Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Kryze Castle

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Kryze Castle

  • Nominated by: Marvacian Archivist (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: I realise that there would probably be a book about the art of the Mandalorian Season 3 which would significantly expand the Bts section leading to this article needing to be renominated as a featured article nomination however for now I'll nominate this article as a good article. This way I can ensure information from all other sources regarding this location is all written in this article.
  • Date Archived: 20:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 999 words (146 introduction, 644 body, 209 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional): WP:TMND

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Object

Lew
  • The history doesn't need splitting into 2 1 paragraph sections
    • What exactly do you mean? Marvacian Archivist (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
      • You should remove the headings 'Early History and Mission to the Living Waters' and 'Destruction' and the relevant main article things, and stick with keep the second quote for the overall section
        • Ah ok I see what you mean. Now done. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 19:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
          • Now that's done, you should be able to split the paragraphs nicely so that it's not just 2 big blocks of writing.
  • Release date for chapter 19 needed
  • The date note should include mention of chapter 19 itself and the castle's destruction
    • How exactly do I do this? This will be my first time writing a date note. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Something like this, but include 'including the destruction of Kryze Castle in Chapter 19'
  • 'One set of concept art by Church showed two Kom'rk-class fighters on the right and left-hand side of the castle[14] though there is no evidence of this.' I don't think the last bit of the sentence is really needed, it is just concept art after all
  • It is possible to merge some of the one time used refs into each other or other sources already used? Lewisr (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
    • What exactly do you mean? Marvacian Archivist (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
      • As in can you cite some of the info to preexisting sources being used instead of using new sources. Like can the info about the darksaber be cited to the Book of Boba Fett episode instead of the 100 objects book? Does that make sense? Lewisr (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
        • Ah, I see what you mean. I've removed the new references in favour of the BOBF Return reference. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I think the paragraphs in the intro, description, and BTS sections should be split into 2 paragraphs so that it looks a little better to read Lewisr (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
  • You should include the Around 9 ABY date into the history section and then include 'around that year' when speaking about the S3 stuff
  • The last part of the 1st paragraph in history is uncited Lewisr (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for the Clone Wars
    • But that would be providing context within a context. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
      • It's still needed though, for readers who might not be aware of what it is. It really doesn't require that much beyond saying it was a galactic conflict between the Republic and Separatists with an appropriate source like Timelines Lewisr (talk) 22:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Is there a quote that can be added into the description section?
  • There are at least two things mentioned only in the intro, Grogu being Force-sensitive and R5 being an R5 series droid
  • You're missing a piece of concept art from the Chapter 18 Mando Download Lewisr (talk) 18:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
  • The release dates of the episodes cannot be cited to the episodes themselves Lewisr (talk) 22:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Anil
  • (Reviewing note) [[R5 series astromech droid|R5 series]] [[astromech droid]] should not be pipelinked and be formatted as [[R5 series astromech droid]] upon first linking instance per the Manual of Style.
  • (Reviewing note) Also per MoS, only image captions that constitute full sentences should receive a period (full stop).
  • (Reviewing note) According to the Layout Guide, {{Mediacat}} should be placed in "Notes and references" in this article.
  • I don't think Din visited Bo-Katan "numerous" times at her castle as far as we know.
  • Could you please note in BTS that the capitalization of the subject's name is conjectural?
  • The faction responsible of the castle's bombing is significant enough to be mentioned in the intro.
  • Clan Kryze is infobox-exclusive. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
    • There is no need as Clan Kryze is affiliated to House Kryze. This info can be derived from the House Kryze page. Also I have mentioned House Kryze and in my opinion, that is more than enough. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 22:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
      • Clan Kryze is indeed affiliated with House Kryze, but I don't understand how we can assume the castle's clan affiliation like that. If this castle belonged to, say, House Vizsla, we couldn't say if it was Clan Vizsla or Clan Wren, for example. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'm sorry for saying this, but the changes you made here (besides the objection-related ones) while constantly checking the word count violate FAN rule #14, which states that a GAN should "not be deliberately shortened if it approaches the 1000-word limit." And despite the changes, the article currently has 999 words, which makes it almost certainly a candidate for FAN instead. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
    • I understand that I may have broken FAN rule #14 but let me explain myself. From what I have understood, I have not removed crucial info such as providing context or info about the castle. You can check the edit history and from what I can see, I have just reworded sentences. I have not removed context from things like the clone wars or I have removed info about the castle. I understand that this is shortening, but I don't see the issue here. If for example I removed context for the Clone Wars for the sake of the word count, I can understand why and I would remove the GAN for a FAN. It is your decision of course and I am happy for you and the Agri corps to remove the GAN if needed. Thanks, Marvac. Marvacian Archivist (talk) 13:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
      • In a case such as this (as also indicated by the nomination comment, as a location in a live-action series, it will eventually get featured in art books and other supplementary sources) the article will more probably than not only grow from here. Due to Mando being heavily covered in stuff such as Topps cards and other minor reference books, it would likely be beneficial for it to come down under the stability rule as well. This'll make a lovely FAN if you decide to take it there, but generally, it may save much struggle to nominate GANs that aren't skirting the word requirements.—spookywillowwtalk 01:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Per above re: artbook and skirting wordcount per rule on that.—spookywillowwtalk 20:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Fan26 (Talk) 20:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
  3. ACvote Lewisr (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)