Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Tiferep Major

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Tiferep Major

• Nominated by: Zed42 (talk) 04:43, March 25, 2019 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: My first GAN. This planet's neat, I guess. Too bad it got hit with a massive asteroid of starship wreckage.

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

1. Good job on your first GAN! Fan26 (Talk) 01:14, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
2. You truly have avenged the devastated planet. Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:50, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
3. Great work on those objections. Looking forward to future nominations from you! Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:10, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
4. Good work. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:27, April 17, 2019 (UTC)
5. Tommy Macaroni 20:57, April 17, 2019 (UTC)
6. Fantastic work. And thank for the help with canon planets! MasterFred^(Whatever) 23:05, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Anil

• First of all, you should assume that the reader isn't familiar with the subjects you are talking about, and give brief contexts about them. For example, for characters, somehing like these should suffice: the Dark Lord of the Sith/Sith Lord Darth Vader, rogue archaeologist Chelli Lona Aphra etc. You should review both the intro and the article body for missing context.
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid there are still some missing context, like Galactic Civil War between who? What is Executor, or who is Sana Starros? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:28, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
      • Oops, fixed. Zed42 (talk) 04:52, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
        • Much better. Could you please do the same for "Accresker Jail" in the intro? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
          • Done. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• In the article body, 67% should be formatted as "Sixty-seven percent."
  • Fixed. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
• Per the Layout Guide, the image captions that use a complete sentence should recieve a period.
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
• I'd like to see a time frame for the described events.
  • Done. Not sure whether the ref note is required, but I added it just in case. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
    • It looks better, but I'd still like to see a time frame for the collision stuff. At least you can say "sometime after the Battle of Yavin" if we don't have a more precise time frame. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:28, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
      • Is that good? I chose a different battle since it's mentioned in one of the issues. Zed42 (talk) 04:52, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
        • Great, but could you give a brief context for that battle? Just saying that battle was part of the war you mention in the previous paragraph should suffice. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
          • Done. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
        • As far as I know, that comic book issue doesn't mention the battle of Vrogas Vas at all. If that is the case you need to create a manual reference note that explains how these events occur after the battle. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
          • It's a somewhat indirect mention. When Vader attacks the escaping rebels in Issue #25, Hera tells them over comm "we don't want another Vrogas Vas", meaning it happened in the past. Would that still require a manual reference note? If so, I'll probably use Yavin as a reference point instead as it can actually be dated to a specific year. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
            • In that case you don't need a manual reference note for that. However, since Vrogas Vas is not as notable as Yavin, would you mind giving a time frame for the battle as well? If its exact placement is currently unknown, perhaps something like "sometime between 0 ABY and 3 ABY" with an accompanying reference note? Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 08:14, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
              • Changed it to the Battle of Yavin instead so that it can be dated more accurately. Zed42 (talk) 09:06, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
        • Also, I don't think you need to put an additional reference note for the Galactic Civil War. It is obvious that the events of the comic take place during that period as you see Imperials and rebels fighting each other. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
          • Removed it. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• You can add Oceans for the "surface water" parameter in the infobox.
  • Added. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
• If the planet's surface is indeed "covered in continental landmasses surrounded by oceans," I think it's fair to add Category:Terrestrial planets.
  • I've added it, but now I'm not too sure whether it's too much of an assumption (the image in the article is the closest look we get at its land.) If that's the case, I can remove that part. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
    • If that's the case, I think it would be better to remove it. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 04:28, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
      • It's removed, but I kept the "terrestrial" part and sourced it to issue 25, which shows Accresker Jail colliding with a solid surface. Zed42 (talk) 04:52, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
        • Good, but the planet being terrestrial is now infobox-exclusive, and should be mentioned in the article. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
          • Thought I had already mentioned that. It's there now. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• Doctor Aphra 24 says that the planet was a "rebel stronghold." This should also be reflected in the article. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:43, March 25, 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 04:01, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
• Instead of {{1stm}} {{Imo}}, you should use {{C|First mentioned, albeit indirectly}}. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 06:54, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I forgot that could be used. Zed42 (talk) 07:21, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• For one instance in Doctor Aphra 25, the planet is referred to simply as Tiferep. This should be reflected in the article as well. Additionally, there should be a redirect page for all alternate names of a subject.
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 18:38, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
    • Nice. Now, everything in the intro should also be mentioned in the article body. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:28, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
      • If you mean "Tiferep", I mentioned it in the body. Zed42 (talk) 03:30, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
• There are two consecutive ref [1]s in the Description, please revise.
  • Fixed. Zed42 (talk) 18:38, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• While reading certain parts of the article, I get some play-by-play-ish vibes. This usually happens when there are multiple successive sentences that simply summarize the events of the comic book panel by panel, especially in the last paragraph of the History. Please take a look through the text and see if you can put more emphasis on actions, rather than conversations or what happens frame by frame. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 11:53, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried rewording some of it. Is that better? Zed42 (talk) 18:38, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
• As Wookieepedia mandates the standard American English spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word usage, per the Manual of Style, there should be a comma before the last "and" in the BTS.
  • Fixed. Zed42 (talk) 03:30, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
• Also in the BTS, you don't need to specify that the comic is "canon" if the subject is entirely originated from canon media. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:28, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Removed. Zed42 (talk) 03:30, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
• One last thing: What is the rationale behind ref [4] here? "…the flagship of Darth Vader.[2] The Dark Lord of the Sith,[4] who Tolvan had secretly contacted earlier,[1]…" Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 05:36, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
  • Not sure why I thought I needed that. It's gone now. Zed42 (talk) 05:47, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

Fan

• I think the first two sentences can be combined into one opening sentence. Fan26 (Talk) 14:50, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 18:15, March 26, 2019 (UTC)
    • I'd like to see the population specified. Fan26 (Talk) 17:13, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
      • It's added back now. Zed42 (talk) 17:30, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
• Did they ever directly say the rebels evacuated the population? I only remember them saying that quote you already have on rebel forces being evacuated. Fan26 (Talk) 17:33, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
  • I interpreted that as the entire population, but they could've just left the rest there to die. I've changed the wording of the article to not assume anything. Zed42 (talk) 17:43, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

Ben

• The quote in the inhabitants section suggests there are already "casualties" when there are not. Could you correct that please? Braha'tok enthusiast (talk) 07:40, March 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 07:46, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Toprawa

• I think the History would do well to be subsectioned, two paragraphs each. This will allow for an additional quote as well if available. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:38, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. There aren't many quotes that reference the planet itself, so I moved (and extended) the quote from the Description section, as it fits better in the History. Is that okay? Zed42 (talk) 00:45, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
    • That's fine. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:24, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
• Intro objections:
  • It would be nice to provide some kind of date for this event. It appears "after the Battle of Yavin" is about as good as we can do here: "After the Imperial wreckage-prison Accresker Jail was decommissioned..."
    • Done. Zed42 (talk) 19:07, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
  • Who is doing this? It would be nice to credit these events to someone or something. The Empire, for example? "...it was set on a collision course with Tiferep Major in order to eradicate the rebels there." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:24, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
    • Changed it. Zed42 (talk) 19:07, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
• Same thing here now. Who held it back? "...it was held back by a tractor beam due to the arrival of the Sith Lord Darth Vader..." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:09, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
  • Oops, fixed that one too. Zed42 (talk) 19:15, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
• Description section: From the first History section image, the planet clearly has landmasses and surface water. This should be detailed explicitly in place of the "appeared blue and green" bit.
  • I had mentioned it before, but I was unsure if it was too speculative. It's added back now. Zed42 (talk) 19:48, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
• Additionally, these features can be listed in the infobox in the "terrain" and "water" fields. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:32, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Zed42 (talk) 19:48, April 15, 2019 (UTC)
• Is the planet's population 2 billion or "around" 2 billion, as the Inhabitants section says? They aren't exactly synonymous. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:02, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
  • The comic just says "2 billion", so I removed the "around" part. Zed42 (talk) 19:31, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
• I haven't read this comic, so I'm not familiar with its events, but it seems from reading the Magna Tolvan article that Starros actually goes down to Tiferep Major to rally the rebel reinforcements or whatever the case might be. If this is true, the article should detail this to explicitly say that Starros went down to the planet. Right now it kind of just glosses over this part without giving much detail. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:53, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
  • The comic doesn't exactly specify whether Starros went to Tiferep Major, she escapes the prison in an escape pod and is next seen flying past with a rebel squadron. I adjusted the wording of the article slightly to show that, at the very least, she stayed near the planet. Zed42 (talk) 06:39, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 23:05, April 17, 2019 (UTC)