Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Xamuel Lennox

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Xamuel Lennox

(5 Inqs/1 User/6 Total)

Support

  1. I'm in a productive mood. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Good. My first Inq of the day. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Graestan(Talk) 21:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Interesting stuff! Thefourdotelipsis 04:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 22:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Dear Summar:
    • Calling the Republic and Empire "bad" is POV: "and knew that the Galactic Republic before it was every bit as bad as the Empire"
      • Addressed.
    • I oppose the validity of this. This suggests that the Empire was losing the war, when this is not the case at all. Strongly suggest removing and replacing with something else. "...and kept the Rebels on the run" or something: "and helped them turn the tide in the Galactic Civil War."
      • Changed.
    • Unfortunately, I believe your entire "Battle of Endor" section will have to go. Unless I'm mistaken and missed it somewhere, BTM does not state in any capacity that the Tyrant, with Lennox in command, ever participated at Endor. My sincere apologies if this leaves you below the 1000 word limit. :(
      • I suspected as much, though the Tyrant article claims he did and cites BtM, which is why I added it in the first place. I'll ask Culator to check the game files if he is able, just to be 100% sure. If he wasn't at Endor, I'll cull that section. I should just scrape 1000 words without it, though. :-)
        • I added the information to the Tyrant article a while ago. You can find it on disc 2 of BtM. Go to "Scene by Scene" => Return of the Jedi => Page 49, Image 1. ;) --Borsk Fey'lya Talk 12:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Your BTS is problematic:
      • I'm not sure where this is coming from, but you'll need to source this Piett confusion. Can we say who/what, specifically, attributes the line to Piett?: "There was initially some confusion among fans about Lennox's only line in the film, which is often erroneously attributed to Firmus Piett"
        • This is all from the Who's Who article; it confused me a little bit, but it seemed important enough to add.
      • I'm not exactly sure what you're implying here. It seems that since his face is not fully visible, it may be Piett? I'm looking at the movie right now and he turns his head enough to clearly distinguish him, I feel. The article's image shows this as well. Please source this along with the previous objection: "although Lennox's face is not fully visible when he speaks, his voice is much different to Piett's."
        • Again, this comes from Who's Who.
        • Unless you're sourcing this to Who's Who, with that article stating all of this confusion, my bad. Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
      • This is entirely incorrect. Perhaps the Who's Who article does say this, but I'm also looking at the novelization right now, pg. 48, and the officer of this line and scene is identified as Needa aboard the Avenger, not Piett: "Part of the confusion was due to the fact that Donald F. Glut's movie novelization assigned the line to Piett."
        • Yeah, the Who's Who article stated this, also. I've changed "Piett" to "another Imperial," which while not incorrect doesn't invalidate the info in the Who's Who article. Please let me know if you'd like it done differently. Per 4dot's advice in IRC, I've stated outright that it's Needa.
      • This reads as though X-wing identified him by name in 1993, when they did not: "Lennox went unmentioned and unnamed until 1993, when Star Wars: X-Wing was released."
      • Addressed.
    • It kind of seems like you're missing some BTM information: "Lennox, who is totally dedicated to his starship and its crew, despises the political maneuvering common among Imperial officers." Please specify that he is "totally dedicated to his starship and his crew" in the P&T and possibly the bio if appropriate.
      • Added.
    • Also, I would strongly recommend speaking to Muuurgh about possible information from the radio drama and the RD's script. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
    • This isn't necessarily the case. The Death Star's explosion didn't kill the Emperor or Vader: "the Rebels were able to destroy the Death Star, killing Vader and Galactic Emperor Palpatine."
    • Could you try and break up your BTS into two smaller paragraphs? Up to you how you want to divide the information. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. From the squalid cubicle of Graestan:
    • "means by which he had to resort to in order to" – This reads somewhat cumbersome; please reword.
      • Reworded.
    • I believe it was the system, and not the planet, that Ozzel brought the fleet out of lightspeed too close to.
      • Changed.
        • Actually, Toprawa—who is something of an ESB expert—has confirmed what I suspected: they were already in the system, and for some unfathomable reason many sources refer to single planets as systems. I've changed it back, because to me it makes much more sense like this, but please let me know if you still want it changed.
    • The first two sentences of "Battle of Endor" seem out of place, and the first is written in the pluperfect for no apparent reason. Please revisit these.
      • Any better?
    • I'm not a big fan of stating outright that the Empire "had actual legitimacy," because it tends to stray away from the very theme of the original movies, which was reinforced by Palpatine's masterful coup in the prequels.
      • I've reworded it a bit to reflect that it was Lennox's own thoughts. Please advise if it's still bugging you.
    • Graestan(Talk) 02:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. From the desk of Atarumaster88
    • I know this has been hashed out some already, but the BTS about the novelization is confusing. Who's line is it anyway?
      • It's confusing because it's, well, confusing. I don't really know how to clarify it, though I'm open to suggestion. It definitely merits inclusion, IMO. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: I despise the use of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but I can't justify cutting it completely or making a huge stink about it.
      • I'm not a huge fan of it, but it's the phrase used in the Insider article and I'm not sure how best to reword it. Suggestions are welcome. :-)
        • Meh, I support using original or similar terms as source, so I'll let it slide . . . this once.
    • Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 13:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • I'll be making up for all these short noms with some considerably longer ones in the Summer. :-) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I sent an email to Abel Pena asking him about Lennox, and he's sent an interesting reply with a bit of info about the first name. How should I source it? Should I upload a screenshot of the email and link to it in the BtS or should I upload the text of it elsewhere and link to it? -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)