Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Unidentified Mon Calamari cruiser (Geist)

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Unidentified Mon Calamari cruiser (Geist)

  • Nominated by: --Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:
  • Date Archived: 03:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Final word count: 1584 words (151 introduction, 1220 body, 213 behind the scenes)
  • Word count at nomination time: 1622 words (163 introduction, 1192 body, 267 behind the scenes)
  • WookieeProject (optional):

(1 Inqs/0 Users/1 Total)

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Support

  1. Inqvote OOM 224 (he/him) 21:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Object

Lew
  • The intro could use a date, we know both the Mon Cala and Mako-Ta events take place in 1 ABY per Timelines Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • The same date can be applied in the body, Jedha is also in 1 ABY per Timelines, so you can remove the 0 ABY mention Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Please can you remove the gender pipelink onto the he pronoun for Lee-Char Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Can the first usage of pronouns be cited to the sources currently cited? I know for example Hera's cannot be to issue 50 Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Is the 'commander of Sector Command' necessary to be included? Referring to Jan as a general is enough context already Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Context for Shu-Torun and Luke Skywalker needed Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Linked Kingdom of Shu-Torun instead of Shu-Torun --Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Since you need it for the intro also, I think it's worth readding the planet Shu-Torun (it would also help with the kingdom). Luke's will need citing to a source since the issue doesn't call him a Jedi, plus he becomes a commander after the battle:P Lewisr (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Context in the BTS for Leland Chee Lewisr (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
  • There's some repitive info in the first and second paragraphs of 'Escape from Death Squadron' Lewisr (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Star Wars 48 needs a full release date in the BTS, to Marvel.com is fine Lewisr (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Braha
  • I'm a bit iffy on the reasoning "as being similar in size to both models of MC80s" for approximating the length of the vessel. There's multiple factors in this like perspective etc. and I don't think the reasoning you give really justifies the estimation here unless you want to say "around 1200-1500" and/or "c. 1200-1500". Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 21:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
    • It looks like this was fixed. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Looking at some scales in the issues mentioned on that note, I don't think we should be trying to make deductions on the length with datenotes, there's different perspective levels and some cruisers next to each other aren't even the same length. I feel like it's better to just remove the length stuff. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 10:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
        • The art has been pretty consistent with the sizes save for the panel noted in the Behind the Scenes section and some wonky art in Star Wars 49. Star Wars 50 and onwards is pretty consistent so I disagree in removing the estimated length. If you insist, I'll remove it. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
          • As much as I'd love for us to be able to have as much info about ship-classes as possible, I think it's safer to wait for more explicit info in this case. Sorry for nuking your big ref-note. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 17:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
OOM
  • (Review note) my edit. I realised croiseur sounded rather French, so I hope you don't mind me adding a note on the translation, haha!
  • Just a few small things, in addition to my comment at the bottom:
    • The Mon Calamari monarchy and Mercantile Fleet seem to be infobox/intro-exclusive.
      • Mercantile Fleet is the same as the Imperial Trade Fleet, but I added the monarchy in the first history section --Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
    • There's plenty of space for the images to be enlarged.
    • I think it's worth specifying the makeup of the Mon Cala blockade. Even saying "multiple Star Destroyers" or whatever was there would be good.
    • The image caption "Lajaie's cruiser evacuates" doesn't seem to match the picture on first sight; I didn't see the dots that I assume represent the escape pods. It might be worth mentioning the escape pods explicitly.
    • "When General Jan Dodonna, was ready" — not clear as to what he was ready for.
    • Is there a reason why Hera isn't explicitly mentioned as the Geist's commander in the first instance?
    • I think it's worth mentioning that the Executor was "Vader's Super Star Destroyer" rather than just "Vader's flagship" instead.
    • Context needed for the Millennium Falcon, sorry :P
    • A bit of inconsistency between just "Mako-Ta Space Docks" vs. "the Mako-Ta Space Docks" OOM 224 (he/him) 22:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
spookly
  • Not really seeing the need for BtS sectioning since 3 paragraohs is fine to be as one.—spookywillowwtalk 22:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I question the addition of the fan design BtS addition under the WP:ATT original research clause (synthesis) if its only us drawing our own conclusions/implying they might've taken the design. Do any Star Wars creators ever confirm/deny/acknowledge the similarities?
    • I guess I could publicly ask Salvador Larroca if he traced the fan-made designs. I think it would be a disservice to the article to not include the details regarding the tracing of the design. Larroca has a history of this. Even the MC80 Liberty Type Heavy Star Cruisers are fan-made designs. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
      • I understand he's done it before (so have many artists, including Harvey Tolibao by accident) and certainly have personal opinions on his artwork in general. That said, we don't have proof of him tracing the design unless a Star Wars contributor says so, under the definition of what 'original research' is on site, as that'd fall directly under "introduces an analysis or synthesis of published facts, opinions, or arguments without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reliable source who has published the material in relation to the topic of the article." of us deciding that happened unilaterally without any sort of verification.—spookywillowwtalk 23:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
        • That's really unfortunate, I really do think that this article, and the others, need to have this information in the BTS sections so that it's fully detailed, but if those are the rules then I'll remove the information from this article and the other cruiser articles. Unfortunately, I will also not be taking this nomination any further and will not nominate the other related cruiser articles in the future. Please close this nomination when able to, thank you. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
  • May be a bit clunky but precedent is to more or less give dating for any media mentioned in BtS, which means the dates for the 49th and 50th issues are needed.
  • Is there anything suitable for a main/top quote, even if it means taking one from a lower section?—spookywillowwtalk 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
    • I moved the quote from Shu-Torun system to intro. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Comments

  • I will be on vacation and unable to access Wookieepedia from November 11th to November 26th/27th, but will be able address any objections when I return. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
  • This is pretty minor so I won't make this an actual objection: there is a slight white bar at the top of the first image that should ideally be cropped out. OOM 224 (he/him) 22:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Thank you to all who reviewed this article, but I'm no longer taking this article to featured article status. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)