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Nho'Apakk

  • Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 06:33, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Nho'Apakk: Where is he? I don't know, I don't know.

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Look at his beady eyes... Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 03:01, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
  2. If you're looking for victory, then friend, you don't know jack. 'Cause one thing that is for sure, you ain't no Nho A'pakk. Menkooroo 14:31, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 03:01, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
  4. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:17, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:05, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  6. ACvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 22:59, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Holocron
  • You probably should mention that he's a warrior in the intro before the last sentence, or rewrite it. Currently it reads as if it was established that he's a warrior earlier on in the article.
  • Mention why the village fought with the Rebels.
  • Could you split the second paragraph in the Bts in half? Most readers tend to dislike reading such long paragraphs online, especially in the Bts. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 07:43, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the review! Took a stab at all these. ~ SavageBob 22:37, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
QGJ
  • Why not mention the huge "impact" this story had on the boy according to the Q&A? I think it's an important and interesting piece of information. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 22:37, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
    • Good call; I somehow disregarded the last bit of the Q&A info. It's been incorporated now! ~ SavageBob 18:02, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Ahh!
  • The Q & A session should be an external link rather than a source.
  • One more from the Sources section: May I introduce you to Template:HasbroCite! Here's an example of it; the linking can be kinda tricky.
    • Go for it for "Star Wars: The 30th Anniversary Collection" in Notes and references too! Menkooroo 00:24, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
      • You can do it! :D Menkooroo 05:48, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • You and your silly rules! Always trying to confine me! Waaaa.... (OK, done. :)) ~ SavageBob 06:43, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
  • Which Ewok illustration is it based off of --- Romba or Graak? Menkooroo 15:52, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure I agree with your first point; in my opinion, it's being mined for the bulk of the article and qualifies as a source (an external link would be something that had not been used for information). As for the Hasbro template, does that apply in this case? Han's Hideout is one of several fan sites that Hasbro interfaces with each month, providing official information based on fan-generated questions. As such, I could see it being indicated with the Hasbro template, but I'm not sure, since it's not an official Hasbro site. As for Romba/Graak, it's Graak (who is, incidentally, the same Ewok as Lumat from the old Kenner line. We now have three Ewoks based on the same costume, although Nho'Apakk's sculpt is not based on this costume.) ~ SavageBob 18:02, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
    • Scratch one of those; I think I get your Hasbro Cite objection now. Fixed! ~ SavageBob 18:07, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
      • The layout guide and WP:CANON are pretty clear on what a source is --- something with canon in it. Any sort of interview, no matter how much info it provides the article, isn't a "Source." If it were, then I could include an interview with Patty Maloney in Lumpy's "Sources" section. :P "External link" is certainly not synonymous with "something that the article doesn't use any info from;" plenty of bts sections mine interviews and other third-party websites. A Consensus Track discussion held last year determined that even some articles on sw.com don't count as "sources," and that included sw.com articles that provide exclusive bts info --- if even sw.com articles that provide unique bts info don't count as "sources," then what chance do other websites have?? :D Menkooroo 00:24, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
        • That's a silly rule. Honestly, I disagree wholeheartedly with this definition of "source." But c'est la vie. I've moved the Q&A to BTS. :( ~ SavageBob 05:28, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Jujiggum
  • First sentence of intro and first sentence of the bio differ by one word: "of" vs. "from." Please vary up the wording a bit.
  • Could we get a more direct explanation in the BTS of Nho'Apakk's possible appearance in RotJ?
  • Nice work. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:16, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the review! I mixed up the first sentence of the bio. As for his possible appearance in ROTJ, I'm not sure what to do. I watched the Ewok scenes of the movie closely and couldn't spot him, but I was unable to establish that he's not there; there are lots of scenes where tons of Ewoks are on screen obscuring one another, so it's possible he's there just as it's possible he ended up on the cutting-room floor. I've asked a few other Ewok "experts" (like Sompeetalay), and they don't know if he's there either. In other words, I could either assume he's there, or leave the Pos tag to indicate it's difficult to determine. I'm not sure how to articulate this in the BTS, though. ~ SavageBob 19:45, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
      • Okay, here's my suggestion: if no one can confirm that he's there (or that he's not there) then just specify that there were many Ewoks shown in the movie, but none were explicitly stated to be Nho'Apakk, so whether or not the Ewok appeared in the film is unknown. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 20:03, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
        • Chak (look it up; it's Ewokese). How's it now? ~ SavageBob 21:40, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
Cav
  • May a little on why the Empire established a presence on the moon could be added, along with the ultimate outcome of the battle? - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 09:21, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • I've reloaded the article's infobox, which has caused some reference ordering problems. Please revise and remember to reload infobox data fresh when writing new articles to avoid these kinds of issues. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:29, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • I think it's fixed. Thanks for taking a look! ~ SavageBob 01:52, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Perhaps this is a bit nitpicky, but I'm not sure if I entirely agree with the accuracy of this wording. I'm fairly certain there are sources that establish that the Ewoks were already well aware that the Imperial presence on the moon was a "threat." Rather, the Rebels convinced the Ewoks of the need to actually go to war to remove the threat: "convinced Nho'Apakk's village that the Galactic Empire, which had established a presence on the moon to support the construction of a new Death Star in the system, was a threat"
  • I think the biography would benefit from a brief conclusion sentence establishing the end result of the Endor battle.
  • The back of the toy package states that this character was a "fearsome warrior when threatened." I don't really see this reflected in the article. Should be good P/T material.
  • I'm confused where the article is drawing the conclusion that he sometimes wears a brown or blue hood. As far as I can see from the toy pictures, the character is only wearing a single hood, which by my best estimation appears to be only dark blue in color.
  • While I understand your reasoning for including it, I would strongly recommend just removing ROTJ from the Appearances list. It's really just speculation. The BTS explanation should suffice. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:05, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
    • I've changed the bit about convincing them to include the idea that the Rebels got them to help fight; I added a concluding sentence to the bio; and I added the word "fearsomely" to the P&T, since it already says he is a defensive warrior without repeating the toy package info exactly. As for the hood, I checked the toy again, and it's actually kind of dark gray, but the toy package shows it as dark blue. That's where that's coming from. As for the "Pos" appearance, I'd normally agree with you. What gives me pause here is that the suit was made, and all signs point to it being featured in the movie. I can yank it if you really insist, but I think this is a case where the Pos template proves its worth. What do you think? ~ SavageBob 04:00, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
    • Actually, some folks are stating that Nho'Apakk is the Ewok who tries to trip the AT-ST with a rope in ROTJ. See here and here. I'm mostly convinced that's him. I'll ping Sompeetalay and Ozzel to see what they think, but we may have an ID here. ~ SavageBob 04:07, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
      • I do feel like the ROTJ appearance should be removed. You're right that all signs point to the character probably being in the movie, but we're basing this on pure speculation with no concrete evidence of any kind actually officially confirming this. There's a good chance that this character is one of the Ewoks in those pictures, but that remains pure speculation. We wouldn't include in the article, for example, "Nho'Apakk possibly helped trip an AT-ST walker during the battle," etc., so we shouldn't include the corresponding "possible appearance." If you guys can get Chee to say that Ewok in the picture is this character, awesome, definitely include it. But until that time, it's really best to leave it out and avoid speculating to any degree. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:24, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
        • I'll ax it for now. Hopefully Chee will support one candidate or the other. ~ SavageBob 22:46, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

  • Of all the articles to write... you chose an Ewok! Yub yub... Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 07:43, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • Damn straight! Beechawawa! ~ SavageBob 22:37, February 17, 2011 (UTC)