Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/H'nemthe

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H'nemthe

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Support

  1. Think I got everything. Chack Jadson (Talk) 11:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  2. As a fan of alien species and cultures, I found this fascinating. Roll with Topwara's hammerblows, Commander Jadson. Darth Xadún(Consult the Holocron) 10:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  3. I'm going to vote for this on the assumption that this is merely Stage 1 of the process of putting this article together. Everything is there, but it's really just summarized, and not comprehensively explained. After looking at some of these sources myself, many things could definitely be fleshed out, and I have no doubt an expansion could bring this thing to 1000 words. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  4. As Toprawa and Ralltiir said, this is good for now, but could be expanded to FA quality. —Silly Dan (talk) 00:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. Ups. I forgot to vote for this, and it's been a month •:S Here's my vote.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Toprawa, Round 1:
    • Infobox not fully sourced
      • Stupid. Fixed.
    • Your intro is painfully short
      • Expanded.
    • Section titles should match the Layout Guide.
      • I tried to fix it. If it's still not right, could you explain how?
    • Please, oh please, do not link articles to wikipedia. Take the effort and make an article for the Wook. Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
      • We've done that for other articles. It's on a topic that I don't really know anything about (read the Wikipedia article and see if you can comprehend it) and I'm not sure how to make it simpler. I'll see if I can find an FA with Wikipedia links.
        • It's been done with other articles because people are too lazy to make an article themselves. It's a poor practice that needs to stop. If you can't make an article for it, leave it as a red link. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
          • As the person who put that link in when expanding it from a stub, I'd like to point out three things: (1) At the time, we hadn't established that every real-world scientific concept which is almost exactly the same IU as in the real world needed an article, so I put a Wikipedia link in so the concept could be explained to readers who didn't understand the term; (2) I still don't think an article is necessary or even desirable for every such topic, but that's a debate for elsewhere (where most of you would probably disagree with me); (3) although the Gotal/H'nemthe situation clearly is convergent evolution, I don't know if the sources actually use those words. —Silly Dan (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
            • If these terms are not canonically used, then I think it would be best to avoid them. If so, then an explanation of the real-world equivalent in the BTS would be appropriate, where then the wiki links can be used as an OOU substitute. IU linking to OOU concepts, however, doesn't fit well. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
              • It's a minor enough detail of terminology that removing the words and the link is OK, as far as I'm concerned. Explaining convergent evolution in the BTS would strike me as a bit superfluous. —Silly Dan (talk) 22:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I removed it, on the basis that it's OR, as those terms are not actually used. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
  2. Round Two:
    • Can we link these "common names" to something? I'm assuming they're of individuals who do, or should, have articles. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Actually, they are no individuals named such that I'm aware of. These are simply common names invented by UAA. We don't link to these for other species GAs. Chack Jadson (Talk) 21:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • No quotes available? --Eyrezer 03:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

If I might suggest some quotes (all of them from Nightlily: The Lovers' Tale):

  • -"Are you truly sure, beloved? Mating is such a solemn thing, such an awe-inspiring thing..." (M'iiyoom Onith, reflecting on the importance of mating)
  • -"Nightlily, you mean... Everything. Everything to me". "Oh... Oh... Oh, Trevagg. That we should have met like this-that you should come into my life like this.." (Feltipern Trevagg and M'iiyoom Onith, talking about two different things)
  • "The word for 'love' in one language is the word for 'dinner' in others." (Ithorian proverb)
  • "After mating, H'nemthe females gut the males with those tongues of theirs-they're as sharp as sword blades, and a lot stronger than they look. Some kind of biological reaction to there being twenty H'nemthe males for every female. The males seem to think it's worth it, to achieve the act of love. I saw them together in the can-Una, but I didn't think Trevagg was crazy enough to try to bed the girl." (Wuher) "He was always bragging about being such a great hunter. You'd have thought he'd sense it coming." (Balu) "How could he? For her, it was the act of love, too." (Wuher again; possibly only the two last lines for this quote)

-Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

    • Thank you. These look good.