- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.
Grappa (Rodian)
- Nominated by: Imperialles 15:57, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Old GA of mine. Initially an attempt at a Jon (farmer)-type article, which led to some bloat. Cleaned up and removed speculation.
(1 ACs/2 Users/3 Total)
Support
- Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:37, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Sir Cavalier of One
(Squadron channel) 22:34, May 7, 2014 (UTC)- Good work. 501st dogma(talk) 17:19, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
Object
Lee's charge
In the intro you need some context for Osarian, Rhommanool and Dhaarg.Mention his CSWE entry in the BtS.- I'll take another look later. Clone Commander Lee Talk 16:02, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
- Context added, CSWE mentioned. --Imperialles 16:11, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
You mention the destruction of two ships in the intro, but in the bio I count three.- Only two ships were destroyed. The third was merely rendered inoperable. Reworded.
You should name the Jade Sabre in the intro instead speaking of the "Republic ship".- Done.
Plus, can you mention the fact that Grappa and his forces flew Z-95s? Currently, the intro suggests a much larger battle then just starfighter combat.- Reworded.
Is there a link for the skirmish?- Nope.
- Then create one! Clone Commander Lee Talk 20:13, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not a hyperinclusionist. I do not think a five-minute incident with zero confirmed deaths and no diplomatic repercussions warrants an article. We do not need an event article for every time somebody does something. --Imperialles 20:58, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Then create one! Clone Commander Lee Talk 20:13, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Nope.
There are a number of links missing among them capital, diplomat and pilot.- Added the ones you mentioned, and a few others. --Imperialles 00:02, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll take another look after these are addressed. Clone Commander Lee Talk 22:15, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
501st
"Grappa was ordered by Osarian leader Shunta Osarian Dharrg to halt the Jade Sabre..." No where in Vector Prime does the book state that Grappa was ordered by Dharrg directly, so this needs to be removed unless you can find a source other than Prime to prove it. This needs to be changed in the body and the intro.- Fixed.
- You still have mention of her ordering Grappa in the body.
- Fixed.
- You still have mention of her ordering Grappa in the body.
- Fixed.
You can add more quotes to the article. For example, "New Republic Shuttle. This is Captain Grappa of the Osarian First-Force." can be added. Additionally, you could add Mara's quote that the Rodians' were good in combat.- The second quote is never stated out loud.
- I found this: "They're good." - Mara. Not sure if you want to add this, because it relates to the entire squad of headhunters. 501st dogma(talk) 12:27, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Again, it's never stated out loud. Read the whole sentence. --Imperialles 22:10, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Page 9 on the English copy: "They're good," Mara warned, but, like Leia, she found... 501st dogma(talk) 22:17, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- "Mara warned, but, like Leia, she found her words lost in her throat…" Again, it's never stated out loud. --Imperialles 22:19, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that the words after that were lost in her throat, otherwise "They're good" wouldn't be in quotation marks. 501st dogma(talk) 22:38, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Earlier on that same page: "Leia wanted to say something to Jaina then, some words of encouragement or advice, but found her words stuck in her throat." Since Mara's sentence is said to likewise be "stuck in her throat," there is no reason to assume R.A. Salvatore changed his definition of the expression over the course of a few sentences. --Imperialles 23:09, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I've talked to some other people, and from that, I believe that "They're good" can be considered a quote, and that the part about her losing her words in her throat most likely meant that the words were not very audible to either Jaina or Leia - i.e the words being choked out. This would make the most sense of the quotation marks and the throat issue. 501st dogma(talk) 23:50, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Speculation. I will e-mail R.A. Salvatore and ask. --Imperialles 23:55, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- It might take a while for him to respond. :P 501st dogma(talk) 00:07, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I would rather have our article be correct than for it to contain speculation. --Imperialles 00:18, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
- You should remove this objection because a) there exists reasonable doubt the statement is voiced out loud, b) all the information is already paraphrased in the article, and c) if Salvatore confirms it's a spoken line I will add it to the article. Trust me. --Imperialles 08:27, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll strike my objection when the quote is in the article. If Salvatore replies and it is found that you were right, we can always remove the quote later. 501st dogma(talk) 20:07, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- I'd sooner withdraw the nomination than put the quote in the article. --Imperialles 22:01, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- It appears we're at an impasse then. :P 501st dogma(talk) 23:47, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Salvatore's reply has arrived! "Honestly, I don't know - that was a long time ago, and it may have been intentional or a copyediting change. What I typically mean with a phrase like that is that it becomes a whisper, if anything at all." With that in mind, I have added the quote to the article. --Imperialles 17:15, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
- It appears we're at an impasse then. :P 501st dogma(talk) 23:47, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- I'd sooner withdraw the nomination than put the quote in the article. --Imperialles 22:01, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll strike my objection when the quote is in the article. If Salvatore replies and it is found that you were right, we can always remove the quote later. 501st dogma(talk) 20:07, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- You should remove this objection because a) there exists reasonable doubt the statement is voiced out loud, b) all the information is already paraphrased in the article, and c) if Salvatore confirms it's a spoken line I will add it to the article. Trust me. --Imperialles 08:27, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- I would rather have our article be correct than for it to contain speculation. --Imperialles 00:18, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
- It might take a while for him to respond. :P 501st dogma(talk) 00:07, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Speculation. I will e-mail R.A. Salvatore and ask. --Imperialles 23:55, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I've talked to some other people, and from that, I believe that "They're good" can be considered a quote, and that the part about her losing her words in her throat most likely meant that the words were not very audible to either Jaina or Leia - i.e the words being choked out. This would make the most sense of the quotation marks and the throat issue. 501st dogma(talk) 23:50, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Earlier on that same page: "Leia wanted to say something to Jaina then, some words of encouragement or advice, but found her words stuck in her throat." Since Mara's sentence is said to likewise be "stuck in her throat," there is no reason to assume R.A. Salvatore changed his definition of the expression over the course of a few sentences. --Imperialles 23:09, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that the words after that were lost in her throat, otherwise "They're good" wouldn't be in quotation marks. 501st dogma(talk) 22:38, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- "Mara warned, but, like Leia, she found her words lost in her throat…" Again, it's never stated out loud. --Imperialles 22:19, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Page 9 on the English copy: "They're good," Mara warned, but, like Leia, she found... 501st dogma(talk) 22:17, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Again, it's never stated out loud. Read the whole sentence. --Imperialles 22:10, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- I found this: "They're good." - Mara. Not sure if you want to add this, because it relates to the entire squad of headhunters. 501st dogma(talk) 12:27, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
- The second quote is never stated out loud.
"Despite being supplied with outdated equipment, Grappa served the Osarian government dutifully."Once again, there is really no evidence in the book that he served dutifully - all we have his him trying to shoot down the Sabre. Try changing dutifully to something else, to prevent speculation. 501st dogma(talk) 11:28, May 8, 2014 (UTC)- Reworded. --Imperialles 22:48, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
SE
- Any applicable quote for the first paragraph of the bio?
- Can you give a bit of context regarding why Wurth Skidder was there?
- Link to the Mediator that was present? If no article exists, can you make one? Supreme Emperor (talk) 14:45, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
Winterz
- Could you try to avoid pipelinking Nom Anor, please (in the intro at least)?
- Wouldn't "Osarian government" above Osarian First-Force (in "parent" form) in the affilitations' sect of the infobox be more correct? And isn't the government considerably notable to earn its own article?
- You need to get rid of the brackets in the Bts section, sir. Winterz (talk) 00:56, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
- Link me to the applicable policy, please. --Imperialles 18:01, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Comments
- I'm still interested in any reviews. I'm sure the article has room for improvement. --Imperialles 13:17, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
- Unaddressed objections over 2 weeks old. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:18, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Winterz (talk) 20:50, July 10, 2014 (UTC)- IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 00:20, July 11, 2014 (UTC)