Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Darth Wrend

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Darth Wrend

  • Nominated by: Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:19, August 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Became a little too long for a CA during objections

(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)

Support

  1. Nice work --Lewisr (talk) 23:17, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Object

Tommy
  • I don't think the last sentence of the history is really relevant to Wrend, ironic as it is. I think it'd be best to remove it.
  • I don't think it's best to lead the history with Wrend's legendary status. It should be in chronological order, so that information should come later. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 16:38, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
  • No quotes?
    • None, unfortunately--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:46, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
      • After scouring the book even more I managed to find a quote that relates to the article on another part of the novel.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:50, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
        • Okay. That's fine, but we really expect you to finish the article's sources completely before nominating, or else you won't know if you're missing information. Please bear this in mind in future. I hope you've now finished the book? Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 17:10, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
          • That wasn't rhetorical, Vitus.. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 06:19, September 5, 2019 (UTC)
            • Just noticed this, yes I'm finished with the book.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:33, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
  • I think a nice image of Qui-Gon could fit well on the right side of the history section. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 16:40, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
Lewisr
  • Don't you think the holocron of prophecy should have a page?
    • I believe that an article could be made, yes. Though I would need more context for that article (if it has an official name, what makes it unique, etc). I would appreciate any help with that.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:07, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
      • Its explicitly called the holocron of prophecy at least 4 times. I mean if there was a holocron full of Jedi prophecies, with the same holocron appearing in at least two different eras of the book (when Qui-Gon is a Padawan, and then when Obi-Wan is a Padawan), that would be notable would it not? Do you not have the book so you can see for yourself?
        • No, I don't have the novel itself which is why I was asking around before making this nomination if there was any additional info on Wrend--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:29, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
  • Instead of saying 'during the time when Qui-Gon was the Padawan of Dooku' I'm wondering if you can be more specific. We know he became Dooku's apprentice at 12, the Shenda Mol incident happens when he is 14, therefore you can say between 68 and 66 BBY. --Lewisr (talk) 15:11, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
    • Added ref note. Let me know if the ref note is good or if additional changes/additions need to be made--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:07, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
      • How do we know it takes place 8 years before TPM? --Lewisr (talk) 14:17, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
        • Rather than asking Matt Martin, I suggest you look at Fanry and work from that --Lewisr (talk) 14:42, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
          • Alright, thanks!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:29, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
            • Currently reading the novel. I will address your objections soon!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:53, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
              • Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:15, August 30, 2019 (UTC)
                • I'm not sure how relevant the fact the book is 8 years before TPM is in that note, all you need to establish is how we can work out Qui-Gon was 12-14 between 68-66 BBY --Lewisr (talk) 18:36, August 30, 2019 (UTC)
Zed
  • Master & Apprentice doesn't specifically state that Wrend was a Sith Lord, only a Sith. Would that require a reference to explain how the title of "Darth" means Wrend was a Sith Lord?
  • I don't think the BTS needs to specify that Master & Apprentice was canon since Wrend never appeared in Legends content. Zed42 (talk) 20:56, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
    • But Wrend appeared in canon media while Legends media is still being released (although very limited and uncommonly). I don't think it hurts to have canon in the BTS here. If you still feel the same I could remove it though.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:07, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
      • If I may chime in, Zed is right. That's how we have been treating canon article BTSs lately. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:59, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
Anil
  • I think the book also says that those prophecies were made "nearly ten thousand years ago." You can also mention that in the article. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:51, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
  • Could you please rephrase that image caption? You don't need to specify that the image depicts Qui-Gon Jinn as Jedi Master. You can simply say something like "While a Padawan to Dooku, Qui-Gon Jinn believed…" TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 22:57, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
  • (Reviewing note) You should use underscores instead of spaces for file names.
  • First person pronouns should never be used in a reference note, as it's not about "us." Please revise. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:59, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't think you need to specifically say that Wrend "had the moniker of Darth." It's self-explanatory.
    • I added that to satisfy another user's objection I believe, but I also prefer removing it. Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:11, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't think the first sentence of the second Biography paragraph is relevant to this article. Just saying that the holocron was stored in the Jedi Archives somewhere in the article should suffice.
  • Are you sure that the events of the second Biography paragraph take place "several years" after the ones in the first paragraph? I believe it may be a much longer time period.
    • Ah yes, that was a poor choice of wording. Fixed to "many" if that works--Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:11, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
  • Could you please change the quote attribution to something one sentence? The prophecy is already explained in detail in the article, just give a brief description about the quote. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:11, August 31, 2019 (UTC)
  • Could you please reword the article to make it clear that the prophecy suggested the return of an evil once dead, not the return of the Sith, but most of the notes on the prophecy interpreted it as the potential reincarnation of the Sith Order. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:54, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
  • Rather than repeating the same stuff, I think you can mention Obi-Wan's opinion on the prophecy in the second paragraph of the Biography.
  • Could you make it clear that according to Qui-Gon's interpretation, the prophecy might have already come to pass. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:11, September 10, 2019 (UTC)
  • One last thing: About that chronology note, it only says that Jinn was Dooku's Padawan between 68 BBY and 66 BBY. However, the use of the reference note in the article suggests that Jinn's holocron stuff occured between those years. I think this should be reflected in the note as well. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:39, September 11, 2019 (UTC)
    • Fixed--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:36, September 12, 2019 (UTC)
      • As such, it can be deduced that Jinn was Dooku's Padawan in the years 68 BBY and 66 BBY. I'm afraid it still needs some work. The note's point should be about Jinn opening the holocron, instead of saying that he was the Padawan of Dooku between these two years. Does the novel explicitly say that the conversation about the holocron takes place when Jinn was 12–14 years old? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:56, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

With Hurricane Dorian approaching the coast of Florida, I am anticipating that I will be losing power for several days starting tomorrow, 9/2/2019. Hopefully it's not more than a couple of days. If this hurricane were to go straight it would literally hit where I live. It is the most powerful hurricane in recorded modern history. Thankfully, it looks like it's making a turn north off the coast, but I will still be affected. I will address any standing objections when I can return as soon as I can. Thank you for understanding.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:07, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

  • No worries, thanks for the heads up! Stay safe! --Lewisr (talk) 23:15, September 1, 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm back and it's all good here thankfully!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:07, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
    • Good to hear! --Lewisr (talk) 22:10, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

  1. ACvote Unaddressed objection over ten days old. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:39, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:40, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
  3. ACvote You hate to see it. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 18:46, September 22, 2019 (UTC)