- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.
Weequay cell guard
- Nominated by: Kreivi Wolter 12:40, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Yep.
(0 ACs/5 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Cool! Unnamed background character. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Imperialles 13:20, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- --DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 13:25, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
- --TK-299 (Click Here)
06:40, June 13, 2010 (UTC)It was actually me that killed this guard :P - -- 1358 (Talk) 10:42, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Object
Farl:
Who voiced him? If not know, specify so. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:45, May 31, 2010 (UTC)- Well, the credits only mentions 2 pirate guards, but without confirming which one is which, and theres so many Weequays which could be identified as "guards". I have to say, I dont know how does this work... Should I just say its unconfirmed? Kreivi Wolter 12:58, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Say so. "The episode credits do not identify any actor voicing the 'Weequay cell guard,' but XXX and XXX are credited as voicing 'pirate guards.' Any of them, or an uncredited actor, might have voiced this character." Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah! Thanks. Kreivi Wolter 13:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Say so. "The episode credits do not identify any actor voicing the 'Weequay cell guard,' but XXX and XXX are credited as voicing 'pirate guards.' Any of them, or an uncredited actor, might have voiced this character." Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, the credits only mentions 2 pirate guards, but without confirming which one is which, and theres so many Weequays which could be identified as "guards". I have to say, I dont know how does this work... Should I just say its unconfirmed? Kreivi Wolter 12:58, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
A few things:
Intro: "This male Weequay cell guard" "This" is wrong tense; change to "A."- Imp, there is nothing wrong with this. As you may know, this isn't the first time this showed up; numerous of other conjectural titled GAs/FAs begin with "This" as well. To be honest, I had never seen a problem with it in the past. JangFett (Talk) 13:34, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, changed it already. Kreivi Wolter 13:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- "Other articles do it" is entirely irrelevant, JangFett. --Imperialles 13:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Consistency is a good practice for others to follow, Imp. I feel that your reasoning behind "'This' being the wrong tense" is only being enforced by Fourdot's reasoning. Again, as I stated before, there was nothing wrong with this in the past. If you like to discuss more about it, I'm open to any discussion outside of the GAN page. JangFett (Talk) 14:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, consistency with American English is good. Your entire argument is flawed; Wookieepedia does not dictate proper language usage. If "this" is wrong, then all the articles using that determiner are also wrong. --Imperialles 14:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually Imperialles, "other articles do it" is a valid reason. Many of our conjecture articles have this; it's how we've done it for years. If you don't like it, tough, that's how it's been done. CT it, then. It's been this way for years and no one has complained before. Chack Jadson (Talk) 14:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- That's just ignorant. If all our conjecture articles misspelled the word "the" as "teh," would that make "teh" valid? No, it would not. If something is wrong, it's simply wrong, no matter how widespread. --Imperialles 14:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Now, please dont start an edit war on my GA, please! Kreivi Wolter 16:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- That's just ignorant. If all our conjecture articles misspelled the word "the" as "teh," would that make "teh" valid? No, it would not. If something is wrong, it's simply wrong, no matter how widespread. --Imperialles 14:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually Imperialles, "other articles do it" is a valid reason. Many of our conjecture articles have this; it's how we've done it for years. If you don't like it, tough, that's how it's been done. CT it, then. It's been this way for years and no one has complained before. Chack Jadson (Talk) 14:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, consistency with American English is good. Your entire argument is flawed; Wookieepedia does not dictate proper language usage. If "this" is wrong, then all the articles using that determiner are also wrong. --Imperialles 14:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Consistency is a good practice for others to follow, Imp. I feel that your reasoning behind "'This' being the wrong tense" is only being enforced by Fourdot's reasoning. Again, as I stated before, there was nothing wrong with this in the past. If you like to discuss more about it, I'm open to any discussion outside of the GAN page. JangFett (Talk) 14:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- "Other articles do it" is entirely irrelevant, JangFett. --Imperialles 13:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, changed it already. Kreivi Wolter 13:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Imp, there is nothing wrong with this. As you may know, this isn't the first time this showed up; numerous of other conjectural titled GAs/FAs begin with "This" as well. To be honest, I had never seen a problem with it in the past. JangFett (Talk) 13:34, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Intro: "and hold him for ransom." Wrong tense.- xP adressed.
Intro: "The door of Dooku's cell was also disabled" If it was disabled as a direct consequence of the power outage, there is no need to use the word "also."- Roger roger.
Biography: What does that quote have to do with anything?- Well, Dooku is speaking about the entire gang. I took the example from the FA Jerec, on his "Jedi career" section.
Biography: "member of the pirate party" Pirate group is a better term.- Indeed.
Biography: "Sith Lord Count Dooku, the Head of State of the Confederacy of Independent Systems" Really? That's 14 words describing his title alone. The Sith Lord bit hardly seems relevant, so kill that, at the very least. Oh, and please source Dooku's position as head of state properly, unless it's stated in the episode.- Killed the "Sith Lord". But for sourcing the title, I see no reason, per many other TCW article, for example the Skirmish at Vanqor.
- Not really a valid reason. The information is present in this article, and so should be sourced properly. --Imperialles 13:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But if it is okay for a couple of FAs not to source it, why it isn't okay for this article?
- It isn't okay for GAs or FAs not to cite their sources. If the information is present, it has to be sourced. --Imperialles 17:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But... that would mean nearly all FA and GA of the TCW project lacks important sources! Kreivi Wolter 17:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Darn, I couldn't find any source which states that he is the Head of State. What now? Kreivi Wolter 18:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Dooku is Head of State, or also known as "leader," of the CIS. Sidious is the de facto leader. That's been confirmed for a while now. JangFett (Talk) 03:12, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Just because something is well known doesn't mean it shouldn't be sourced. If you can't find a source, you'll have to remove the information. --Imperialles 04:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- But you just have to search with the word "Head of State Dooku" on Wookieepedia, and you'll find that no article source the title, even the FAs and GAs. If it wasn't a problem in those, why it is in here? Kreivi Wolter 04:18, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Other articles are irrelevant. If they fail to cite sources, they are wrong. I have looked through multiple sources and can't find any evidence of Dooku being Head of State. The Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith novelization refers to him as a political leader, though. --Imperialles 04:26, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Imp, with all due respect, I think you're clearly mistaken. If something in an article is not source, it doesn't truly mean it's wrong. It is wrongful of the person to not source it, yes, but you shouldn't say everything that's not sourced is wrong. Now onto the objection, Dooku's databank entry mentions him being the leader of the CIS as well. But as for the "Head of State" issue, I think that's been mentioned in a source. For now, we should properly change Head of State to leader and source it to Dooku's databank entry, until either myself or someone else can find where "Head of State" came from. JangFett (Talk) 04:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand? I mean "wrong" in the sense that they do not comply with our sourcing policy. I can find numerous sources where other individuals are referred to as Separatist leaders, as well. --Imperialles 04:44, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- If Dooku has been referred to as "political" leader or leader in the databank, various visual guides, then he is leader. There is no other way around. Also, I'm going to politely ask that we take this argument some place else. The GAN page is not a place for an argument. JangFett (Talk) 04:49, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Considering you are the one who started the argument by interfering with my completely valid objection, I think it is you who should stop. --Imperialles 04:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I changed it to the political leader. From now on, this debate is over on this page. You may continue it in somewhere else if you will. Kreivi Wolter 05:43, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Considering you are the one who started the argument by interfering with my completely valid objection, I think it is you who should stop. --Imperialles 04:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- If Dooku has been referred to as "political" leader or leader in the databank, various visual guides, then he is leader. There is no other way around. Also, I'm going to politely ask that we take this argument some place else. The GAN page is not a place for an argument. JangFett (Talk) 04:49, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand? I mean "wrong" in the sense that they do not comply with our sourcing policy. I can find numerous sources where other individuals are referred to as Separatist leaders, as well. --Imperialles 04:44, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Imp, with all due respect, I think you're clearly mistaken. If something in an article is not source, it doesn't truly mean it's wrong. It is wrongful of the person to not source it, yes, but you shouldn't say everything that's not sourced is wrong. Now onto the objection, Dooku's databank entry mentions him being the leader of the CIS as well. But as for the "Head of State" issue, I think that's been mentioned in a source. For now, we should properly change Head of State to leader and source it to Dooku's databank entry, until either myself or someone else can find where "Head of State" came from. JangFett (Talk) 04:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Other articles are irrelevant. If they fail to cite sources, they are wrong. I have looked through multiple sources and can't find any evidence of Dooku being Head of State. The Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith novelization refers to him as a political leader, though. --Imperialles 04:26, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Dooku is Head of State, or also known as "leader," of the CIS. Sidious is the de facto leader. That's been confirmed for a while now. JangFett (Talk) 03:12, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Darn, I couldn't find any source which states that he is the Head of State. What now? Kreivi Wolter 18:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But... that would mean nearly all FA and GA of the TCW project lacks important sources! Kreivi Wolter 17:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- It isn't okay for GAs or FAs not to cite their sources. If the information is present, it has to be sourced. --Imperialles 17:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- But if it is okay for a couple of FAs not to source it, why it isn't okay for this article?
- Not really a valid reason. The information is present in this article, and so should be sourced properly. --Imperialles 13:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Killed the "Sith Lord". But for sourcing the title, I see no reason, per many other TCW article, for example the Skirmish at Vanqor.
Biography: Same goes for Binks. Unless his title is stated in the episode, please provide a proper source.- But it was sated in the episode, many times.
P&T: "trusted with guarding an important prisoner Count Dooku" This reads awkwardly. Reword to "the important prisoner Count Dooku" or something.- Adressed, I hope.
Punctuation: Commas and periods go inside quotation marks, not outside them, per community consensus.- Roger roger.
Linking: Redirect links in the infobox and the BTS.- Others already did that; thanks guys. Kreivi Wolter 13:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
- --Imperialles 13:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Xd1358
"The door of Dooku's cell was disabled, and the Count opened it, sneaked behind the incautious Weequay and strangled him to death." Why did he need to open it if it was disabled already? You mean the lock was disabled?"When Hondo Ohnaka, the captain of the gang, led the pirates to the planet Vanqor[4] around 22 BBY,[1] the gang found and captured Count Dooku,[4]..." They did not really find him, he came to ask a for a ride."Noticing this, the Sith Lord silently opened the door, sneaked behind the unaware cell guard, and strangled him to death with his energy-binders." Same as objection 1.- -- 1358 (Talk) 17:11, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
- Tehty.Kreivi Wolter 16:17, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
Fett
- "destructive accident caused by Jar Jar Binks" What "Destructive" accident? As it stands, you mention Jar Jar out of nowhere.
- What made the Weequay "incautious"? Could you somehow reword this.
- You say Dooku was only the leader in the intro, but then you say he was the "political" leader in the bio. Please correct this.
- "...paid in spice" So spice is a type of currency?
- Why was Dooku trying to escape several times? Also, where's Obi-Wan and Anakin? You should mention those two, because they're important enough to mention. The Weequay guard was not guarding Dooku only, but also the two Jedi as well.
- "The Weequay stood in guard in front of Dooku's cell, when Representative Jar Jar Binks of the Galactic Senate, who had arrived to deliver the spice to the pirates, accidentally destroyed the power couplings of the base." This sentence is rather confusing. Mainly the first clause of the sentence causes the confusion.
- "...an important prisoner worth one million credits for the gang via the ransom" Via the ransom? If the payment was spice, instead of credits, then why do you mention "credits"? While I know what you mean, since it was mentioned in the episode, the wording of this sentence is quite confusing.
- "Any of them, or an uncredited actor, might have voiced this character." Is this confirmed or speculation? I don't recall seeing this anywhere. If it is speculation, please remove. JangFett (Talk) 18:21, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Comments
- Actually, I really dont care about this anymore. I've planned to leave Wookieepedia for a month now, and theres no reason to extend the waiting. Could someone kindly remove this nomination? Kreivi Wolter 15:52, June 14, 2010 (UTC)