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Moradmin Bast

  • Nominated by: JangFett Talk 00:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Quite solid work, One of the few outside TCW articles I've rewritten :P

(2 ACs/4 Users/6 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote IFYLOFD (You will pay the price for your lack of vision!) 03:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
  2. MauserComlink 03:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote --Eyrezer 05:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
  4. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 08:47, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Hanzo Hasashi 22:22, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Gmalek 00:07, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Object

  1. Floyd:
    • "Moradmin Bast was an Imperial Army general, subordinate to High General Cassio Tagge, and the personal aide to Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin aboard the first Death Star, and served as chief manager in the Death Star." Split these sentences up.
      • Addressed
  2. *"Though soon after, Bast was killed when the Death Star exploded near Yavin 4, after Luke Skywalker's proton torpedo entered the Thermal exhaust port in the Death Star." The "Though soon after" is rather awkward.
      • Indeed, removed that statement.
    • " Seated to the left of his superior officer, Tagge, the group of command staff stationed in the Death Star discussed the Rebel Alliance, and their victory in obtaining the Death Star plans." Is it really relevant where he sat?
      • Not really :) Removed
    • " Motti and Tagge argued about the Imperial Senate's continuous support for the Alliance, though with the intervention of Tarkin, he announced to the assembled command staff the Emperor's dissolution of the Imperial Senate. " Reword. It makes it sound like Motti or Tagge announced the dissolution of the Senate, although it was Tarkin.
      • Removed that comma and added a period before "Though".
    • Be consistent on your capitalization of the "Force".
      • Addressed
    • "During the Battle of Yavin, Imperial military analysts, who had been studying the Rebels' initial attempt to enter the battle station's northern polar trench, brought to Bast's attention." Brought what to Bast's attention?
      • Addressed and removed that statement.
    • "Bast indicated that the small thermal exhaust port was a potential danger to everyone onboard the battlestation. " Tell why the exhaust port is a danger.
      • Addressed. I stated that it was a entrance to the main reactor; I could say why it was a "danger" in a different sentence, but I don't want to get off topic.
    • "Though, the engineers stationed on the Death Star experienced slight difficulties, delaying the destruction of Yavin 4." Merge this with the previous sentence.
      • Addressed
    • "after one of his fighters bumped his own fighter, " Reword.
      • haha, Thanks for addressing this objection. Fixed, hope that works
    • "as well as all the Death Star's commendations," I don't think commendations is appropriate here.
      • Reworded
    • Is content of the Legacy section really suitable for Legacy? It's really just "There was a guy who looked like him."
      • No, removed. The mentioning of the lookalike is in the bts.
    • Quote for P&T?
      • The only major quote he said in Episode IV was the "analyzed the attack sir". I don't want to repeat the quote because I used it two times. I moved one variation of that quote to the P&T from the Battle of Yavin section.
    • "many of whom were also assigned to the Death Star included:" Reword, although I would prefer you cut the part about the other Imperial officers with the same facial hair out entirely. It's not very relevant./s>
      • Addressed
    • "The lookalike officer in the Holiday Special has not yet been identified, and his connection with Bast, if any, has not been explained, but it is known that is not Bast, and that Bast died in the Battle of Yavin." Split this sentence up, and the one following it.
      • Addressed
    • Watch your linking. Articles are linked to once in the intro and once in the main body of the article.
      • Fixed
    • IFYLOFD (You will pay the price for your lack of vision!) 02:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
  3. Mauser:
    • One thing is obligatory for all movie noms: check all adaptations. In your case: the novel, the junior novel, the Marvel adaptation, the Dark Horse adaptation, the Manga adaptation, the photo comic, the radio drama, The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader and possibly some others. Simply adding them to the appearances list is not nearly enough: you must check all of them for any new info and inconsistencies.
      • I completely agree, though I need to check if he was in the novel. I don't quite remember if he was in the 1976 and the most recent adaptions, but I will check. Bast wasn't identified until CCG, he was known by a different name/designation before the CCG. Death Star referred to Bast as "lieutenant".
        • Fixed sources and references. Expanded bts as well.
    • A movie character with lines such as Bast is ought to have more sources mentioning him. Cards from Star Wars Trading Card Game and Star Wars PocketModel TCG are the first ones that spring to mind, but I'm sure there are a lot more. Even the sources, that are already listed, you don't seem to use. Where's the info from the Insider article, Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, Star Wars Encyclopedia for that matter?
      • I'll be adding more sources and I'll check those visual dictionaries. Hopefully the newer sources say he is Bast.
        • Same comment in the previous objection.
    • Keeping in mind that those two objections are pretty major and will require a lot of time to get the sources alone, I'd say this article's chances of getting GA'd in the near future are slim at best. MauserComlink 10:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
      • With respect, Fett, you should have done that prior to moninating the article. MauserComlink 13:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
        • Though a article can change throughout the nomination.
          • Will give a full review after the last two sources are checked. MauserComlink 10:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  4. Jinzler
    • The sources list is not in chronological order
      • I'm aware of that; I'll be adding new sources soon and reorder them.
    • I may be wrong, but wasn't Bast's rank known only to be "Chief" until the release of Death Star, which confirmed that he was a general? If so, this should be mentioned in the BTS section
      • CCG referred to him as Chief Bast. Death Star was only "lieutenant". But I'll check the novel just to make sure.
    • I know that Floyd has suggested that you remove the legacy section but if you keep it, it could do with some slight rephrasing: Two years after Bast's death, a man who served onboard the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer Devastator resembled Bast - this seems to give the impression that the man only resembled Bast while aboard the Star Destroyer. It would perhaps sound better if you changed it to "a man resembling Bast served onboard an Imperial I-class Star Destroyer. Also you could perhaps add a bit more context to this and mention the Blockade of Kashyyyk
    • My favourite Death Star officer --Jinzler 23:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
      • I agree :)
  5. Mauser strikes back:
    • Sources needs to be sorted by the order of publishment.
      • Addressed
    • Why have succession box, if he's the only person to ever hold such position?
    • Addresed
    • Context for the Death Star in intro.
      • Adressed
    • In the intro you use the words Death Star too much. Replace some instances with "battlestation" or something.
      • Addressed
    • Intro could be expanded.
      • I dont think so. The intro explains his rank within the Death Star, which is partly revealed in the DS novel. Then sums up his role in A New Hope.
    • No "remains unknown" is allowed.
      • Addressed
    • "either assigned or personally selected" - speculation.
      • Addressed
    • "He seems to have functioned well" - speculation.
      • Addressed
    • You describe all events in the conference room, though not all of them are relevant to Bast himself. Please re-check.
      • Addressed
    • Find at least one more image for the article.
      • Addressed
    • The image of Bast and Vader is from the very deleted scene you talk about. Therefore, it is not Bast.
      • Addressed
    • You say that Skywalker led a squad into the trench. Read the squad article and reword accordingly.
      • Addressed
        • I corrected it myself.
    • More to come. MauserComlink 15:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
  6. Next round:
    • Infobox: you don't even say that he was a Human male. Same for the bio.
      • Actually, it was in the infobox but not in the bio. Added in the bio.
        • Sorry, still can't see it in the bio.
    • "found a potential danger" - what exactly was the danger?
      • Addressed in the intro.
        • The thing is, intro should be self-explanatory.
      • Expanded the meaning of it in the intro. But it is explained in his bio.
    • "Bast confronted Tarkin" - that wasn't a confrontation. Besides, you don't even say that he asked Tarkin to evacuate.
      • Reworded and expanded.
    • "Bast entered service in the Imperial Army and rose through the ranks" - what's the source for that?
      • Reworded, that section is sourced to the DS novel.
    • "Bast had no personal aspirations beyond serving the Empire, and was loyal to Tarkin and Tagge." - that belongs in P&T.
      • Addressed
    • Why did the Rebels run out of time?
      • Expanded
        • Again, is that really relevant to Bast? Check the article TK-622 - it only mentions parts of the battle that were essential to his fate, no need to focus on Luke and vader instead of Bast.
          • Agreed. Any irrelevant information is removed.
    • Tarkin did not order Bast to fire the superlaser, of that I'm certain. The orders were to another officer.
      • I'm certain it was Bast and then Bast gave the order to the chief gunnery officer.
        • I will double-check it soon.
          • Tarkin faced Bast and ordered him to "fire when ready" in ANH. Possibly, at separate times, Bast told Tenn to fire.
    • The whole last paragraph of the bio with the description of the Battle of Yavin looks choppy. Check it again and leave only elements relevant to Bast himself.
      • Addressed and removed a section.
    • Expand P&T.
      • I merged that sentence in the bio in the P&T, though their is not too much information about him and I have listed what is seen in the DS novel and A New Hope.
    • In Holiday Special Bast's lines from the movie were re-dubbed, you should mention that.
      • Addressed
        • Sorry, you misunderstood me. In the ANH deleted scene he and Vader had one dialogue, while in the Holiday Special it was replaced with a compeletely different one. It's explained in Star Wars: Behind the Magic.
          • Any better man?
    • MauserComlink 17:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Chack Attack:
    • Your sources are out of order.
      • Addressed
    • I'm currently working on Motti, and there ended up being a lot more P&T info than I expected (little tidbits from numerous sources). Are you sure that you can't expand the P&T for Bast? Going along with this, are you sure those are all the sources? I realize his role is less than Motti's but still, I'd think there might be a few more sources than shown here. Chack Jadson (Talk) 14:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
      • P&T expanded. I found very little information about Bast from that source, and he did have a rivalry with Motti. I added that in the bio, and more in the P&T.
    • You may be missing sources. Use Jaymach's site, and check sources like Galaxy Guide 1 and other sourcebooks which deal with that time period. Chack Jadson (Talk) 11:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
      • I looked through various of old sourcebooks, and Galaxy Guide and they had Bast, however, they only referred to him as "Chief". JangFett Talk 20:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. While I look at the stuff above, I'm gonna have to go with them. It seems to me that this article should be looked over once more, then re submitted. Gmalek 18:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC) Objection(s) overridden by AgriCorps 12:27, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
    • Huh? Gmalek, those are former objections that have been addressed. Please familiarize yourself on how the FAN/GAN pages work.
  9. Toprawa:
    • I'll suppose I'll list here the objections I have voiced to Jang already, until they are resolved. Note that they will likely increase with time.
      • Check out information for both editions of Galaxy Guide 1.
        • Still waiting for my GG1 first edition, should arrive soon. GG1 second has been checked. JangFett Talk 16:31, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
          • I'm sorry that it took so long to address this but I finally got my copy of GG1. I read through it and found a brief image of Tarkin and Bast. The image was a black/white version of "http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:BastTarkinEvacuate-ANH.jpg." I couldn't find anything regarding his name or information about Bast. He was, however, identified as "Chief." JangFett Talk 11:32, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
            • Both editions of GG1 should then be added to the Source list, rather than the GG1 disambig link that is currently there. And please remember to make sure you put them in chronological order. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
              • Sorry, addressed. 18:59, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
      • Make sure you have included all CCG cards in the Source list. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
        • CCG cards have been checked. JangFett Talk 16:31, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
    • Does Bast not appear in the ANH radio drama? Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:55, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
      • Addressed and added info in the BtS. JangFett Talk 19:57, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
    • Please include the specific individual issue(s) of Star Wars: A New Hope - The Special Edition that Bast appears in into the Appearances list, rather than the parent compilation article that is currently there. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:55, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
    • For the record, I'm continuing to go through this nom with Jang step by step, some here and some with him directly in IRC. So my apologies to all if the process is slow-going and doesn't appear to be moving, but the nom is not being neglected. Continuing with my objections, the source for his height in the infobox is incorrect. Please revise. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:28, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
      • I fixed the height problem, Tope. :) JangFett Talk 00:19, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  10. This nom has been neglected far too long

Comments

  • Appearances go above sources fyi. Darth Trayus Sith Emblem (Trayus Academy) 02:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Opps, must have missed that. Thanks for fixing that Trayus :) JangFett Talk 00:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)