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Abo Dreth
(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
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Cavalier One
(Squadron channel) 17:57, October 15, 2012 (UTC)- Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 21:13, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 02:26, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Looks good. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)- Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 00:24, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
Object
Cav
Intro - the mention of it escaping the YV war after mentioning its affiliations seems to place the war after the rise of Krayt's empire, which is not the case. Possibly a simple applications of qualifying dates is needed?- Done.
A "Description" section is needed. The first paragraph of the "History" should be easy enough to split off into this.- Done.
Rather than call them "prisoner" and "assassin", tell us who the people are in full.- Done.
Why did Prex want to kill Fiolla?- Added.
"her own boss Prex." - my understanding is that "Prex" is a title, not a name. This should be checked and rectified as necessary. Saying "boss Prex" if Prex is a title in incorrect.- Corrected.
I noticed that your reffing formatting was out: Take a look at this revision to see how it should have been done. I think I got them all, but double-check and be mindful of this for future nominations.- Actually I never do it like that. Someone else used it and since it worked all the same, I thought there wasn't any need to change it.
A caption for the main image to explain the relevance of the picture may be needed. Upon my initial look, I briefly thought this was a character article.- Cavalier One(Squadron channel) 14:07, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Done though it's big. For a smaller caption I can always be less subjective and write something like "It's a trap!". Winterz (talk) 12:55, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Then I would think this was Ackbar's article ;) - Cavalier One(Squadron channel) 17:57, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Then I would think this was Ackbar's article ;) - Cavalier One
- Done though it's big. For a smaller caption I can always be less subjective and write something like "It's a trap!". Winterz (talk) 12:55, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
CC-8
In the intro put the full title of the Galactic Empire. When it just says Empire it seems a bit vagueAlso in the intro give some context for Zsinj, just saying he's a warlord would do.- That's it. Commander Code-8 To say hi, press 42 05:10, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Toprawa
As with Aaghra, I request confirmation of this subject's appearance in the Atlas.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:56, December 15, 2012 (UTC)- Page 167 in bold. Winterz (talk) 19:56, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:46, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Page 167 in bold. Winterz (talk) 19:56, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
Before diving in, the first thing I notice that sticks out like a sore thumb is that image caption in the infobox. It's usually good practice to try and reserve infobox image captions for instances in which there is a critical concern that a reader might be confused at what they're looking at and will need clarification. In this case, since we're dealing simply with a planet, I think the purpose of the image is pretty straightforward and doesn't need any further clarification on our part. I would recommend just removing that.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:46, December 18, 2012 (UTC)- Well I'm not sure about that. I added it to address Cav's objection and I like to believe that the caption brightens things up. For instance, one comes for the planet's article and sees an image with two individuals instead, wouldn't that be confusing? A caption surely can't harm, can it? :s Winterz (talk) 23:50, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Also before you dive in with these objections, know that I'm currently (which means I'll do it tomorrow ^^) fixing the CSWE refs with the respective template and correcting the factions' territory part, as I need to re-check the wording. Winterz (talk) 23:59, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'd still prefer to avoid the image caption if at all possible, since I find it very unnecessary. The article clearly states that Abo Dreth is a planet. Once you have that basic understanding, I don't believe it's possible to misinterpret the image. Nevertheless, I'll try to catch Cav and discuss this with him and hopefully work something out. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:08, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
- So, you already discussed it? Winterz (talk) 17:02, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
- I have not. There is an AC meeting this afternoon, so I hope to catch him on IRC then. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:43, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, we agreed to try and shorten the caption a bit, at least. Would you be ok changing it to "Abo Dreth's surface (background)"? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:00, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
- I have not. There is an AC meeting this afternoon, so I hope to catch him on IRC then. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:43, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
- So, you already discussed it? Winterz (talk) 17:02, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'd still prefer to avoid the image caption if at all possible, since I find it very unnecessary. The article clearly states that Abo Dreth is a planet. Once you have that basic understanding, I don't believe it's possible to misinterpret the image. Nevertheless, I'll try to catch Cav and discuss this with him and hopefully work something out. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:08, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Just a reviewing note: we try to avoid linking to disambiguation pages in just about all instances, so I've removed the article's links to "lake" and "river." But you are perfectly welcome to turn those two pages into proper articles and still keep the links if you prefer.
This description of "the assassin" comes off as a bit confusing, considering no individual within the article is ever introduced as being an assassin, so it's not perfectly evident to whom this is intending to refer. If it's referring to Meplin, it would probably be easier to just use his name instead of "assassin": "The ensuing confrontation resulted in the deaths of both the assassin..."If it's at all possible to tell, it would be best to provide specific dates for when the planet fell under Zsinj's and then Thrawn's control: "After the Empire's fragmentation, the planet fell under the control of the most powerful of the Imperial warlords, Zsinj, breaking away from the Corporate Sector before Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn eventually moved in and conquered it a few years later."The article includes many affiliation categories never mentioned in the article, or only mentioned in certain places. For example, the Confederation, the Galactic Empire, and the New Republic are not listed in its affiliation fields in the infobox, which should be comprehensive. The New Republic, additionally, is never mentioned within the article itself. If its NR affiliation is legit, this should be mentioned somewhere.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:13, December 29, 2012 (UTC)- All objections above, addressed. Winterz (talk) 23:10, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
- I think in addressing the last objection you may have removed several legitimate categories and affiliations from the infobox. The article claims that Abo Dreth was part of Thrawn's confederation, supported the Galactic Alliance, was part of the Confederacy, and was also part of Krayt's Empire, yet you've removed all of these categories and their inclusion in the infobox. Should they not all be listed? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Na, the article claims Trawn's Confederation conquered the Corporate Sector (I'll correct that), which Abo Dreth was part of. The only "direct" affilitations we have is the Republic, Zsinj's Empire and the CSA. The rest of the factions controlled the territory where Abo Dreth's grid location fell in, however, the planet itself is never specified in those (Atlas) maps. I'll tweak the wording a bit as I notice that it's confusing right now. Winterz (talk) 13:16, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Gotcha. This is much better. I made one minor rewording revision to say that Abo Dreth rejoined "Galactic Alliance space," instead of just "Galactic Alliance," since that too makes it sound like it was formally part of the GA. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Na, the article claims Trawn's Confederation conquered the Corporate Sector (I'll correct that), which Abo Dreth was part of. The only "direct" affilitations we have is the Republic, Zsinj's Empire and the CSA. The rest of the factions controlled the territory where Abo Dreth's grid location fell in, however, the planet itself is never specified in those (Atlas) maps. I'll tweak the wording a bit as I notice that it's confusing right now. Winterz (talk) 13:16, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
- I think in addressing the last objection you may have removed several legitimate categories and affiliations from the infobox. The article claims that Abo Dreth was part of Thrawn's confederation, supported the Galactic Alliance, was part of the Confederacy, and was also part of Krayt's Empire, yet you've removed all of these categories and their inclusion in the infobox. Should they not all be listed? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
- All objections above, addressed. Winterz (talk) 23:10, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 02:03, January 5, 2013 (UTC)