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Darth Desolous conflict
- Nominated by: QuiGonJinn
(Talk) 20:50, February 24, 2011 (UTC) - Nomination comments: Taking a break from clone troopers
(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Clone Commander Lee Talk 13:08, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Nice job Jinn, can't wait for more clones. Kilson 23:44, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Interesting subject. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 21:06, March 11, 2011 (UTC)- Way to go, Jedi. 1358 (Talk) 21:34, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:54, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Object
Me again
Could you replace the smaller image of Desolous in The Conflict section with a bigger image, as the current one is a bit hard to see. This objection is optional if you don't think it's a good idea.- Sure, I've changed the pic. I just wanted to vary the images a bit, seeing as I'd already used the headshot of Desolous in the Darth Desolous's army article. But if you think the other one is better, I'm okay with that.
You should mention in the intro that an army of Jedi defeated Darth Desolous at Yaga Minor.- Addressed.
In the Bts, you say that the conflict was just mentioned in TFU's databank. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the hologram of Desolous mention, at least indirectly, the conflict during his duel.- Addressed.
- That's all I got (I would have preferred a clone trooper more though). Kilson 01:48, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Nah, I just got a bit bored writing the same type of articles. There'll be more clone troopers; I'm just going to intermix them with other stuff. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 21:41, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Nah, I just got a bit bored writing the same type of articles. There'll be more clone troopers; I'm just going to intermix them with other stuff. QuiGonJinn
Jujiggum
Please remove speculation from the infobox."allegedly by the combined powers of the Jedi Council members." This sounds speculative as well.- And that's all. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:00, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Does that really count as speculation? It's not like I made this all up or drew some far-fetched conclusion. The information is in the game, we just don't know whether Desolous is a reliable narrator or not, as SinisterSamurai has brought up here. I mean, I cannot just leave out this info, because it might be true, but I cannot state it is a fact either. By using such wording, I've tried to preserve the ambiguity. If you have any idea how to incorporate the information otherwise, I'm open to suggestions. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 06:42, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, actually, that's pretty much the exact definition of speculation. If you can't say something for sure, then you can't say it at all. The best idea in this case would be to remove the speculation and make a note of it in the BTS. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:56, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Alright, check this out. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 17:06, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, going by JJGM's example, you can say for sure that Desolous claimed it. We can be certain that the rumors are IU. "Later claims by the Desolous Training program indicated that it required an entire council to defeat him." SinisterSamurai 17:51, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Good catch. Added it as well. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 18:33, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Good catch. Added it as well. QuiGonJinn
- Well, going by JJGM's example, you can say for sure that Desolous claimed it. We can be certain that the rumors are IU. "Later claims by the Desolous Training program indicated that it required an entire council to defeat him." SinisterSamurai 17:51, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Alright, check this out. QuiGonJinn
- Yes, actually, that's pretty much the exact definition of speculation. If you can't say something for sure, then you can't say it at all. The best idea in this case would be to remove the speculation and make a note of it in the BTS. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:56, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Does that really count as speculation? It's not like I made this all up or drew some far-fetched conclusion. The information is in the game, we just don't know whether Desolous is a reliable narrator or not, as SinisterSamurai has brought up here. I mean, I cannot just leave out this info, because it might be true, but I cannot state it is a fact either. By using such wording, I've tried to preserve the ambiguity. If you have any idea how to incorporate the information otherwise, I'm open to suggestions. QuiGonJinn
Toprawa
Two things. One, is there are any specific reason why "Trial of Skill" is italicized in the Legacy section.- No, no reason at all. That's been italicized by Purpulia during his changes.
Two, can we create an article for his simulacrum?Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:46, March 11, 2011 (UTC)- I don't think we need one, actually. It's not like the simulacrum was a separate being with its own consciousness. It was just a simulation of Desolous—holographic or Force-projected—"programmed" by the Jedi to behave the way it did. That being said, all the information can and should be covered in the Darth Desolous and Jedi Trials articles. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 22:32, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, to be clear here, I'm not necessarily pushing for one, but I am trying to figure out what difference, if any, exists between this simulacrum and all of our many holocron articles. I'd appreciate if you could explain this for me here. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:44, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Holocrons are actual devices, with simulacrums as a feature. —Tommy 9281 Friday, March 11, 2011, 22:47 UTC
- Very well. Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:54, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Holocrons are actual devices, with simulacrums as a feature. —Tommy 9281 Friday, March 11, 2011, 22:47 UTC
- Ok, to be clear here, I'm not necessarily pushing for one, but I am trying to figure out what difference, if any, exists between this simulacrum and all of our many holocron articles. I'd appreciate if you could explain this for me here. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:44, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think we need one, actually. It's not like the simulacrum was a separate being with its own consciousness. It was just a simulation of Desolous—holographic or Force-projected—"programmed" by the Jedi to behave the way it did. That being said, all the information can and should be covered in the Darth Desolous and Jedi Trials articles. QuiGonJinn
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 22:54, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- See the talk page for the discussion regarding the hologram thing. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 18:39, February 27, 2011 (UTC)