[20:54:36] <AnilSerifoglu> Welcome to Inqmoot 116 [20:55:06] <AnilSerifoglu> Anyone that'd like to speak before we begin with the probed articles? [20:55:19] <Supreme_Emperor> Are we invited to Tope's bbq? [20:55:27] <Toprawa> Yes, but it's BYOB [20:55:33] <Supreme_Emperor> This is fair [20:55:45] <Supreme_Emperor> Proceed :P [20:55:48] <ecks> this is why i always keep a 24-pack of beer under my bed [20:55:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Here comes the old stuff: [20:55:59] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Toby_Philpott [20:56:02] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107244 [20:56:06] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Toby_Philpott [20:56:08] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [20:56:10] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [20:56:11] <Toprawa> Kill [20:56:12] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [20:56:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [20:56:26] <ecks> kill [20:56:27] <AnilSerifoglu> Toby Philpott killed [20:56:35] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Barton_Coburn [20:56:40] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107245 [20:56:44] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Barton_Coburn [20:56:47] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [20:56:48] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [20:56:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [20:56:51] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [20:57:10] <Toprawa> Kill [20:57:13] <ecks> kill [20:57:14] <AnilSerifoglu> Barton Coburn [20:57:14] <AnilSerifoglu> killed [20:57:22] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/George_Roubicek [20:57:26] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107246 [20:57:30] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/George_Roubicek [20:57:32] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [20:57:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [20:57:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [20:57:34] <Toprawa> Kill [20:57:34] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [20:57:51] <ecks> kill [20:57:52] <AnilSerifoglu> George Roubicek killed [20:58:02] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Horton_Salm/Legends [20:58:06] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107247 [20:58:16] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Horton_Salm/Legends [20:58:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Just a minor EcksBot fix [20:58:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [20:58:26] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [20:58:26] <ecks> kill [20:58:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [20:58:29] <Toprawa> Kill [20:58:29] <ecks> haha i wasn't last [20:58:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Horton Salm/Legends killed [20:58:49] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Voren_Na%27al/Legends [20:58:54] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107249 [20:59:00] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Voren_Na%27al/Legends [20:59:26] <AnilSerifoglu> jSarek seems to have addressed previous issues, with new ones added by IMperators [20:59:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> Stuff got done, but Imperators dropped a tonne more objections earlier today [20:59:32] <AnilSerifoglu> Extend [20:59:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Extend [20:59:40] <ecks> extend [20:59:46] <Supreme_Emperor> eckstend [20:59:53] <Toprawa> Extend [20:59:59] <AnilSerifoglu> Voren Na'al/Legends extended. He'll live to fight another day. [21:00:08] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Separatist_supply_ship [21:00:14] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107250 [21:00:19] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Separatist_supply_ship [21:00:26] <AnilSerifoglu> Just a TommyBot fix [21:00:27] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [21:00:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [21:00:30] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [21:00:31] <ecks> kill [21:00:34] <Toprawa> Kill [21:00:38] <AnilSerifoglu> Separatist supply ship killed [21:00:44] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hoggon [21:00:48] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107251 [21:00:52] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hoggon [21:00:55] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [21:00:56] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [21:01:00] <Toprawa> Kill [21:01:02] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [21:01:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:01:23] <ecks> kill [21:01:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Hoggon killed [21:01:32] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Venan_civil_war [21:01:36] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107252 [21:01:40] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Venan_civil_war [21:01:43] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [21:01:44] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [21:01:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [21:01:46] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [21:01:50] <Toprawa> Kill [21:01:58] <ecks> kill [21:01:59] <AnilSerifoglu> Venan civil war killed [21:02:08] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gobee [21:02:12] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107253 [21:02:18] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Gobee [21:02:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Just an EcksBot fşx [21:02:26] <AnilSerifoglu> fix* [21:02:27] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [21:02:29] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [21:02:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:02:39] <Toprawa> Kill [21:03:00] <ecks> kill [21:03:01] <AnilSerifoglu> Gobee killed [21:03:04] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Cognus [21:03:08] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=9107254 [21:03:13] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Cognus [21:03:17] <AnilSerifoglu> No actual changes [21:03:19] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [21:03:22] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [21:03:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> killlll [21:03:24] <Toprawa> Kill [21:03:55] <ecks> kill [21:03:56] <AnilSerifoglu> Darth Cognus killed [21:04:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Moving on to new stuff: [21:04:11] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Llerd [21:04:17] <AnilSerifoglu> The article has some large Monobook-era paragraphs that would benefit from breaks in Wikia skin. The intro looks like it could use one, as does the second, and maybe even the first, paragraph of "Mission to Phaegon III." [21:04:17] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS is unsourced and needs to be updated [21:04:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Referencing needs to eliminate use of chapters. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:22, June 12, 2020 (UTC) [21:04:17] <AnilSerifoglu> The Crosscurrent audiobook presumably needs to be added to the Appearances list and should be checked for any kind of update that may be therein, such as vocal/speech traits, etc., or anything else. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:27, June 12, 2020 (UTC) [21:04:19] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:04:22] <Toprawa> Probe [21:04:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:04:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:04:28] <ecks> probe [21:04:30] <AnilSerifoglu> Llerd probed [21:04:37] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krudar [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> Update needed. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> An in-universe date for the article's events should be mentioned, or at least pipelinked, in the article. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> The BTS should be fully referenced. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> The BTS should provide a publication date. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> The BTS should mention the book which featured Krudar's first proper appearance. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> Image category should be added. [21:04:43] <AnilSerifoglu> Second subsection of Bio, and perhaps even the entire P&T, should be further subsectioned. Imperators II(Talk) 09:19, June 21, 2020 (UTC) [21:04:45] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:04:51] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:04:52] <Toprawa> Probe [21:04:53] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:04:58] <ecks> probe [21:05:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Krudar probed [21:05:11] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Green_Wing [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> 4 ABY date is not referenced correctly in infobox or article body [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> There is a lot of tangentially related fluff in this article that can be significantly reduced or otherwise removed entirely. We know very little about what Green Wing did in this battle other than the small bits that we're given in the ROTJ novelization, but this article is attempting to give a sweeping summary of the events leading up to the battle. The second and third Bio paragraphs, for example, have [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> nothing to do with Green Wing, nor can any of that actually be verified with relation to this character. Case in point, those two paragraphs are entirely sourced to the ROTJ film, which Green Wing does not appear in, so statements like "Green Wing and the Alliance Fleet emerged from hyperspace" to try and tie in Green Wing can't actually be supported by source material. I'm not sure if this article [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Depending on how much content is actually removed pursuant to the previous objection, the Bio definitely needs some subsectioning. [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS is unsourced and needs full publication data for first-appearance purposes. Nothing other than the first sentence in the first BTS paragraph is actually worth keeping. The rest is just Sources list regurgitation. [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Fix stray italics in ref 2 [21:05:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 3 needs CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 13:44, June 28, 2020 (UTC) [21:05:19] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:05:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:05:36] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:05:40] <Toprawa> Probe [21:05:50] <ecks> probe [21:05:51] <AnilSerifoglu> Green Wing probed [21:05:57] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zelka_Forn [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> This Monobook-era article has quite a few large paragraphs that could be broken up. The intro and the last three Bio paragraphs could all use breaks. [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> Are there really no other images of this character to show in the article body? [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> General underlinking throughout [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> Appears it could use an Equipment section [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> The date ref needs to be updated/revised, as it can't explicitly be sourced directly to the Campaign Guide [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> The BTS can remove the sentence about being mentioned in CSWE [21:06:03] <AnilSerifoglu> Acting credit can't be sourced to IMDb. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:31, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:06:05] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:06:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:06:12] <Toprawa> Probe [21:06:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:06:23] <ecks> probe [21:06:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Zelka Forn probed [21:06:30] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Reave [21:06:35] <AnilSerifoglu> The article is 1,015 words, by my count. And I'm going to say that the last two sentences of the BTS are unnecessary and should be removed, which would bring the article to 968 words. That being said, it would certainly appear that this article could use an Equipment section, which would very possibly bring the article back above 1000 words. In the event someone tries to fix these things, this article has [21:06:35] <AnilSerifoglu> additional issues that would be raised. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:31, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:06:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:06:40] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:06:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:06:41] <Toprawa> Probe [21:06:54] <ecks> probe [21:06:55] <AnilSerifoglu> Darth Reave probed [21:07:02] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tetsubal [21:07:07] <AnilSerifoglu> The intro is enormous compared to the rest of the article body and just doesn't need to be that big. I'd estimate it could be reduced by a third a more. The article currently stands at 1,066 words, and I just don't see it maintaining the 1000-word limit after the intro is revised. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:52, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:07:09] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:07:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:07:16] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:07:20] <ecks> probe [21:07:20] <Toprawa> by a third or more*, for the record [21:07:22] <Toprawa> Probe [21:07:25] <AnilSerifoglu> Tetsubal probed [21:07:32] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Telosian_Jedi_Academy [21:07:38] <AnilSerifoglu> Article should follow site precedent and use "Description" as section title opposed to "Layout" [21:07:38] <AnilSerifoglu> None of the BBY dates are referenced correctly. They can't be sourced to the video games, for one. And neither of the double refs being used to cite "At some point between 3643 and 3641 BBY" statement mention those years at all. Whatever math is being used to arrive at these dates needs to be clearly explained. [21:07:38] <AnilSerifoglu> Article could afford to hold more images in better formatted placements, such as not running into section quotes [21:07:38] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS needs to include full publication data [21:07:38] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 3 is poor and needs to be cleaned up/modernized. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:52, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:07:40] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:07:45] <Toprawa> Probe [21:07:46] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:07:51] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:07:52] <ecks> probe [21:07:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Telosian Jedi Academy probed [21:08:01] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Secret_mission_to_Geonosis [21:08:08] <AnilSerifoglu> Requires an update. [21:08:08] <AnilSerifoglu> "Duel in Ben Kenobi's home" reference in infobox needs a rework to conform to the Manual of Style. [21:08:08] <AnilSerifoglu> "The mission" section could use some subsections. [21:08:08] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS needs a rework; sourcing issues, unnecessary information. [21:08:10] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:08:12] <Toprawa> Probe [21:08:15] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:08:16] <ecks> probe [21:08:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:08:21] <AnilSerifoglu> Secret mission to Geonosis probed [21:08:28] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CT-6734 [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Missing "Equipment" and "Skills and abilities" sections. [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Unsourced BTS. [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Release date required for Reversal of Fortune. [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Homeworld and physical traits require a separate note. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan (talk) 16:21, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Could introduce some BBY dates [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Two-speaker quotes get Quote template, not Dialogue [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox-exclusive information [21:08:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox Affiliation field should not run three bullets deep. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:34, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:08:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:08:44] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:08:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:08:50] <Toprawa> Probe [21:08:53] <ecks> probe [21:08:54] <AnilSerifoglu> CT-6734 [21:08:54] <AnilSerifoglu> probed [21:08:59] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wynssa_Fel [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox image is not sourced properly [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox-exclusive information [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> General underlinking throughout [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Very few, possibly none, of the ABY dates appear to be referenced correctly [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Correct end punctuation in image captions [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Format image placement so they're not running into section headers [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Fix redirect link [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Publication data needed in BTS [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS wording needs to be updated [21:09:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 11 needs to implement CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:34, July 1, 2020 (UTC) [21:09:08] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [21:09:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:09:15] <Toprawa> Probe [21:09:18] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:09:40] <ecks> probe [21:09:54] <AnilSerifoglu> Wynssa Fel probed [21:10:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Nothing new in the bin except the Featured articles missing backup links, but we have already probed 10 articles [21:10:25] <AnilSerifoglu> Moving on the discussion items [21:10:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Sir Tommy, you have the floor [21:10:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, thanks Anil [21:10:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> I apologise in advance, I may have got a bit ott with discussion point, but I'l try to make these quite [21:10:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> *quick [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Easiest one first. New FAN. Already passed at AC and EC level. [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Hopefully you’ve all had a chance to look over https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tommy-Macaroni/Review_workbench Basically, this is making sure the stuff on the nomination pages is relevant, up to date, and uniform between the three pages. [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> For the log, I’ll list some of the notable changes to the FAN in isolation: [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> *General formatting changes for optimum efficiency and consistency. To name a few, the FAN now has "READ THIS FIRST!" before the instructions like the other two pages, the boarder colour is now consistent, additional placement of ---- to separate sections, and wording has been made the same between the three pages. [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> *The FAN how has four opening paragraphs. The first details the nature of that specific type of article in comparison to the other two. Then, brief information is given about the extensive review process, warnings about what article nominating is not, and some words on nominator responsibility and self-sufficiency. [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> *Removed links to [[Wookieepedia:What is a featured article?]]. That page is outdated and does not provide that much additional insight beyond the FAN itself. The page can still be accessed from the tutorials section of the header. [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> *Rule on introductions has been relocated/merged with lower rules, to be consistent with the placement of the CAN's more specific requirements on intros. [21:11:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> *Rules requiring character-specific sections have been removed. A prior rule already necessitates following the LG, so stating a character article needs a P&A section seems both redundant and irrelevant considering the amount of non-character nominations. [21:11:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> *How to nominate and How to review sections have been rewritten for better flow and clarity. [21:11:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> *Outdated wording has been removed. This includes references to "front page queue" and remembering to include a signature in the nomination page (which is now automatic via the preload). [21:11:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> *The FAN now includes mention of the four-article limit. [21:11:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> *Information detailing the number of votes required for an article to pass has been rewritten for all three pages for improved clarity and simplicity. [21:11:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> *The category has been moved up, allowing for the nomination transclusions to be at the bottom of the page, removing the need for the unsightly <!-- PLEASE PLACE NEW NOMINATIONS ABOVE THIS LINE.--> [21:11:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> I’m hoping you’ve all had a chance to look over this prior to the meeting so we don’t have to spend too long looking over these changes [21:11:53] <ecks> I only get paid for meetings, not for pre-reading :P [21:12:07] <Toprawa> ^ [21:12:09] <AnilSerifoglu> I did, I see no issues in it [21:12:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> I mean, it's basically the same as the GAN and CAN ones [21:12:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Which is kinda the point :P [21:12:33] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm all for updating and modernizing [21:12:33] <Toprawa> Dumb question, what page is this for exactly? [21:12:36] <Toprawa> I'm kind of confused [21:12:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> [[WP:FAN]] [21:12:53] <Toprawa> Right, thanks [21:13:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry, should've specified that [21:13:18] <Toprawa> Is this basically what we did for GAN? [21:13:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, exactly [21:13:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> I've made the changed from your copy-edit onto this one too [21:13:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> *changes [21:13:45] <Toprawa> Cool [21:13:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, vote for update to WP:FAN: [21:13:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [21:14:01] <Toprawa> Support [21:14:01] <ecks> support [21:14:02] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [21:14:08] <Supreme_Emperor> At first glance it does flow much better [21:14:10] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [21:14:22] <Toprawa> "At second glance, I've consumed too much" :P [21:14:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> Heh [21:14:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy's proposal for [[WP:FAN]] passes 5-0 [21:14:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, next up [21:14:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> Featured article tutorials [21:14:41] <AnilSerifoglu> Please continue, Thomas [21:14:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks [21:14:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, this one is in two parts [21:15:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> First - So, despite the tutorials page being places at the end of the header of the status pages, it’s currently called [[Wookieepedia:Featured article tutorials]]. Several people, including myself, Fred, and Ayre, have plans to give this page new life by adding some more content to it, which would pertain to all three review types, not just FAs. [21:15:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> As such, I’d like to propose we move this page to [[Wookieepedia:Status article tutorials]] (which would also match the category it currently sits in). [21:15:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> This means new content can be added to it outside of FAN tutorials ([[Wookieepedia:AC/Official Rookie's Guide to Mastering GAs]] could be one added immediately, for instance.) [21:15:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> TL:DR - move [[Wookieepedia:Featured article tutorials]] to [[Wookieepedia:Status article tutorials]] [21:15:30] <Toprawa> I'm ok if you guys want to write new ones [21:15:35] <Toprawa> But I want to delete the old ones [21:15:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's up next :P [21:15:43] <Toprawa> I don't stand by anything someone wrote like 10 years ago [21:16:04] <Toprawa> Well, what is your plan once you do move it? [21:16:07] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah I definitely support this [21:16:14] <AnilSerifoglu> ^ [21:16:15] <Supreme_Emperor> Those are pretty dated :P [21:16:37] <Supreme_Emperor> Also the old tutorials directly reference articles that have had their status removed [21:17:05] <Toprawa> Maybe just group the second part with this vote too [21:17:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay cool [21:17:18] <Toprawa> Just so we know what the end result is [21:17:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Part two: me and Tope think it best to delete the following: [[Ataru's Address on Organization FAs]], [[Four Dot's Character Article Tutorial]], and [[University of Eyrezer Guide to Intelligent Species FANs]]. [21:17:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> I believe these were created as part of an initiative for all Inq members to create a tutorial. These three were the only ones that were finished, which should give you enough insight into the nature of these pages. Looking through these, they are outdated, far too wordy, corny, and unprofessional. As such, I don’t think they serve any help at all for potential FA writers, as the vast majority [21:17:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> of this stuff is ripped directly from official policy and is just as wordy, if not more. [21:17:28] <Toprawa> Yes, I do :P [21:17:43] <ecks> move them to a subpage of the creator's userpage [21:17:55] <ecks> (and then redirect them if they're inactive) [21:18:01] <Supreme_Emperor> Old era stuff mostly [21:18:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> Sure [21:18:07] <Supreme_Emperor> We've evolved since [21:18:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Do we want to keep [[Wookieepedia:The Official Guide to Article Reviewing]] and [[Wookieepedia:What is a featured article?]]? [21:18:27] <Toprawa> Link to the first, please? [21:18:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> I think there's slightly more merit and professionally to those? [21:18:30] <ecks> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:The_Official_Guide_to_Article_Reviewing [21:18:34] <Toprawa> Thank you [21:18:36] <ecks> this one looks pretty solid imo [21:18:37] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks ecks [21:18:41] <AnilSerifoglu> I agree [21:19:00] <Toprawa> I don't have any general issues with its existence, but I'm sure it could be cleaned up [21:19:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, I think we should just delete the three users' ones [21:19:07] <AnilSerifoglu> Sure [21:19:08] <Toprawa> Either way, I think that's outside our purview [21:19:11] <ecks> I've been toying with the idea of creating some sort of [[Wookieepedia:Peer review]] or [[Wookieepedia:Status articles]] as some sort of noob portal for everything status article related [21:19:14] <Toprawa> We're only responsible for Inq mainspace stuff [21:19:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Cleanup aside, I think the first has merit [21:19:37] <Supreme_Emperor> Likewise with the second [21:19:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, which is partly why I want to move the page in the first place [21:19:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> So: [21:20:17] <Toprawa> I feel like What is a featured article is basically covered by the FAN page instructions [21:20:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> I propose we move [[Wookieepedia:Featured article tutorials]] to [[Wookieepedia:Status article tutorials]] and delete the following: [[Ataru's Address on Organization FAs]], [[Four Dot's Character Article Tutorial]], and [[University of Eyrezer Guide to Intelligent Species FANs]]. [21:20:21] <Toprawa> Do we really need this long essay page? [21:20:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> I don't think it has any new info tbh [21:20:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> And it is outdated, from a glance [21:21:03] <Toprawa> I'd be in favor of deleting "What is a featured article" [21:21:26] <Tommy-Macaroni> Same tbh, although I would probably want to keep [[Wookieepedia:The Official Guide to Article Reviewing]] [21:21:31] <Supreme_Emperor> Anything of value in it could be reworked into the tutorial page tbh [21:21:36] <Toprawa> I agree, Tommy [21:21:44] <Supreme_Emperor> ^ [21:21:44] <AnilSerifoglu> I concur [21:21:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [21:22:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> So, vote for moving [[Wookieepedia:Featured article tutorials]] to [[Wookieepedia:Status article tutorials]] and delete the following: [[Ataru's Address on Organization FAs]], [[Four Dot's Character Article Tutorial]], [[University of Eyrezer Guide to Intelligent Species FANs]], and [[Wookieepedia:What is a featured article]]: [21:22:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [21:22:26] <Toprawa> As far as those individually authored tutorials, I say just delete them [21:22:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [21:22:31] <Toprawa> They were created specifically for the Inq [21:22:36] <Toprawa> They're our property, so to speak [21:22:47] <Toprawa> If any of those users wants it back some day, we can undelete it and give them the text, etc. [21:22:50] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [21:22:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah agreed Tope [21:22:57] <ecks> support [21:22:59] <Toprawa> Support [21:23:03] <Supreme_Emperor> Incidentally they would be immediately redirected to the authors userpage, since they're all inactive [21:23:07] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy's motion to move [[Wookieepedia:Featured article tutorials]] to [[Wookieepedia:Status article tutorials]] and delete [[Ataru's Address on Organization FAs]], [[Four Dot's Character Article Tutorial]], [[University of Eyrezer Guide to Intelligent Species FANs]], and [[Wookieepedia:What is a featured article?]] passes 5-0 [21:23:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> Lovely [21:23:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> Next up: [21:23:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> I want to delete Category:Wookieepedia Inquisitorius review requests and its contents. These are just review requests, like we now do on meeting pages. If the article was later placed on probation, these issues would’ve been officially mentioned on the review page. [21:23:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> These pages are not linked to on talk page milestones, and they’re not official Inq business, they’re just forum posts. On Wookieepedia we have an obsession with archiving everything, but these serve no purpose and just clutter our categories. [21:23:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Link - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Wookieepedia_Inquisitorius_review_requests [21:23:39] <Toprawa> I don't do "review requests" anyways :P [21:23:46] <AnilSerifoglu> Well said, Tommy [21:24:03] <ecks> this "obsession" stems from the fact that they are part of the public record [21:24:04] <Supreme_Emperor> ^ [21:24:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> I see no value in having them as public record though [21:24:40] <Toprawa> I agree with Tommy [21:24:48] <Toprawa> There's a point where it's just archiving something for the sake of archiving it [21:24:53] <Toprawa> It has no actual value [21:24:54] <Supreme_Emperor> Also the fact they're 10 year old junk [21:25:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> Exactly [21:25:10] <Supreme_Emperor> I see one from 2008 [21:25:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> And there's no information being lost [21:25:21] <Toprawa> Like old KB forums that were just like "DID LYUKE SKYWELKER HAVE TWO GREEN LITESBRERS?" [21:25:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> If it was taken to review, these issues would be brought up again on the probation page [21:25:50] <ecks> there's a difference between deleting nonsense KB forums outright [21:25:55] <Supreme_Emperor> I would like an answer to that Tope :P [21:26:03] <ecks> and deleting old Inq forums [21:26:11] <ecks> but nonetheless, I don't really care enough either way [21:26:22] <Supreme_Emperor> Hey 2007 one [21:26:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> I mean, we've already deleted a tonne of old inq forums.. [21:26:34] <ecks> but the default attitude should be "part of the public record" not "this is junk" [21:26:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> But OK, cool [21:26:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, vote to delete [[Category:Wookieepedia Inquisitorius review requests]] and its contents: [21:26:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [21:26:39] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [21:26:41] <Toprawa> Support [21:26:45] <ecks> support [21:27:09] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [21:27:12] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy's motion to delete [[Category:Wookieepedia Inquisitorius review requests]] and its contents passes 5-0 [21:27:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent [21:27:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Nearly there [21:27:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Next up, categorisation of probation pages [21:27:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> Currently, when a probation page is archived, we change its category to either [[Category:Wookieepedia Inquisitorius FA review successful]] or [[Category:Wookieepedia Inquisitorius former FAs]], depending on the outcome of the probation. I do not understand this. [21:27:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> I see no reason why we have two separate categories for archived probation pages. Both the AC and EC decided to drop this functionality when making their own categories, and I think we should drop it too; it just clutters our categories. I believe [[Category:Wookieepedia Featured articles]] and [[Category:Wookieepedia former Featured articles]] are sufficient for those looking for failed or [21:27:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> current FAs. As an aside, these two categories are also confusingly named, and weirdly mismatched. [21:27:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Therefore I propose that once a probation page is archived, we change the category to just [[Category:Wookieepedia Featured article probation pages archive]], which is far more simple, and matches what I’ve already implemented on GA and CA probation pages. A bot will then move all pages from the two old categories into the new one. [21:28:59] <ecks> sure [21:29:11] <Toprawa> Well, we're outnumbered by the GA and CA now :p [21:29:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Make it so [21:29:15] <Toprawa> So we can't break the mold :P [21:29:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> I mean, that's a fair point [21:29:35] <AnilSerifoglu> Nothing more to add :P [21:30:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, vote to modify categorisation of probation page archives: [21:30:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [21:30:10] <Toprawa> Support [21:30:10] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [21:30:14] <ecks> support [21:30:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [21:30:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy's proposal for updating to Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations passes 5-0 [21:30:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent. Last one: [21:30:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Inquisitorius archives [21:30:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> This is related to the above: I want to delete [[Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Archives]]. I’m guessing this was made when [[WP:INQ]] was more of a hub for listing the various forums and whatnot, and when something was removed from that main page, it ended up here. [21:30:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> However, WP:INQ is no longer such a hub. The Archives now only lists Former FA noms (I don’t even know what these are, but they haven’t been used in a long time) and probation pages. We don’t need a distinct page for all this, this can all be discovered via categories, along with a lot more different Inq archives like archived FANs and archived Reduxes. [21:30:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> TL;DR - this page is outdated and irrelevant. Delete. [21:31:07] <Tommy-Macaroni> Link - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Archives [21:31:44] <Toprawa> Yeah, I don't see what value this ever had really [21:31:48] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill with fire [21:31:50] <ecks> kill [21:31:57] <Toprawa> Kill it [21:32:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Vote to delete [[Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Archives]]: [21:32:08] <Toprawa> They might have used this before they created Inq categories [21:32:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> Support [21:32:08] <Toprawa> shrug [21:32:11] <AnilSerifoglu> Let's just delete Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius and get it over with:P [21:32:12] <Toprawa> Support [21:32:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> Heh [21:32:17] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [21:32:21] <ecks> support [21:32:21] <Supreme_Emperor> XD [21:32:22] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [21:32:40] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy's motion to delete [[Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Archives]] passes 5-0 [21:32:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent, I'm done. Thanks guys [21:32:48] <AnilSerifoglu> Anything else boyz? [21:32:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> And apologies for the excess of proposals :P [21:33:06] <AnilSerifoglu> No worries you're on paperwork :P [21:33:09] <Toprawa> XD [21:33:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Heh [21:33:32] <Supreme_Emperor> hehe [21:34:59] <AnilSerifoglu> Very well, I guess no one is eager to add more discussion items :P [21:35:14] <AnilSerifoglu> Tommy-Macaroni does paperwork and schedules the next meeting [21:35:20] <Toprawa> Thanks for hosting, Anil [21:35:20] <Toprawa> Good job [21:35:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Awesome, thanks for hosting Anil [21:35:32] <AnilSerifoglu> Inqmoot 116 is hereby adjourned