- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Unidentified light-haired Imperial Knight (Agamar)
- Nominated by: Menkooroo 00:33, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Wasn't sure if her hair was light brown or blonde. I stuck with "light."
(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
- Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:58, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- It's from a bottle anyway. ~ SavageBob 23:05, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Pending the issue of her gender identity is resolved. QuiGonJinn
(Talk) 22:08, February 19, 2011 (UTC) 
Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:32, February 21, 2011 (UTC)- 1358 (Talk) 12:46, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Grunny (talk) 10:31, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
Object
Xd1358
[Redacted by administration]- Blast it! I knew I was going to miss one of them. Eyre took care of it for me.
"Calixte rode a local animal into the field where the light-haired Knight stood but was knocked to the ground when two Imperial Knights fired blaster rifles at the beast." Very nitpicky, but I'm not entirely sure who was knocked to the ground? The fact that the beast was shot at implies it was Calixte, but "stood but was knocked to the ground" implies themalefemaleKnight was knocked. Clarify?- Good catch. Tweaked a bit.
- Nice. 1358 (Talk) 18:55, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Merci! Menkooroo 00:07, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
Per the recent gender changes, I'm going to make an objection for this, since I feel it's best that you learn this now for any similar future instances, and in case this change was made to any other affected articles. When referring to an individual in an ambiguous sense regarding their sex, it is not considered formally grammatically correct to refer to the individual as "they" or "them," even though that's how we normally usually speak. The formal correct usage is, literally, saying/typing "he or she," "him or her," etc. So, assuming I'm reading these new sentences correctly, these instances of "they/their" should be changed. I would recommend choosing something like "This individual" where possible, since "he or she" understandably can sound and read a bit strange: "They were one of many Knights who accompanied..." (intro); "They were one of many Knights..." (bio); "the light-haired Knight ignited their" (bio); "as they helped fight off" (P/A); and "the light-haired knight shed their" (BTS).Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:09, February 27, 2011 (UTC)- That's really good to know. I wasn't happy with "they" but couldn't think of anything better. I've changed the first two to avoid the use of a gender pronoun altogether, and his or her/he or she seems to work best for the other three. Thanks for the tip! Menkooroo 00:07, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Sure thing. Now that I think about it, though, and look at your changes, I feel like "he or she" sounds too speculative and should probably also be avoided, in most instances, which I understand only makes this that much more difficult. I've tweaked the P/A instance of this, so feel free to alter that to your liking. I would probably recommend finding a way to change the bio instance of this, too, but I admit it's a difficult dance around the ambiguous. Maybe just "ignited a lightsaber." Be creative. :P Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:49, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Used the exact wording you suggested. Also eliminated the only remaining instance of his or her/he or she, which was in the bts. Now the article is creatively ambiguous! :D Menkooroo 02:12, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Sure thing. Now that I think about it, though, and look at your changes, I feel like "he or she" sounds too speculative and should probably also be avoided, in most instances, which I understand only makes this that much more difficult. I've tweaked the P/A instance of this, so feel free to alter that to your liking. I would probably recommend finding a way to change the bio instance of this, too, but I admit it's a difficult dance around the ambiguous. Maybe just "ignited a lightsaber." Be creative. :P Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:49, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
- That's really good to know. I wasn't happy with "they" but couldn't think of anything better. I've changed the first two to avoid the use of a gender pronoun altogether, and his or her/he or she seems to work best for the other three. Thanks for the tip! Menkooroo 00:07, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 10:31, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Are we certain that's a female? I don't own the OS so I'm not sure if there's any other images that show "her" with identifying "her" parts. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 23:19, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Just the one image, where she's a little too far back for her boobs to be a good indicator, but I've always thought that her face and hair passed the female duck test. I don't know; I never really had any doubt from the first time I saw the image. Whaddya think? If we look above the necks, can we assert a double-x? Menkooroo 00:11, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Ten points to Gryffindor for the fantastic rhyme, but I'm not so certain that's an assumption we can make. The jaw looks a little square to me, and there are other boys with bangs. I won't make an objection out of it if the AC is fine with this, but I'm thinking the sex should be left ambiguous given the room for questioning. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 01:55, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- For me it was never the jaws or the hair --- the eyes and nose are what initially struck me as being female. The only reason I'm hesitant to change it to an ambiguous sex is because I honestly believe that the face passes the duck-ette test --- I can definitely see why you don't, but, I don't know... judges? That is... thoughts of everyone else? Menkooroo 14:41, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- For me, all signs point to ♀, but I think it's probably too ambiguous to assert duck vs. drake here. ~ SavageBob 15:59, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm afraid we can't assume anything by that face. Plus, looks more like a guy for me. Kreivi Wolter 02:21, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
- For me, all signs point to ♀, but I think it's probably too ambiguous to assert duck vs. drake here. ~ SavageBob 15:59, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- For me it was never the jaws or the hair --- the eyes and nose are what initially struck me as being female. The only reason I'm hesitant to change it to an ambiguous sex is because I honestly believe that the face passes the duck-ette test --- I can definitely see why you don't, but, I don't know... judges? That is... thoughts of everyone else? Menkooroo 14:41, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Ten points to Gryffindor for the fantastic rhyme, but I'm not so certain that's an assumption we can make. The jaw looks a little square to me, and there are other boys with bangs. I won't make an objection out of it if the AC is fine with this, but I'm thinking the sex should be left ambiguous given the room for questioning. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 01:55, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Just the one image, where she's a little too far back for her boobs to be a good indicator, but I've always thought that her face and hair passed the female duck test. I don't know; I never really had any doubt from the first time I saw the image. Whaddya think? If we look above the necks, can we assert a double-x? Menkooroo 00:11, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
