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Aang
- Nominated by: CC7567 (talk) 23:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Bald, short, and wears red? He must be the Last Airbender!
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Kilson(Let's have a chat) 01:31, June 26, 2011 (UTC)- Clone Commander Lee Talk 17:43, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Do Edcel Bar Gane next! You know you wanna. Menkooroo 01:36, June 30, 2011 (UTC)- Oh, CC. You so cuhraaaaazy. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:35, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
1358 (Talk) 07:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
Object
Aang
"By the time of the Clone Wars, Aang held the deciding vote on the committee.[1]" Can one hold a generic "deciding vote" not in relation to anything? Doesn't a deciding vote have to actually be part of a vote on something specific? The episode guide states that Padmé is trying to persuade his vote on what will happen later in Senate Murders, and the episode sees her state that he is the deciding vote --- I think that the article could connect those dots and explicitly say that he was the deciding vote on the reduced military spending bill without speculating.Menkooroo 12:28, June 27, 2011 (UTC)- I understand what you're saying, but in this case, I believe Amidala is stating that Aang simply has the deciding vote on the committee—because of his influence on the committee, the committee will vote the way he votes. It's kinda like how there are nine justices on the US Supreme Court: in case of a tie, there's always one person more to cast the vote that "decides" the outcome. I know that the Supreme Court isn't really the same, since a single person isn't designated to have the deciding vote like Aang apparently (informally) was, but that's the interpretation I went by. It doesn't sound like Aang could have been the deciding vote on Amidala's bill anyway because even though he supported it, it didn't pass in "Senate Murders," so we can only go by what's stated in "Evil Plans." Does that make sense? CC7567 (talk) 20:14, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, that makes sense. Could it be reworded, though? "The deciding vote" brings to mind a specific issue; even though Evil Plans uses that exact wording, I feel like a little creativity could do the trick to make it clearer without venturing into speculation (even just something like "His vote on the committee was considered decisive...?"). Menkooroo 07:40, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I understand what you're saying, but in this case, I believe Amidala is stating that Aang simply has the deciding vote on the committee—because of his influence on the committee, the committee will vote the way he votes. It's kinda like how there are nine justices on the US Supreme Court: in case of a tie, there's always one person more to cast the vote that "decides" the outcome. I know that the Supreme Court isn't really the same, since a single person isn't designated to have the deciding vote like Aang apparently (informally) was, but that's the interpretation I went by. It doesn't sound like Aang could have been the deciding vote on Amidala's bill anyway because even though he supported it, it didn't pass in "Senate Murders," so we can only go by what's stated in "Evil Plans." Does that make sense? CC7567 (talk) 20:14, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Question
"Aang attended the event alongside Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and fellow Senators Jakker-Sun, Kin Robb, Bail Prestor Organa, Mon Mothma, and Dantum Roohd." I'm not entirely sure whether "senators" should be capitalized here or not. The MOS tells to capitalize if the title is referring to a person. However, here are many persons. What's your take?1358 (Talk) 22:42, June 30, 2011 (UTC)This should be de-capped, given that its referring to multiple people in the senator position, and not Senator So-and-so, like the title.Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 22:50, June 30, 2011 (UTC)- Well, the thing is that even when we refer to multiple senators, we still say "Senators Organa, Mothma, Amidala," etc. I just treated this as an extension of that by adding "fellow." If it had read "Aang was joined by several of his fellow senators, including Jakker Sun, Kin Robb," etc., it would be different, but I don't believe that's the case here. That make sense? CC7567 (talk) 23:08, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that the "fellow" turns senators into a noun, which should not be capitalized. If you remove the fellow, then it is a title that becomes a capitalized proper noun.Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 23:29, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, the thing is that even when we refer to multiple senators, we still say "Senators Organa, Mothma, Amidala," etc. I just treated this as an extension of that by adding "fellow." If it had read "Aang was joined by several of his fellow senators, including Jakker Sun, Kin Robb," etc., it would be different, but I don't believe that's the case here. That make sense? CC7567 (talk) 23:08, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 23:29, July 1, 2011 (UTC)