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Battlecruiser 17

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  1. Minnabird Naboo (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  2. Headcanon: Battlecruiser 69 exists. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 08:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote Nice work on this Erebus. Also doing reviewing via voice chat is so much easier. Supreme Emperor Holocomm 01:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
  4. ACvote 1358 (Talk) 15:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
  5. ACvote Reviewed via Discord. Tommy-Macaroni 20:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Braha'tok 18
  • Ok so in both the intro and the article body, you say the frigate's part of a blockade over Ryloth, and then you jump to it coming into the system. I think it'd be good to specify that it was positioned elsewhere in preparation for a trap.
  • I think specifying the Resolute is Venator-class would be good.
  • There any quotes about the blockade you can use in the section history section? Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 09:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  • BtS says first mentioned, appearances says first appeared. I'm assuming the latter is correct? Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 09:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Minnabird
  • I'm very unclear on the mechanics of Battlecruiser 17's participation in the blockade and battle, both in the intro and history sections. The blockade included Battlecruiser 17, but 17 was positioned elsewhere until Blue Squadron's attack run? These two statements seem to contradict one another. Do we know whether it was in the Ryloth system or outside of it? "Amid the battle" in the intro is probably not the best way to phrase it, and "elsewhere" is vague enough as to obscure your meaning. The current writeup leaves me with questions: What do we know about the planned trap? How do we know it? (I think you're saying that them being positioned elsewhere and coming in as ordered was the trap, but the way it's phrased there's a disconnect, as if the trap is a second thing mentioned as an aside; also, does anyone actually call it a trap/say it was a planned trap?).
    • No one but Yularen calls it a trap. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 19:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
      • "Elsewhere" doesn't seem vague when you have no information on where it was in the galaxy. That part of it being elsewhere is also not all disconnected from the part about the trap, since the current wording connects it enough, in my opinion. "The frigate was positioned elsewhere in preparation for a trap," that connects rather fine to me. But I've fixed up both the intro and History.
        • Much clearer! Check these tweaks and see if you're okay with them, otherwise looks great. Minnabird Naboo (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Do we actually know that 17 is one of the ships destroyed? I'm asking as a person who can't keep track of ships in film/tv show battles, not as actual skepticism. Is there a way to know this, are the numbers of the ships just the same between the end of the Republic's first attack run and the second, or does it have identifying features? —Unsigned comment by Minnabird (talk • contribs)
    • From what I can tell, the entire blockade was destroyed by the end of the episode, and Battlecruiser 17 was one of the ships to the right of the Lucrehulk. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 19:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
      • Prior to the arrival of 17 and the others, there were only two Munificents on either side, but after they're ordered to the system from wherever they came from, the first two Munificents to enter are assumed to be Battlecruisers 17 and 19 since the screen pans to them immediately after, and then shows the other two. I could ask JMAS to get an image of all four if need be since it could be rather hard to determine whether or not the first two to enter are in fact 17 and 19. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 21:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Ecks
  • Question about ref 7. Why is the first sentence necessary at all? Is it not enough to say that SoR takes place between BSV and IoR, which are dated to 21 BBY, thus placing SoR in 21 BBY as well?
    • I actually missed this prior to the nomination. I added it when Redeemer was up, but fixed now.
  • "In 21 BBY, during the Battle of Ryloth, Battlecruiser 17 served as part of a fleet under Neimoidian Captain Mar Tuuk, as part of the Confederacy's blockade of the planet Ryloth." Several issues with this sentence: first, you mention the Ryloth conflict twice (once as a battle, second time as blockade); once is sufficient. Second, you use "served" in the previous sentence and its usage here is repetitive. Finally, you also use "as part of" twice in close succession.
    • Is that better wording?
  • "Prior to the arrival of Galactic Republic forces, the frigate was positioned elsewhere in preparation for a trap organized by Tuuk." This sentence makes it sound as if the Republic forces were just scheduled to arrive. Maybe something like "In anticipation of a Republic attempt to break the blockade, the frigate was [...]"
    • Reworded.
  • "Later in 21 BBY,[7] the Confederacy's blockade was challenged by a Republic fleet commanded by Jedi General Anakin Skywalker." Is this meant to be "Later, in 21 BBY,..."? The events you describe in the previous paragraph are dated to 22 BBY, not to earlier in 21 BBY.
    • Yeah, that's what I meant for it to be. Fixed.
  • You should probably establish in the second History paragraph that the fleet consisted of Venators.
    • Included.
  • At the conclusion of History, you could probably mention that the success of the second attack paved way for a Republic invasion of Ryloth. 1358 (Talk) 15:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
    • How's that? Erebus Chronus (Talk) 16:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
      • I think that's a bit excessive, to be honest. The commanders of the invasion fleet aren't really relevant to this battlecruiser. One sentence is sufficient; you don't even need to include the final result of the Battle of Ryloth. 1358 (Talk) 17:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
        • I disagree with this since it was the same case for Redeemer.
  • Ahsoka commanding the squadron in the second attack is intro-exclusive.
    • Are you asking me to remove that part?
      • It's fine now.
  • You don't mention Battlecruiser 17 at all in the third bio paragraph. To solve this, you could probably mention that Battlecruiser 17 and the other ships remained in the system after the initial attack (rather than returning to ambush position). 1358 (Talk) 17:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
  • The second bio quote really seems like it belongs in the first section. Could you instead use the quote of the droid commanders in disarray, that you refer to in the prose? 1358 (Talk) 20:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Is that quote sufficient enough? I could use the one where Tambor says that the blockade has been broken if that would be better. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 16:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
      • The one you have right now is good imo.
  • One last thing: the fact that Battlecruiser is a call sign (and the link to that article) is currently technically intro-exclusive. 1358 (Talk) 09:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Editor
  • Article needs to note Ahsoka used a Marg Sabl, cite the name to Thrawn Alliances
  • If you are saying this battle cruiser was involved in Ahsoka's Marg Sabl, you can note it had an OOM command battle droid as a captain, given we see holograms of the frigate droid captains in the "what should we do?" sceneEditoronthewiki (talk) 15:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Both done. Didn't know if I should put the OOM commander in the crew or commanders field of the infobox. Erebus Chronus (Talk) 16:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)