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Navior

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Clone Commander Lee Talk 14:13, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 20:26, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 16:25, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
  4. ACvote Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:10, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:11, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
  6. ACvote Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 20:08, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Object

Lee's charge
  • His gender should be mentioned/linked in the intro.
    • Done
  • Is his species notable enough to have an own article? We have been pretty tough on these ones lately.
    • My understanding was that Navior was under the idea of "Notable Development history." Whitlatch's artwork of Navior was in some books as the character was originally created for The Phantom Menace.
  • His nicknamed needs to be introduced in the bio and explained (if possible).
    • Whoops, though I had it in there. There is no known source for it. Originally it was written due to his eyes, but going back I haven't found this in any sources.
  • It's one lacking point was its fairly average top speed, and its fragility.: Is this really only "one" point?
    • Whohps, that's two. Fixed.
  • I'm not sure if a complete description of his podracer is necessary in the "Equipment" section.
    • I don't if I'd call that a complete description. Maybe I can trim the bit about the cockpit. I don't know, really. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:16, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
  • Clone Commander Lee Talk 09:20, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Jang
  • Do not start your intro with "A rather touchy Podracer pilot." If it's assumption, it needs to get out of there. JangFett (Talk) 13:37, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
    • It's based on the fact that he's a jerky pilot and his vehicle is very fragile (He's still like the best pilot in the game, though lol). Both aspects are expanded on in the bio and equipment section when referencing the his piloting and the vehicle's handling and fragility... Although yes, the statement is a little more based on the fact that in-game, he's extremely sensitive on the control stick.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:16, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
      • Remember WP:NPOV. "A rather touchy" needs to be changed. JangFett (Talk) 15:00, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
        • Well I did change it to just "touchy", unless that's still POV. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:19, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
          • Try this: "A sensitive pilot" or "An emotional pilot," JangFett (Talk) 04:23, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
            • Ah, my terminology was probably better suited to a discussion about the character from a game stand point as opposed to in-universe. The statement had nothing to do with the character's personality, but rather the handling of his vehicle. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 01:37, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
              • Okay, I see. Later in the intro, you mention the vehicle itself again, so it'll be pretty redundant to mention the machine twice in such a small paragraph. JangFett (Talk) 12:55, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
                • Ah, alright.
  • Reload your infobox
    • Ooh, that's a nice update.
  • Unfortunately, you cannot say "Unidentified" in an article. In the infobox, replacing the word "Unidentified" with an "A" via pipelinking will work.
    • Ah, Didn't know that applied to infoboxes too.
  • "With a reputation of being one of the more honest pilots on the course, he piloted an Irateq RQ 550C Dart Podracer which was known for zipping around obstacles that would swiftly destroy larger Podracers." I'm not noticing the relationship between him being an honest pilot and him flying a larger machine that could destroy others' crafts. In other words, I fail to see why he's honest.
    • The latter part of that meant that the obstacles detroyed larger Podracers, wheras the Dart could slip through due to its size. I've reworded it now.
  • "This burst of speed and agility gave Navior no need to use underhanded tactics to gain an advantage." Check your grammar. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here.
    • Reworded it slightly. Meant to say that the vehicle's nimbleness gave Navior an advantage already, so actual cheating was unnecessary for him, as he and his craft were already good.
      • I tweaked it a bit, but I'm not too sure what these underhanded tactics are. Remember, you're writing for an audience. Certain people might not know what you're talking about. :P JangFett (Talk) 14:31, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
        • Are you saying "underhanded tactics" doesn't mean the same thing as cheating?:P I made a reference to sabotage and weapons. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:43, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
          • I never heard of that before. What does the source say (prima, the video game, ect)? JangFett (Talk) 13:35, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
            • 'Underhanded tactics' is generally a way to say cheating, in my experience. Explicitly, the Prima guide uses the words "play dirty." --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:26, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • "a name that was commonly placed in front of his real name." Usually that's how nicknames are handled. :P Saying "was given the nickname "Bullseye" will suffice. Do you know why he was nicknamed Bullseye? Was it related to his pilot skills or craft?
    • Always assumed it was in references to his eyes, and this article used to state that. But so far I've found no source for the nickname. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 13:53, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
      • According to the CSWE, his eyes are in fact the source of his nickname. Funny, as no previous source stated this minus Wookiepedia.... Hah. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 13:46, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • More to come. JangFett (Talk) 12:55, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • A general note: Saying "Podracer pilot" can get redundant, since saying "Podracer" refers to the pilot alone.
    • Right, although if the word is used fairly close to each other, such as using the word to reference the vehicle, and then later in the next sentence or one sentence over we use the word to refer to the pilot, we might as well say pilot afterwards, to defer to the fact we are using the word in terms of the pilot this time (Or I suppose we could just say 'pilot' and leave the term Podracer out entirely until it needs to be sued as a pilot reference later). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 13:46, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • In the intro you said he was a pilot around the year 32 BBY, but in the bio you say "during." Which is correct?
    • It would be during, go by some of the things found in Racer. Although, it can be a bit confusing. When in Watto's shop, Qui-Gon Jinn, Jar Jar, and R2-D2 can be found standing around. As far as I know and as far as I've read, those three were first present there during 32 BBY. It can't take place after as Qui-Gon is present, and I doubt they stuck around for thirty+ races across the galaxy before going to Coruscant. Anyways, with their presence we can more or less say this took place during 32 BBY, and the Boonta at the end of the game seems to be treated like the one from the film (Despite what could be differing rosters). I made a comment below about how to date this.
  • You used the word "performed" in two consecutive sentences. Mix it up.
    • Ok
  • Something doesn't flow right. You say he was obscure but he was able to gather a cult following? How does that work? Did the source(s) say anything?
    • Okay, imagine the movie neither you nor I have ever heard of. Now think of the fandom that follows it, that we've also never heard of, but may of caught glimpses of on Tumblr. That's "Bullseye" Navior, according to the guides. Obscure to the mainstream audiences, but he has some fans nonetheless.
      • I wouldn't use "cult following" unless a source states it. JangFett (Talk) 16:31, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • Unless the prima guide mentions the Boonta Eve's year, I've placed a {{Fact}} tag by the year's mention.
    • See previous and later dating comments. I'm assuming I can just look up the date for TPM in the NEC, and use that.
  • Like I mentioned before, I have no idea who these people are: Jinn Reeso, Boles Roor, and Neva Kee, among others. I think giving them context will help, or just mention something that describes them all. Since the Boonta Eva is a big deal, surely only the best go there, right? Does a source say anything. If not, then you can always describe that the Boonta Eve was a dangerous and large track.
    • Added context to the pilots, but as far as we know, Navior may have never raced in a Boonta. The race in mention took place before the film Boonta, though we don't know if that's a Boonta race or the Training Course Race, as both go through Hutt Flats. We know it's before the film's race, however, because Neva Kee is present. Kee disappeared during the film's race and was never seen again, and as such this race couldn't have taken place after the film. The only way it could is if Kee resurfaces in the future. As such, I don't think the Boonta Eve Classic needs much of a mention at all, as it has nothing to do with Navior.
      • Adding "Podracer" doesn't help, as it's already implied that he's flying against Podracers. Try adding their species or something related to them. JangFett (Talk) 13:35, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
  • At the end of the bio, what happened afterward? I think you could briefly mention more events and who eventually won the 32 BBY race.
    • I mentioned that we don't know who won Navior's Tatooine race, but I'm not sure if mentioning the season's end is really necessary. (I'll get to unaddressed objections a little later)--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:44, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • "Navior also had white colored skin." Please find a way to merge this short choppy sentence with another related sentence.
    • How is that?
  • In the equipment section, can you clarify what exactly was painted? You say it had the appearance of being largely unpainted, but then you go onto to describe that certain parts sported different colors. I'm assuming that you mean the craft's paint job was fading, thus showing that it might be largely unpainted.
    • Wherever there isn't paint, it looks scratched and a dull gray, as if it's just the base metal of the engine housings. As for the colors, I'm not sure how much more explicit I can be as too where the colors are.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:26, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • Bts later. JangFett (Talk) 14:31, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
  • Do you see any issue with your prima guide sourcing atm? You sourced three consecutive sentences with the prima source <ref name="Prima" /></nowiki> and then in the next paragraph you begin a new source <ref name="Prima">''[[Star Wars: Episode I Racer: Prima's Official Strategy Guide]]''</ref>. Normally I would go in and correct this, but this shouldn't be happening since it is a rather glaring issue. Could you please correct this issue? I assume that you know what to do, unless you need me to explain more. JangFett (Talk) 23:28, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
    • Looks like I sourced that last thing to the Prima guide first, and then later worked backwards. Think that should fix that. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 04:25, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
A Force user

If he has an entry, the CSWE would need to be listed in the Sources list. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 14:28, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Toprawa
  • Calling the Irateq his "primary Podracer" suggests that he used other racers as well. I doubt this is the case, so the article should instead be reworded to simply say he used the Irateq as his racer: "Navior piloted an Irateq RQ 550C Dart as his primary Podracer"
  • Likewise, this suggests that there were times when he wore goggles. Is there ever an instance of him wearing goggles? "When racing, Navior did not always use goggles" Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:34, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
SE
  • Can you reword the first sentence of the intro? As is, it sounds like it was his species that performed in podraces. Supreme Emperor (talk) 14:14, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:08, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


Also, I doubt I can just source 32 BBY to the game, so NEC I presume? The game itself I think can be dated as such because of the presence of Qui-Gon Jinn and Jar Jar Binks in the game, but I'm not totally certain. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 19:25, April 23, 2014 (UTC)