Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Jurokk

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Jurokk

• Nominated by: --Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:03, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: Interesting article (Darth Vader's first Jedi kill). Thanks to Master Jonathan for the pre-nom review and the copy-edit

(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)

Support

1. Vader must have said that really fast. A snap-hiss is less than a second. NaruHina ^Talk 23:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
2. CC7567 ^(talk) 20:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
3. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 20:41, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
4. As a note: remember that you don't have to source the BTS when the info is self-sourcing. Jonjedigrandmaster ^{(We seed the stars)} 16:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
   • Is it forbidden to source it or could I source it ? Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 17:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
5. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:46, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
   • Thank you. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Object

1. Please use proper quote templates. -- 1358 ^(Talk) 18:04, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
   • I don't understand your problem. It is a proper quote template. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
     • I fixed this, Lee. Please watch out for this in the future. JangFett ^(Talk) 03:18, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
2. Can't believe someone beat me to him
   • "In 19 BBY, It was revealed that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine" Be a little bit more specific. The galaxy at large doesn't know he was a Sith.
     • Clarified.
       • Revealed to whom? The first choice would be to say "Windu," but the Jedi Order itself would be more appropriate.
         • Fixed.
           • I wrote Windu because it is accurate.
             • I didn't say it wasn't. The way it is written now, Windu should be used. NaruHina ^Talk 22:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
   • Link to Operation: Knightfall in the Intro
     • I don't see where and why
       • Jurokk was its first victim so its relevant. Do what you did in the body, move past his death a little and say Vader went inside.
         • Added.
   • Maybe a link to the 501st Legion
     • Not relevant
       • I don't mean put "501st Legion" in the text, pipelink it. And of course its relevant, they were part of the assault.
   • The P&T starts abruptly, ease into it a little more.
     • Better ?
       • Not really. Begin with something like "Jurokk, a male Jedi, became a Jedi Master..." Just take it a bit slow.
         • Better ?
           • Passable. NaruHina ^Talk 22:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
   • "Windu trusted Jurokk enough to leave the defense of the Jedi Temple in the hands of Jurokk." Double "Jurokk"
     • Fixed.
   • A little context on his Gate Keeper profession in the BTS P&T (Or somewhere else it is identified), please.
     • There is not really context on it except the word itself.
       • Well, it's the guy who watches the main gate all day. Something like that would contextify it.
         • Fixed.
           • Maybe you shouldn't mention him being a Jedi Master and Gate Master in the same sentence, break it up. NaruHina ^Talk 03:34, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
             • Fixed.
           • No change. NaruHina ^Talk 00:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
             • Eh first sentence in the bio. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 11:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
               • Definitely in need of a reword. That's a double "and" and the Gate Keeper profession is unconnected to the Gate Keeper profession as it stands. NaruHina ^Talk 22:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
                 • Fixed.
                   • The way it's written, Gate Master and that he was tasked with watching the gate are unconnected. Perhaps you should break up saying he was made a Jedi Master and appointed Gate Master into two sentences. NaruHina ^Talk 22:21, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
                     • Fixed. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 14:16, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
   • "Although skilled in the Force" The novel doesn't say he was skilled in the Force.
     • Changed to Force-sensitive which he definetely was. But he had to be skilled in the Force if he reached the rank of a Jedi Master.
       • Not neccisarily.
         • Unstricken because his "strength in the Force" does not neccisarily make him worthy of being a Jedi Master. NaruHina ^Talk 22:04, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
           • It I look at other GAs there is the same wording so I think it is correct.
             • That article doesn't say he was made a Master because he was strong in the Force. It stays appropriately vague, mentioning he had the qualifiications but not exacly what. You don't neccisarily have to be, in a probably too vague word, "powerful" to be a Master.
               • Fixed. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 14:15, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
   • In the BTS, you don't have to ref an OOU statement if the sentence has the source in it. NaruHina ^Talk 18:47, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
     • Well, but I like it so. Thanks for your review. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
   • "After the Gate Master told him that Ti was in her quarters meditating, Jurokk noticed thousands of clone troopers behind Skywalker and again demanded to know what happened to Windu, Kolar, Tiin and Fisto." Double "and."
     • Fixed.
   • "The last thing Jurokk heard was Skywalker's response that Jurokk had no idea what was going on." How do you know Jurokk heard this? He'd just had a lightsaber ignited through his skull. NaruHina ^Talk 04:05, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
     • Eh this is stated in the novel. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 17:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
       • No, Jurokk is stabbed in the head before Skywalker says that. Just because the book says that Skywalker said it doesn't mean Jurokk heard it with a hole through his brain. NaruHina ^Talk 23:56, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
         • It is clearly stated that Jurokk heard Skywalker's answer before dyin, so I don't see a point to discuss. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 10:50, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
           • I found a copy of the novel and you're right. Just quote the sentence next time. NaruHina ^Talk 23:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
3. Fett
   • " In 19 BBY, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker revealed that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was secretly the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Sidious." How is this line even relevant to him? Also, revealed to who?
     • Added and it is important.
       • Who tasked them?
         • Fixed.
           • I see no change.
             • Ah my fault. Fixed.
   • The next two sentences in the intro need clarifying. "asking what happened" Then you say, he saw troops and then he asked "asked what's wrong". Please fix this.
     • Fixed.
       • You can merge these sentences together to remove the pbp of it, Lee.
         • Merged.
   • Why do you pipe link the three Jedi Masters in the bio? If anything, the proper use of the mdash would be sufficient.
     • Fixed.
   • "Jurokk once again asked Skywalker if something was wrong and saw thousands of clone troopers behind Skywalker." "Jurokk again demanded to know what happened." You never mentioned that he asked if something was wrong previously in the bio. Also, please be careful. Specifically the second paragraph of the bio is too pbp.
     • Fixed.
       • This remains.
         • Merged some sentences.
           • "and once again asked Skywalker if something was wrong." Again, you never mentioned that he asked this to Skywalker before. Also, please check your grammar.
             • Better?
   • "The male Jurokk reached the rank of Jedi Master and was appointed Gate Master." This doesn't belong in the P&T, and rather should deserve a mentioning in the bio.
     • Well it is something about his force-sensitivity. It should be in a P&A section but there is not enough info for it.
       • This remains.
         • I hope it is now acceptable for you.
           • "Jurokk was strong enough in the Force to reach the rank of a Jedi Master and was appointed Gate Master sometime before 19 BBY" This is too poi and, unless it's mentioned in the novel or can be sourced elsewhere, you cannot say this, as it's speculation. Please reword.
             • Reworded.
   • "Windu trusted Jurokk enough to leave the defense of the Jedi Temple in the hands of the Gate Master." This is centered on Windu's poi, rather than Jurokk. You're suggesting that Windu trusted him. This isn't his P&T.
     • Fixed.
       • "Jurokk was trusted enough by Windu to leave the defense of the Jedi Temple in the hands of the Gate Master." This can be reworded. It's still saying that Windu trusted him, rather than showing that Jurokk can be trusted.
         • Better? Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 17:49, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
           • Please take a look at the changes I have made.
   • Possibly more to come, Lee. JangFett ^(Talk) 03:18, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
     • Thanks for the review. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
   • Can you mention that Windu tasked him to watch the Gate eariler in the bio?
     • Eh it is not stated in the novel that Jurokk was tasked with watching the gate. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 17:40, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
       • Then why do you say Windu tasked him specifically in the bio and intro? JangFett ^(Talk) 21:18, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
         • I see this nowhere, it is only stated that he was tasked with the defense of the temple. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 17:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
           • Intro: "Jurokk, along with fellow Master Shaak Ti, was by tasked by Windu with the defense of the Temple" Bio: " Windu chose to arrest Sidious, taking a team of three Jedi Masters—Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto—with him while he tasked Jurokk and fellow Master Shaak Ti with the defense of the Temple." Lee, which is correct? You're telling me two different things. First you say Windu tasked him, and now you say he didn't. JangFett ^(Talk) 17:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
             • He tasked him with the defense not with watching the gate. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
               • Then could you please mention this eariler in the bio. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                 • Could you please take care of this ? I'm not quite sure what you mean. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:16, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                   • I can't do it for you, Lee. As the writer, you should be able to do this yourself. But, I will show you where it needs to go. "Jurokk was a male Jedi Master tasked, as Gate Master, with monitoring the entrance to the Jedi Temple on the planet Coruscant, the capital of the Galactic Republic." JangFett ^(Talk) 18:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                     • If you mean that it should be placed here, I disagree. He was tasked with the defence after it was reveaked that Palpatine is Sidious and not before. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:24, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                       • Who tasked him? Lee, these are the sort of things that need to be clarified. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                         • Added. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:35, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                           • Jedi High Council? Lee, did Windu tasked him or not? JangFett ^(Talk) 18:38, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                             • We don't know who tasked him with the job as Gate Master. Windu tasked him with the defence after knowing from Sidious. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 18:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
                               • Lee, I'll correct this. You really need to watch out and read your work, otherwise it will be confusing to the reader. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:41, May 2, 2010 (UTC)