Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Transfer essence (second nomination)

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Transfer essence

  • Nominated by: Azra Namor 20:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I've fixed all the problems I could find, and feel it's time to try again.

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  1. 1829 ymmoT:
    • If you are going to use an image of Exar Kun, there are far more appropriate ones than the one you've currently got in the article. I suggest using the one from DLOTS where the transfer actually takes place.—Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG (No truth in me) 22:09, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
    • You make no mention of Karness Muur's spirit and how it resided within the Muur Talisman & later Celeste Morne.
      • I do, actually. Just not very much. After all, we don't want to make Muur Talisman or Force ghost redundant, and I don't have a single Dark Horse comic in my possession. Azra Namor 00:36, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
        • Please note that not having access to sources is not an excuse for not being able to address an objection. You would do well to find someone who has them if you don't have them yourself. CC7567 (talk) 02:37, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
    • Or of Darth Andeddu's transfer of his spirit into his holocron, or the device's ability to drain the spirit of another to revive Andeddu's flesh.
      • Aren't those aspects of holocron creation/Force drain? Not having the material in question, I can't ascertain one way or the other. Azra Namor 00:36, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
      • No.—Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG (No truth in me) 15:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
    • As a matter of fact, there are so many instances of various individuals' spirits being transferred into their holocrons or other devices/people, that you'll need to comb through a lot more material before this is even close to being comprehensive. I found many things, but you'll need to determine what constitutes spirit transference and what doesn't, as this is your nom.—Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG (No truth in me) 19:54, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  2. From the Alpheridies-wide famous Pasta Bowl of Fiolli:
    • The whole article is not fully sourced.
    • I find it very difficult to believe that the entire description section could be confined to one sole source without mention to any other.
    • The users should be listed chronologically as well as how they discovered it, if known.
    • There appears to be no description on the vulnerability behind this or ways to stop it. After all, Palpatine did die at the hands of a Solo.
    • This is all just from a cursory look. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Are the first two items on your list related? As in, logically dependent on each other? Or does the sourcing issue span more than the Description paragraph? (And I hate to be a jackass and directly contradict you, but The Dark Side Sourcebook does describe the power in its entirety, as well as biographing nearly all the users mentioned in the Users section). Azra Namor 02:33, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
        • No, they are not related or interdependent. I see that the article at least is fully sourced in that it has some type of reference tag on all of the paragraphs, now. As far as the second point, I see from the edits that were made that another source is in fact used to enhance the description section. My point stands, however. I still find it difficult to believe that the DSS and the Ultimate Adversaries are the only two sources that provide any unique information that could go in the description section. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that the only descriptions of this power are confined to these sources. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 12:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
      • Chronological order. On it! Azra Namor 02:33, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
        • Thank you, but make sure the tense is correct throughout. Also, if the DSS is so important in listing the users of the power, perhaps it should be cited in this section too. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 12:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
      • The vulnerability of this technique is mentioned in the article; i.e. if your target was too strong to control, and you didn't have a handy ziggurat lying around, you died—without hanging around afterward. Azra Namor 02:33, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
        • There is more that can be added to this. This alone is not the only vulnerability. Plus, I do not see this either in the article's description section nor a section about the effects on users or others. This is where it needs to be.
    • Lastly, make sure that the article does not contain speculation or OR. I do not have all the sources handy, so I am not able to look up each detail. But, a few things appear to fall under the OR umbrella or, at the very least, appear that way by its wording. — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 12:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
      • After rereading No Prisoners, I'm beginning to have my doubts about whether this is the same power Callista actually used (I'm assuming that's the section raising the OR flag). Azra Namor 22:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
  3. QGJ
    • There are several problems with this sentence: Emperor Palpatine was the most famous practitioner of this esoteric technique, surviving his first death at the hands of his own apprentice, then his second at the hands of his former apprentice's children. Palpatine's second death was actually on Byss, when he died willingly. Also, what former apprentice? Name him. "The most famous" bit is also a bit OR-ish. Please fix these.
      • Ouch. Thank you. Azra Namor 22:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
        • The second death should be mentioned along with Palpatine's ability to trigger it by himself. "Vader's children" need to be named too.
    • The description and the Bts could use this information provided by Leland Chee. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:17, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
      • So does Leland Chee's pronouncement override the description in the Wizards of the Coast RPG sourcebook? Because the assertion that the target has to be essentially an empty vessel contradicts the skill description. Azra Namor 22:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
        • Yes, since Chee maintains the official Lucas Licensing database, his words are superior to any published EU work. The conflict between his statement and the sourcebook can be explained in the Bts QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 17:11, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
    • Another thing I noticed: The clones' rate of degeneration was increased further by sabotage. More information about the "sabotage" is required. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 17:11, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Nominator hasn't addressed any of the outstanding objections in some time, the majority of which exceed the three-week threshold. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:26, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Proper source coverage before being nominated. This article is currently the opposite. CC7567 (talk) 04:30, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 15:00, October 13, 2009 (UTC)