Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/X1 (second nomination)

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X1

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. Seeing as I rewrote most the article, I would be very happy to see this article get the purple star. Good work!--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 22:05, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Now that it has an Equipment section. — Fiolli; 01:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Well-done. Menkooroo 14:37, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Since this vote has some effect after all. Kreivi Wolter 17:43, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:07, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote The switching back and forth between versions hurts my brain, but I can't argue with it. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 21:08, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 12:23, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Images
  • I know that I've discussed this with you before, but the wide-stretched image of X1 as a Sith Lord does not fit at all. I would recommend this image instead, or maybe you can crop the current image to make it portrait-shaped. Also, I personally prefer this image for the Powers and Abilities section. Again, this has been brought up by the past, including by you when I nommed this article, but it should be fixed.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 01:14, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry to interject, but feel that I must respectfully, but strongly, disagree about the infobox image. I think it is fine as is, seeing as it is the most recent image of best quality that we have. Perhaps there is a slight space that could be cropped from the right side to balance it out, but I would not crop much, if any. Also, I'm not sure the other image is worth jamming in there. Should an equipment section be made, then the lightsaber is moved and space is made adequately. Otherwise, I'm not sold on it. — Fiolli 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
      • Sorry to butt in as well, but I agree with Fiolli. The image you're suggesting barely shows his face, which the current image does pretty well, and the quality is pretty poor. I'd prefer a larger version of the current image, but if that's all that's available, so be it. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 05:07, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
        • I would suggest cropping the current main image so that it fits the infobox more squarely than rectangularly. That may satisfy both parties here. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 06:10, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
          • During the first nomination, I brought up this issue because the infobox image was an image of him as a clone trooper, which was misleading, since X1 ceased to be a clone trooper by the time of his death, and his appearance also changed. The current picture is fine. It is of sufficient quality and clearly shows the subject of the article at the time of his latest appearance, therefore meeting FAN requirements. Honestly, I don't see the point of cropping it. If I crop it only slightly, there won't be much difference, so why bother. If I crop it to show just X1's face, it will be too small for the infobox and will require me using the imageBG option, which I try to avoid. Basically, I feel that the objection is based on the fact that one person just doesn't like the current picture, but this is not a valid reason to object. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
            • I cropped the width to exactly 250px and here's how it looks. Compared to the current cropping, I think the difference is pretty substantial. Tell me what you think. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 22:42, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Perhaps for the Powers and abilities section, a image of X1 fighting, would work better than the one of his lightsaber. This one is particularly nice, and so is this one. They're wide, which works well since it's a rather short section.
    • No, I like the lightsaber better. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 19:03, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
      • But this article is about a character, not a lightsaber. Don't you think it would fit better for that reason?--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 20:14, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
        • No, I don't think so. And I'm aware that this article is about a character, thank you. That's why there are many other images of X1 in other sections of the article, and only one image of his lightsaber. ID, are you seriously going to debate over every single quote and image I chose for the article? Because this is getting really out of hand. No offense, but you had your chance to nominate X1 the way you wanted, now please let me do it my way. Next time, find a more solid reason to object, other than, "I think X is cooler that Y, so please change it." Thank you. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
Quote
  • Sorry to bother you again, but I think the main quote should be shortened to just "As my brother, it was my sworn duty to stop him." The rest doesn't fit in as the main quote.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 01:16, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry to interject here as well, but I disagree about making shorter the quote. I think it is fine as is, seeing as it is encapsulates his fall to the dark side and his role as a Sith. It is valuable, in my opinion. I would encourage it to be left as is. — Fiolli 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
      • Per Fiolli. The main quote should describe the article's subject and, if possible, provide some insight into his personality. "As his brother, it was my sworn duty to stop him." is just too vague and nondescript. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

*In the "Sith Lord" section, the narrative quote by X2 is dull, this one by X1 is far better:

"Enough is enough! The battle lines are drawn…it is time for the final conflict!"
―X1[src]
--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 02:52, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
  • Fine, I've changed it. Not because the original quote was "dull," but because it's already used in X2's article, and a little variety is always good. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:46, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
X1358
  • "X1 was a Force-sensitive clone trooper created by the Kaminoans, who served the Galactic Republic, and later, the Galactic Empire." It currently sounds like the Kaminoans were serving the Republic and the Empire. If that is what you are trying to say, the context on the Kaminoans is excessive. If you are trying to say X1 served them, please reword.
    • Reworded.
  • "…and operated from the late Darth Vader's fortress on Vjun." This sounds strange; should the "late" be betwee Darth Vader and fortress instead?
    • It was relevant to the Darth Vader part, actually. I've reworded it a bit to make it clearer.
  • "Corrupted by power, X1 began to have dreams of galactic domination, hoping to achieve this by creating his personal clone army, and he began performing cloning experiments on the planet Dathomir and on the fiery world of Mustafar." This is rather a run-on sentence. Can you please split it? (and perhaps merge the latter part with the next sentence?)
    • Done and done.
  • In "Creation", it seems a bit incorrect to call the normal clones X1's and X2's "brothers", as they were made of different DNA. Can you please find another term?
    • That's a tough one. The entire premise of the game is built around them being brothers, so I'd like to indicate that. Maybe quotation marks should do the trick?
      • Yeah, that would probably be good. 1358 (Talk) 14:50, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
        • Check this now. Is it OK, or do you want me to do the same with the rest of the article? QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 10:02, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
          • Looks cool; will object if I feel just brother is bad. :P
  • That's everything through "creation;" more later. 1358 (Talk) 13:34, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • Awaiting eagerly for the rest. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 13:57, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
        • Will give full review once you've handled Menk's objections. 1358 (Talk) 20:11, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Ecks too
  • Any reason why the Battle of Tatooine is consistently called the Battle "on" Tatooine? "of" seems to be the canonical name.
    • Wow, I don't remember why I used "on." Addressed.
  • In Taking separate paths: Even though it links to Telekinesis, "blasted off" is kind of confusing wording, as it usually refers to a ship taking off. Can you use a different term?
    • Addressed.
  • Some of the Equipment section reads nearly identically to parts of Powers and abilities (namely, the stuff about his guns & grenades and the bit about the various starfighters). Can you vary it? As a suggestion, it might not be necessary to list the different kinds of starfighters in P & A --- might be OK just to say there that he was a good pilot.
    • Addressed, I think.
  • This is admittedly nitpicky, but the opening of the second paragraph of Contradictions in the bts seems a bit too casual. Can you make the wording a bit more... encyclopedic?
    • Changed.
  • That's all! The game itself offends canon, but this article is just dandy. Menkooroo 07:58, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks. It's actually not as bad as it seems compared to other canon-destroying projects out there :P QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:56, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
      • Haha, too true. I don't even know what's happening half the time in that show anymore. Did I watch some episode with Darth Maul last month? Man, what a trip. Menkooroo 14:37, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Sourcing time
  • At least the beginning of the Clone Wars section has to be sourced better, as the year 22 BBY is not mentioned in Episode II. Also, I do not own the game, so I ask: does the game version make a use of those dates by their proper names (like his birthday in the infobox), or should they be resourced as well? Kreivi Wolter 20:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
    • Addressed. Everything sourced to the Nintendo DS version should be fine, as it does in fact state the dates. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:32, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
      • Good, good. That's all then. I would give this my vote, but I dont usually vote for FAs, as it doesn't have any effect at all. Kreivi Wolter 16:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
        • As a matter of fact, it has. Read item 6 in the "How to vote section" at the top of the FAN page. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 16:41, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Toprawa
  • If this Battle of Tatooine is conjecturally named, this article should avoid referring to it in a formal sense. Namely, in the "Clone Wars" subsection quote attribution line.
  • And here: "In the end, the Republic won the Battle of Tatooine."
  • And here in the BTS: "The Battle of Tatooine, for example"
    • The name's not conjectural. It is called the Battle of Tatooine in the game.
  • Would it be worth at least leaving a redlink for this village? "X1 ordered the troopers under his command to enter the planetary atmosphere and destroy the village"
    • Redlinked.
  • I'm guessing lightsaber duel can and should be linked somewhere in the article, though I am unclear exactly which duel mentioned therein qualified as exactly that, so I'll leave the linking up to you. Please find an appropriate first mention.
    • Done.
  • I'm somewhat unclear what the article is intended to reference here by "Imperial Guards." That title actually takes one to the "Coruscant Guard" article, which I don't think is accurate. Can we use more precise terminology here? "backed by more Imperial Guards."
    • Clarified.
  • I feel like something is lacking from the BTS "Contradictions" subsection. The section does a great job of detailing all the differences between versions and specifying which version is used in the article, but it doesn't really explain why the article picks and chooses different versions of the game throughout. That, I think, needs to be spelled out very clearly, because otherwise the article's version choices seem rather arbitrary. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
    • Hopefully addressed. I understand that the current choice of versions in the article is rather subjective, but we have to choose something, and each version has as much canonical value as the other one. I hope my note clarifies this. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 19:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
      • What you have added is good, but I still feel like it needs something. Possibly adding something to the end of this sentence might help. Maybe something to the effect of "...the article approaches each inconsistency on a case-by-case basis to create a coherent storyline, choosing the version that best fits according to...etc. etc.." Just so the reader is aware what your system was exactly for choosing one version over another: "In the latter cases, as there has not been any official word on which version is more canonical, the article approaches each inconsistency on a case-by-case basis to create a coherent storyline." Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:24, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 12:23, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


  • It appears that there is enough information for an equipment section. Could this be added in there? I think it might be beneficial. A mention of his holocron would be necessary there and downplayed in the P&A. — Fiolli 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
    • I've given it a try. I don't like it very much this way, though, as the image of the lightsaber needs to be shrunk to 150px in this case; otherwise, it messes with the Bts header. However, if you feel that's fine, I don't particularly mind such a change. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
      • I agree with Qui-Gon: having too many small sections causes the images to mess up the titles. I doubt there's much to put in such a section that hasn't already been covered in the PaA section.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 01:37, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
        • I reworked it to include the section based off of what QGJ had done before. The image is fine, and frankly I'm not swayed by the argument of "image placement" for this when it is fine for many of the largest resolutions (where this would be a problem). — Fiolli; 01:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)