Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/D'Wopp

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D'Wopp

(4 ACs/5 Users/9 Total)

Support

  1. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 21:22, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
  2. ACvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 13:14, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I need to read the cantina stories some day. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 01:21, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  4. ACvote IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:43, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I expected more deadliness from a Whiphid. Winterz (talk) 18:49, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
  6. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 23:49, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
  7. DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 22:00, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Ouch.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.")
  9. Inqvote Aaaaaaand I'm done dragging this nom out. Good job. ;) Menkooroo (talk) 01:28, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Object

Valarian iz hawt
  • The article's leading quote is an excerpt from narrative prose, which, from what I've been told, is a no-no, even in the case of first-person narrative --- actual dialogue or italicized-thinking only. If "The Band's Tale" were an in-universe document, like The New Essential Chronology, it would be OK, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
    • I'm not really sure I understand why it shouldn't count as an IU writing since the narrator is clearly IU himself. Could you explain what difference is made here? (In the mean time, I'll try and find a new quote.) --LelalMekha (talk) 07:35, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
      • After thinking about it, I think you're right --- this would be the same situation as italicized thinking in a third-person narrative. Anyway, now that you have the audio drama, why not add some .ogg audio files to all of the quotes? ;) Menkooroo (talk) 09:42, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
  • Given the precedent of various "Wedding of..." articles, it seems like there should be a [[Wedding of Valarian and D'Wopp]] article.
    • Redlink created, I'll make a stub article as soon as possible. --LelalMekha (talk) 07:35, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
      • Link it in the intro, too, baby! Menkooroo (talk) 09:42, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
  • The intro could use some context on Jabba --- simply calling him Jabba the Hutt instead of Jabba Desilijic Tiure would probably do it.
  • Han Solo and Toola both need context in the intro, too.
  • I'd like to see reference notes [2] and [3] link consistently --- for example, reference [3] doesn't link The Essential Guide to Characters, which is earlier linked in reference [2], but it does link The Essential Reader's Companion, which is also linked in reference [4]. With these kinds of reference notes, I always recommend linking either a) everything that can be linked, or b) only the things which aren't linked elsewhere in the article. If you choose option b), things like year will need to be linked too.
  • Since smuggler and pirate are two different things, you should refer to Han Solo as one or the other rather than pipelinking [[Smuggler/Legends|pirate]].
  • That he was killed by Valarian's clawed hands is exclusive to the intro --- the body doesn't say how he died.
  • "We Don't Do Weddings" was made into a full cast audio drama that expands quite a bit on the events of the short story. It should be added to the "Appearances" section and checked for potential new information on D'Wopp. I have an mp3 of it if you need it; just let me know! Menkooroo (talk) 10:56, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • Listening to it right now for fun, and there's definitely new info on this guy. Give 'er a listen! Menkooroo (talk) 11:38, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
    • Is this one taken care of? Let me know. I have a couple notes of things I found, just in case you missed anything. Menkooroo (talk) 09:04, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
      • If you have anything to say, I'd be really glad to hear it! --LelalMekha (talk) 15:00, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
        • Sorry to resurrect this GAN, but here's what I got from the Audio Drama:
          • He's called "Lord D'Wopp" several times throughout the audio drama. You have this mentioned in the leading quote, but it needs to be established in the article itself (and the intro, too; that he's a Lord is pretty important).
            • Done. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:43, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
              • "At the time, the Kubaz security guard Thwim called D'Wopp a "Lord," which indicates he was an important figure, either through marriage with Lady Valarian or on his own right." That's a very speculative and messy sentence that doesn't even belong in Behind the scenes, let alone the in-universe part of the article. Several people call him "Lord" in the audio drama; you can and should just outright say he's a Lord without speculating why. Menkooroo (talk) 15:29, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
                • Fixed. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:03, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
                  • Thanks. I moved the mention of "Lord" to the end of the paragraph, as it kind of read like he was a Lord at the time of his birth. Take a look. And check out the rest of my final copy-edit; I made some corrections to spelling, linking, and punctuation. Menkooroo (talk) 01:28, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
          • The audio drama talks about what D'Wopp and Valarian plan to do on their Honeymoon. This should be noted in the article.
          • Another one from the leading quote: "He's already been scouting the terrains out of the spaceport." This should be noted in the biography.
          • This is completely optional, but if you'd like, you can upload ogg versions of the audio drama quotes, and even include a pronunciation clip in the intro, similar to here and here.
          • I think it's worth noting in the BTS that his voice actor in the audio drama was uncredited.
          • "However, since the Bith Figrin D'an was the in-universe narrator of "The Band's Tale,"..." Isn't Doikk Na'ts the narrator?
          • And finally, a big one: Does the short story ever actually call him a "Bounty hunter," or does it just call him a "Hunter" ? I ask because the audio drama only calls him a "Hunter," and it also includes some dialogue that casts doubt on whether or not he's in fact a bounty hunter. When the bounty for Han Solo is initially offered to him, he says "A Bounty??? I am not a ---" before being interrupted. I think he might not be a bounty hunter at all, but rather just a regular hunter.
            • Yes, the short story actually calls him a bounty hunter. He even admits being one himself. ("I am addressing D'Wopp, bounty hunter of great r-repute, am I not?" I am he.") As I understood, D'Wopp wouldn't accept a bounty because he's not looking for employment at the moment—he just married a rich crime boss after all. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:43, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
  • Some additional things not related to the audio drama: There's currently an unsourced sentence in "Personality and traits."
  • The biography states that he was born during the twilight of the Galactic Republic. If this is true, then {{Top}} should include "imp," and the "Eras" field of the infobox should be updated. Menkooroo (talk) 04:53, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
    • It's best left out, I guess. Reworded. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:03, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • Article for the Duros thug? Menkooroo (talk) 15:29, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:32, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


  • Another thing I thought of was the potential parallel to Doo-wop music, since the story was about the musicians. I dunno if we'd include it though. Anyone think so? NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 21:22, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
    • I personally wouldn't mind. But if we couldn't make a case for Don-Wan Kihotay being a Don Quijote knock-off—despite obviously obvious obviousness—without being told "That's assumption", I don't think we can defend the D'Wopp/Doo-wop parallel. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:48, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
      • We couldn't make a case for that? I suspect that's because someone wanted to say "Don-Wan Kihotay's name is a reference to literature." On the CAN, we've been saying things like "Don Juan and Don Quixote are literary characters." Instead of saying that it's what the author intended, flatly stating that some similar thing exists. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 00:07, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
        • Well, in my opinion, we could make a case. But you know as much as I do how such things are frowned upon by many and considered trivia or original research, even if you don't say the likeness was intentional. That's why the similarity between Skere Kaan and Shere Khan I had first put into the Sith Lord's article didn't stay... until it was revealed to be intentional. --LelalMekha (talk) 05:45, October 3, 2012 (UTC)