe all the new stuff. Give Tommy my vote for anything else." [2021-04-24 19:24:38] <ecks> Welcome to Meeting 139 [2021-04-24 19:24:44] <ecks> Starting with the old stuff [2021-04-24 19:24:47] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/S-100_Stinger-class_starfighter [2021-04-24 19:24:50] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/S-100_Stinger-class_starfighter_(second_review) [2021-04-24 19:24:52] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:25:00] <MasterFred> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:07] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> *meeting 125 :P [2021-04-24 19:25:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:14] <ecks> err yeah [2021-04-24 19:25:22] <ecks> S-100 killed [2021-04-24 19:25:23] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dine%C3%A9_Ellberger/Legends [2021-04-24 19:25:27] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Dine%C3%A9_Ellberger/Legends [2021-04-24 19:25:29] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:25:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:41] <MasterFred> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:46] <ecks> Dineé killed [2021-04-24 19:25:48] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Endurance_(Endurance-class) [2021-04-24 19:25:51] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Endurance_(Endurance-class) [2021-04-24 19:25:53] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:25:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:25:57] <MasterFred> kill [2021-04-24 19:26:00] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:26:04] <ecks> Endurance killed [2021-04-24 19:26:05] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Celot_Ratua_Dil [2021-04-24 19:26:08] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Celot_Ratua_Dil [2021-04-24 19:26:15] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Celot_Ratua_Dil?type=revision&diff=10235393&oldid=10208717 [2021-04-24 19:26:17] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:26:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:26:19] <MasterFred> kill [2021-04-24 19:26:23] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:26:26] <ecks> Celot killed [2021-04-24 19:26:28] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Keir_Santage/Legends [2021-04-24 19:26:33] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Keir_Santage/Legends [2021-04-24 19:26:39] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Keir_Santage/Legends?type=revision&diff=10208966&oldid=10208720 [2021-04-24 19:26:59] <ecks> well [2021-04-24 19:27:04] <ecks> the 4 ABY thing hasn't been fixed [2021-04-24 19:27:21] <MasterFred> then kill [2021-04-24 19:27:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> I'm fine to keep honestly [2021-04-24 19:27:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's an easy fix [2021-04-24 19:27:42] <ecks> do you volunteer? :P [2021-04-24 19:28:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> Sure [2021-04-24 19:28:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> Keep [2021-04-24 19:28:03] <ecks> keep, then [2021-04-24 19:28:10] <MasterFred> Yeah, if you're gonna fix it I'm totally fine keeping [2021-04-24 19:28:14] <ecks> Keir kept [2021-04-24 19:28:15] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi [2021-04-24 19:28:19] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Gray_Jedi [2021-04-24 19:28:26] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi?type=revision&diff=10216692&oldid=10208723 [2021-04-24 19:29:00] <ecks> the date referencing is still sketchy [2021-04-24 19:29:12] <ecks> and Appearances is unchanged [2021-04-24 19:29:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:29:21] <MasterFred> Kill [2021-04-24 19:29:35] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:29:38] <ecks> Gray Jedi killed [2021-04-24 19:29:44] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Garth_Ezzar [2021-04-24 19:29:51] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Garth_Ezzar [2021-04-24 19:29:54] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Garth_Ezzar?type=revision&diff=10281104&oldid=10208726 [2021-04-24 19:30:00] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:30:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:30:03] <MasterFred> Kill [2021-04-24 19:30:10] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:30:14] <ecks> Garth killed [2021-04-24 19:30:19] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Inexpugnable-class_tactical_command_ship [2021-04-24 19:30:24] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inexpugnable-class_tactical_command_ship [2021-04-24 19:30:27] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:30:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:30:41] <MasterFred> Kill [2021-04-24 19:30:44] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:30:47] <ecks> Inexpugnable killed [2021-04-24 19:30:54] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Evir_Derricote [2021-04-24 19:30:59] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Evir_Derricote_(second_review) [2021-04-24 19:31:02] <ecks> no changes [2021-04-24 19:31:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [2021-04-24 19:31:13] <MasterFred> Kill [2021-04-24 19:31:19] <ecks> kill [2021-04-24 19:31:21] <ecks> Evir killed [2021-04-24 19:31:25] <ecks> That's all the old ones [2021-04-24 19:31:29] <ecks> Moving onto the new stuff [2021-04-24 19:31:35] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zekka_Thyne [2021-04-24 19:31:44] <ecks> please refer to the meeting page for a list of issues https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_125 [2021-04-24 19:32:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [2021-04-24 19:32:21] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:32:21] <ecks> Probe* :P [2021-04-24 19:32:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> er, probe [2021-04-24 19:32:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> sorry [2021-04-24 19:32:47] <ecks> Zekka probed [2021-04-24 19:32:48] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Blitzer_Harrsk [2021-04-24 19:32:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:33:03] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:33:04] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:33:07] <ecks> Blitzer probed [2021-04-24 19:33:12] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CC-01/425 [2021-04-24 19:33:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:33:21] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:33:24] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:33:27] <ecks> CC-01/425 probed [2021-04-24 19:33:39] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Serp [2021-04-24 19:33:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:33:45] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:34:01] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:34:02] <ecks> Serp probed [2021-04-24 19:34:07] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Heist_in_Capital_City [2021-04-24 19:34:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:34:32] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:34:46] <ecks> I heartily object to listing "First paragraph in body can use a break" as an objection [2021-04-24 19:34:52] <ecks> that's a sofixit in this case [2021-04-24 19:34:59] <ecks> the rest, sure [2021-04-24 19:35:00] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:35:08] <ecks> Heist probed [2021-04-24 19:35:13] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Knight_Hammer [2021-04-24 19:35:26] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:35:30] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:35:45] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:35:48] <ecks> Knight Hammer probed [2021-04-24 19:35:53] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Helska_IV [2021-04-24 19:35:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [2021-04-24 19:36:02] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:36:05] <ecks> probe [2021-04-24 19:36:10] <ecks> Battle of Helska IV probed [2021-04-24 19:36:20] <ecks> let's check the maintenance bin [2021-04-24 19:36:38] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Treuten_Teradoc?t=20210419061028 [2021-04-24 19:36:41] <ecks> has an update tag [2021-04-24 19:37:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Has other issues too [2021-04-24 19:37:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> Massive unbroken paragraphs [2021-04-24 19:37:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unsourced info [2021-04-24 19:37:42] <MasterFred> Ew [2021-04-24 19:37:44] <MasterFred> Yeah, probe [2021-04-24 19:37:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [2021-04-24 19:37:56] <ecks> Probe [2021-04-24 19:37:59] <ecks> Treuten probed [2021-04-24 19:38:04] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_shadow_trooper/Legends?t=20210409170618 [2021-04-24 19:38:07] <ecks> Update tag [2021-04-24 19:38:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> Redlink [2021-04-24 19:38:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unsourced info [2021-04-24 19:38:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unsourced date ref [2021-04-24 19:38:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [2021-04-24 19:38:48] <ecks> Probe [2021-04-24 19:38:58] <MasterFred> Images can also be enlarged [2021-04-24 19:38:59] <MasterFred> Probe [2021-04-24 19:39:12] <ecks> Clone shadow trooper probed [2021-04-24 19:39:13] <ecks> that's all [2021-04-24 19:39:18] <ecks> someone have something else? [2021-04-24 19:39:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> Nothing from me [2021-04-24 19:39:35] <MasterFred> Nothing from me either. [2021-04-24 19:39:44] <ecks> great [2021-04-24 19:39:46] <ecks> discussion time [2021-04-24 19:39:52] <ecks> Tommy, you have the floor [2021-04-24 19:39:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> I'm skipping the meeting time thing as, ironically, we're missing folks [2021-04-24 19:40:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, the Google group [2021-04-24 19:40:58] <Tommy-Macaroni> It's a weird thing, and I think we should retire it. First and foremost, Tope is the sole owner so we wouldn't be able to add new members or anything. Discord has also taken over as our means of group notifications, with @inq [2021-04-24 19:41:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> So I say retire it completely [2021-04-24 19:41:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's it [2021-04-24 19:41:25] <ecks> sure [2021-04-24 19:42:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> Fred? [2021-04-24 19:42:45] <MasterFred> Yes [2021-04-24 19:42:47] <MasterFred> Restire it [2021-04-24 19:42:53] <MasterFred> I've always hated the Google groups :P [2021-04-24 19:42:57] <MasterFred> Burn them with fire [2021-04-24 19:42:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> They suck :P [2021-04-24 19:43:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> Vote to retire Good group: [2021-04-24 19:43:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [2021-04-24 19:43:09] <ecks> support [2021-04-24 19:43:16] <MasterFred> Support [2021-04-24 19:43:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> Motion to retire Good group passes [2021-04-24 19:43:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Lovely [2021-04-24 19:43:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks guys, that's all from me [2021-04-24 19:43:59] <ecks> great [2021-04-24 19:44:03] → Supreme_Emperor joined (~androirc@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) [2021-04-24 19:44:04] * ChanServ set +o Supreme_Emperor [2021-04-24 19:44:05] <ecks> anyone got anything else? [2021-04-24 19:44:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Sorry guys [2021-04-24 19:44:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Where we at? [2021-04-24 19:44:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> Hi SE [2021-04-24 19:44:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> Seconds away from finishing :P [2021-04-24 19:44:41] <Supreme_Emperor> Well heck [2021-04-24 19:44:53] <Supreme_Emperor> In that case I do have a proposal lol [2021-04-24 19:45:07] <Supreme_Emperor> Have you done your proposal Tommy? [2021-04-24 19:45:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, I'm all done thanks [2021-04-24 19:45:21] <Supreme_Emperor> Alright [2021-04-24 19:45:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> Floor is yours [2021-04-24 19:45:41] <Supreme_Emperor> One moment, just pulling it up, didn't anticipate doing this on mobile [2021-04-24 19:46:13] <Supreme_Emperor> Alright [2021-04-24 19:47:24] <Supreme_Emperor> So over the past few weeks I've been looking at where the FAN can be better. The way it is currently paid out is imo pretty intimidating, a sentiment shared by all the users I queried about what they found most difficult about the process [2021-04-24 19:47:43] <Supreme_Emperor> Please forgive typos, mobile autocorrect [2021-04-24 19:48:28] <Supreme_Emperor> The way we currently do it pushes more towards killing nominations, rather than helping them to succeed [2021-04-24 19:48:51] <Supreme_Emperor> I've been doing a rewrite of sorts, and this is where I'm at currently. [2021-04-24 19:48:54] <Supreme_Emperor> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Supreme_Emperor/project1 [2021-04-24 19:49:38] <Supreme_Emperor> I'd like to see the process more about helping people get their nominations through, because our goal is passing them, not killing them [2021-04-24 19:49:42] <Supreme_Emperor> Thoughts? [2021-04-24 19:50:15] <ecks> I think it's a good start but I'd have to look over it one more time to make it formal, at least [2021-04-24 19:50:24] <ecks> and we should probably have some sort of common page for all status article systems tbh [2021-04-24 19:50:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> Per ecks [2021-04-24 19:50:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> Perhaps one organisation with tiers, or something? [2021-04-24 19:51:00] <Supreme_Emperor> Of course, I want input from everyone before we decide where to go [2021-04-24 19:51:01] <ecks> honestly [2021-04-24 19:51:13] <MasterFred> We've spoken in DM before and I'm 100$ ready to make the FAN system more newcomer friendly and also less inclined to remove articles instead of fixing. [2021-04-24 19:51:15] <ecks> GAs and FAs in particular are basically the same, just different in terms of length [2021-04-24 19:52:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> This looks good SE, but I'm a little confused as to why some things have been removed [2021-04-24 19:52:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> Like, do you want to remove the 4-nom limit? [2021-04-24 19:52:25] <Tommy-Macaroni> Coz I think that would be a very bad idea, honestly [2021-04-24 19:52:45] <Supreme_Emperor> That is going back in, evidently I've forgotten to re add that [2021-04-24 19:53:14] <MasterFred> Ok, I need to head out [2021-04-24 19:53:27] <Supreme_Emperor> Peace out Fred [2021-04-24 19:53:30] <Tommy-Macaroni> Same with the rules, I get they're overwhelming but they also work to ensure we're not repeating ourselves on every new nom page [2021-04-24 19:53:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> See ya Fred [2021-04-24 19:53:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> But yeah, once you've re-added what you want to, I'd love to have a full look over this [2021-04-24 19:54:02] <MasterFred> I'm happy to continue this conversation in more detail. [2021-04-24 19:54:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Definitely a direction I think we should be heading in [2021-04-24 19:54:22] <MasterFred> As part of our larger initiative to make the wiki more newcomer friendly [2021-04-24 19:54:32] <ecks> at this pace we're not gonna have any featured articles in a few years, so I agree [2021-04-24 19:54:55] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll re add that tonight and share the link on the discord channel [2021-04-24 19:55:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> Lolz [2021-04-24 19:55:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Super, thanks [2021-04-24 19:55:36] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, the unanimous feeling from everyone I spoke to was the process was too focused on killing and punishing oversights, like killing something for a simple fix [2021-04-24 19:56:03] <Supreme_Emperor> That would take two seconds for us as a group to fix [2021-04-24 19:57:11] <ecks> agreed [2021-04-24 19:57:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah totally [2021-04-24 19:57:45] <Supreme_Emperor> Side note, I'm looking at creating a WP aimed at restoring former status articles [2021-04-24 19:58:07] <Supreme_Emperor> But that is unrelated, so that's all I've got lol [2021-04-24 19:58:07] <ecks> the FAN is gonna be absolutely devastated :P [2021-04-24 19:58:16] <ecks> thanks for the meeting, everyone [2021-04-24 19:58:24] <ecks> Imperators is on paperwork [2021-04-24 19:58:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> Noice, thanks for hosting ecks