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Trial of Tycho Celchu

  • Nominated by:--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 23:29, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments:I wish to know if this is good enough for you as it is for us in Finnish Jedipedia.

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Support

  1. It looks good form my eyes. Hyvää (t)yötä : ) Kreivi Wolter 09:14, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Thefourdotelipsis 11:36, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Looks good enough for me. --DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 13:52, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote --Eyrezer 19:06, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Imperialles 13:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 09:17, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Inqvote Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 01:04, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Object

The Grand Master's first look
  • At first glance, there is a substantial amount of underlinking.
    • Any better now? I'm not too sure what you mean by underlinking. Care to advice?
      • "Underlinking" means that you do not have everything linked; an article should be linked once on its first mention in the intro and once on its first mention in the body. Anyway, this is much better, although there are still some missing, extra, and incorrectly placed links. Jonjedigrandmaster Jedi symbol (We seed the stars) 17:40, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
        • Happy now? I have hard time finding more things to link but if there is still something, let me know.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:32, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • I am also seeing several grammar problems.
  • Jonjedigrandmaster Jedi symbol (We seed the stars) 20:56, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
Cylka's first look:
  • I think that the infobox should be expanded. The infobox is there to give readers the basic facts about the event without the need to read the article. In the conflict section you can state the purpose of the trial- Celchu on trial for treason and Horn's murder. You could also fill in the the important participants. The key section is for the involved affiliations.
    • Added something to each section. I don't know if I should add the Empire to affiliations part since they were manufacturing some of the evidence, but were not directly connected to the case.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • A little context is needed as to why someone had to fly to Coruscant and scout the planet.
    • I don't know if that is ever stated why Celchu was sent there. There is nothing of why in X-wing-series or The New Essential Chronology, they say he volunteered for the mission, but there is no info about why the mission was needed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:44, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • where he spent three months before he finally escaped and returned to the Rebels - Who are these Rebels? This word was linked to the Alliance to Restore the Republic, but at this point in time, it didn't exist any longer in that form.
    • I accuse Celchu for that since he is speaking about "Alliance" in Wedge's Gamble when recounting the events. Fixed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • Celchu was considered to be too untrustworthy to participate in planning or preparation. - Who considered him untrustworthy?
    • That sentence was written in passive to awoid stating presisely who thought Celchu to be untrusthworthy. It is already stated that at least Ackbar and Salm were not ready to trust him entirely. In Wedge's Gamble Corran Horn thinks that "they" (who ever "they" are) did not trust Celchu enough to allow him to participate. I fixed it but...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • In the intro you state that Emtrey was the squadron's protocol droid, but not in the article body.
  • During his time on Coruscant Celchu met with Duros weapons dealer Lai Nootka in The Headquarters cantina. Corran Horn happened to see one meeting but thought that the tall, cloaked stranger was Imperial Intelligence agent Kirtan Loor. Horn told Antilles what he had seen, but the commander answered that it was impossible, since the report said that Celchu was among the casualties from Warlord Zsinj's attack on Noquivzor. In truth, Antilles was aware that Celchu was alive and on Coruscant, but he didn't believe Celchu had met Loor. - This doesn't quite make sense. The first sentence states that Horn thought the cloaked person was Loor and the next sentence talks about Celchu being reported as dead. The third sentence is written as if Horn had told Antilles that Celchu had been the cloaked stranger. Please clear this up.
  • After Horn found out that Celchu was alive, he filed a report concerning the meeting he had witnessed in the cantina. He also mentioned that he had not seen the stranger's face, but based on its height and gait, he had positively identified it as Loor. - What did this have to do with Horn finding out that Celchu was alive?
  • Both attorneys later used this calm reaction to prove their point in the court. - This sentence doesn't really belong here since you are introducing the trial at this point, but it isn't the appropriate time for the trial. Please move this to the trial section.
  • After the battle to take down the shield - Is there an article for this battle? If not, then a redlink, stub, etc should be created for it.
  • All this made Celchu look highly suspicious to the New Republic, and only four days later, he was captured and charged with high treason and murder. - I'm not exactly sure what made Celchu look guilty. It may be because the information in the previous two paragraphs concerning Loor, Horn's report, and Celchu being alive/dead is unclear. Please look over this again.
    • "All this" was supposed to mean practically everything under the title: "Background". Changed to be more accurate.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • When General Airen Cracken revealed that he had known all along that Celchu was innocent, - How could he have known this?
    • After reorganizing the paragraphs it now says earlier that Cracken knew it from Emtrey. Or does it still need work?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:46, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • During his time among Imperials, Madine had also likely met Ysanne Isard - Does this have any bearing on the case? If not, then it doesn't need to be included.
    • Not really, but Madine in the whole doesn't have any substantial role in the whole thing. Everything about Madine is related to Ven's opinions of him and that is relevant to what Ven thinks of Madine in relation to the case.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • In my opinion, I think that the trial section would read better if you placed the Defense first, Prosecution second and Judges third. This way, Ven's thoughts about the judges will make sense. Otherwise, the reader is not sure who Ven is.
  • Alright, in the Tribunal section the thoughts of the various individuals involved are misplaced and shouldn't be there. You are stating their thoughts about events that you you haven't yet introduced to the reader, for example "When Ettyk heard that Kirtan Loor was willing to testify in Celchu's behalf, she was ready to admit that Celchu was innocent, and after Horn gave his testimony, she was quick to remove all charges against Celchu." This is all very confusing. These thoughts should be placed in the relevant section, not when a character is first introduced. I would suggest paring down the tribunal section to a straightforward introduction of the individuals involved. However, I would leave in any thoughts that they had about the judges since that is pertinent to this section.
  • Wessiri was not present when Celchu was found innocent, since she had been escorting Kirtan Loor to testify when her husband Diric had attacked her, Ven, and Loor under Isard's brainwashing. After Ven was injured and Loor shot to death Wessiri shot back and wounded the attacker mortally, only afterward realizing that it was her husband. This shock prevented her from coming to the final hearing. - This is another example of what I had just pointed out. You are speaking of events that have not yet happened, and this is confusing.
  • I'm going to stop my review here in order to give you time to make sure that statements and comments are placed in the appropriate sections. The best way to do this is to ask yourself if a particular statement is relevant to what you are currently writing about. If not, then it needs to be moved. This will probably mean that things will get shuffled around. I must say that you did a great job in fixing up the grammar and wording issues from long ago. I am finding very little fault with the sentences themselves, just their placement. Please take care of these objections and I'll continue my review. Cylka-talk- 14:48, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Use proper {{ref}} tags in the infobox. -- 1358 (Talk) 15:39, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Cylka's second look:
  • Good job with the infoxbox. Furthermore, I think that it would be a good idea to subdivide the participants into Defense, Prosecution, Judges, and Witnesses. If some individuals fit into more than one category, place in the one one that was more primary. For example, Iella Wessiri would fit better in the prosecution. I also think that you could add in Rogue Squadron under the Affiliations, since it heavily involved them.
  • after a failed attempt to sabotage Coruscant's planetary shields - I believe that "failed attempt" would be a good place to link to that Battle of Coruscant. I would have done so myself, but I'm not entirely familiar with that era and I didn't want to link to the wrong battle.
  • When introducing characters and ships, etc for the first time, it is a good idea to give them a bit of context. For example: I would write Executor-class Star Dreadnought Lusankya, a private prison. Further, I would add that Ackbar was Supreme Commander and who exactly Salm was when they are introduced. The reader then understands why these individuals had authority. Please go through and make sure that this is done throughout the article with all of the characters.
    • I would prefer not to introduce Lusankya as a ship in the Background part since no one but Isard knew it was a super star destroyer and that it was hidden in Coruscant.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • Most accusations of treason were traced back to his time in the Lusankya prison and the possibility of brainwashing. - This sentence doesn't read very well. Please rewrite it. Also, in the next sentence I replaced "aggravating" with "incriminating," if that is alright. I believe that word works better.
  • In the Interrogating the witnesses section please use the first names of the Crackens since both Pash and Airen are mentioned. It is confusing to the reader otherwise. Also, this goes along with my earlier objection in that add in who Pash and Airen were.
    • Done. But I'm still not sure if it was necessary, since I call Airen "General Cracken" to separate him from (Pash) "Cracken".--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • Cracken tried to give his testimony in a way that was favourable to Celchu but Ettyk was allowed to interrogate him as a hostile witness making it difficult. - What was made difficult?
    • Reading that sentence, possibly since even I'm not sure what I'm saying. It should be better now.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • Since Ettyk was not able to bring out the things Horn had told to Dlarit, Ven was able to point out that Horn had spoken with others before his meeting with Dlarit. That rendered Dlarit almost useless as a witness - I'm not sure how Horn speaking with others before Dlarit made her useless as a witness. Please clarify this.
  • forced Admiral Ackbar postpone the trial even further. While Ven was away, Whistler and Emtrey stayed on Coruscant to collect and process evidence that they would use in court. - This is another example of what I had mentioned before. the reader needs to know why Ackbar could postpone the trial (he was the chairman) and why were Emtry and Whistler involved with the evidence.
    • Great... Now you complain about the reader not knowing the characters mentioned after you made me move that introduction part to the bottom of the whole thing... Don't worry, I'll fix it but I had to point this out.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • It is unfortunate that more work has been created for you, however, I am only trying to ensure that the article is appealing and understandable to our readers. Cylka-talk- 23:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • I was trying to be sarcastic but I was rather tired when I wrote that comment. But now I have given more context for most of the people. Was that enough?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
          • I believe she was aware that you were being sarcastic and merely chose to ignore it, taking the high road instead. Chack Jadson (Talk) 00:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  • Isard decided to send her brainwashed puppet, Diric Wessiri, to stop Derricote - This is fine, but the next sentence talks about Diric shooting at Ven, Loor, and Iela without any mention of Derricote. Please connect these two sentences a bit more.
    • Better now? I usually try not to overuse the dash but it does have its uses sometimes...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 08:46, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • Horn's return and his simultaneous testimony with Antilles about the identity of the true traitor - What simultaneous testimony? How did Wedge know who the traitor was?
  • I'm not sure that the third paragraph of the Defense section is needed. It doesn't have much bearing on the trial itself, which the main focus of the article. Most of the sentiments of the people involved have already been stated earlier, and introducing Winter complicates things a bit.
    • Removed but I reformed some bits of it to be the new first paragraph of the section. And Winter got completely removed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • Wessiri was not present when Celchu was found innocent, since she had been escorting Kirtan Loor to testify when her husband Diric had attacked her, Ven, and Loor under Isard's brainwashing. After Ven was injured and Loor shot to death Wessiri shot back and wounded the attacker mortally, only afterward realizing that it was her husband. This shock prevented her from coming to the final hearing. - This is essentially repeating what was already stated earlier. I would pare this down to only say that Wessiri was in schock from woundeing her husband and therefore, wasn't present.
  • Context is needed for Fliry Vorru.
  • While the New Republic labeled Corran Horn as a hero of the conquering of Corucant, - This statement is fine, but the reader is not sure of what has happened. The beginning of the article talks about Celchu needing to scout out Coruscant and now it has been conquered. In order to solve this I think that at the beginning of the article you should fit in that Coruscant is under Imperial control, and then fit in somewhere that by the time of the trial, Coruscant is liberated. I know that you mention the first battle of Coruscant, but many readers will not know the specifics of that battle.
  • Please go through the article to make sure that everything is linked correctly since the article sections have been shuffled around.
  • You have done a good job with rearranging the article sections and I feel that it reads much better now. Please take care of these of these objections and I'll look at it again. Cylka-talk- 21:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Menkooroo

Question: Can you use a picture of a younger Corran? Him bearded and in Jedi robes is a bit out-of-place. Menkooroo 05:07, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • How so? He was wearing green jedi robes (taken from Galactic Museum during his escape) and hadn't shaved for a while when he arrived to the court room.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:52, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
    • I have to correct myself: Horn was wearing "pale" jedi robe, not green. But jedi robe none the less. Do you still want me to change it?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 18:54, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
      • What I meant was that that's a picture of Horn from twenty years later. Could you go with a picture of him from roughly the time period of the trial? Menkooroo 01:32, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
        • I' aware of that, but honestly, take a look at the pictures that don't pic him as a jedi: these are too small (and I would prefer colours) and this doesn't really look like Corran to me and it is too small as well. And there really is no pictures of him from that time. Other choise would be to go to his CorSec pictures but they would be even more out of place. You tell me if any of these would fit better and I will change it.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:26, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
          • Sorry to keep pushing this. It's not a big deal or a major objection or anything. I just feel like an image of a character twenty years later doesn't belong in an article when there are images of him available from much closer to the time period that the article details. If the trial had a direct impact on Horn's Jedi training, then the image might fit in some sort of "aftermath" or "legacy" section, saying "The Trial allowed Horn to become a great Jedi Knight", but as it stands, I feel like it would be like putting the main image from the Darth Caedus article in an article about the birth of the Solo twins.

            From the list that you provided me, a cropped version of this image might fit (cropped to remove the guns, maybe?). I'm not sure if it's Corran with his arms crossed in this image, but if it is, a cropped version of it would be great. I know that you want a color image, but given the circumstances, there's nothing wrong with black and white, ya know? This one may be small, but as it's Corran in his X-wing garb, it fits the bill perfectly. Ditto this one. You might have to be creative here.

            Throughout the article, images are used well in general, though. There's a big chunk of imageless space in the "Interrogating the witnesses" section, however, followed by a bunch of images in close succession. Can you maybe stick an image there, or else space the rest of the images out more? An image of one of the judges might fit. Horton Salm or Crix Madine. Menkooroo 01:25, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
            • I have actually been searching a picture of Wedge to put to that "interrogating witnesses" part, since he was one of the key witnesses. I don't like that big imageless gap either. Other choise is to move Ackbar's picture up there and put Salm down to its place (since Salm and Madine had not that much to do in that part of the trial, beside just being present in the courtroom).--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:24, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
              • Well, you're in luck, because images of Wedge is something this wiki has no shortage of. Here's a cool one of Wedge and Ackbar from roughly that time period. Here he is looking epic; here's a great live-action shot; This one is cool 'cause he's like "Hey... trust me"; here he is from a picture that you've already used Tycho and Corran from --- and there are 100 more where that came from. Menkooroo 07:33, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
                • I think I like the one with Wedge and Ackbar together but I need to crop Ackbar out since I can't think of a text that would fit ("Chairman of the court and one of the key witnesses" sounds rather far fetched to me, even when they were working together during the trial).--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
                  • Got that pic of Wedge up and added Salm to where Ackbar used to be moving our Mon Calamarean friend higher up. How does it look?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 13:30, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
          • Returning to the original topic of Corran's pic. Actually his adventure in the Galactic Museum had a lot to do with him becoming a Jedi later, since he discovered several heirlooms from his biological grandfather there. If I could word it something like this: "During his escape in addition to the files that acquitted Celchu Horn also discovered the connection he had to the Jedi", could I leave the picture there?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 08:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • A nice compromise. :^) Menkooroo 00:07, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
    • Thanks. Sorry to have gone to so much trouble about it. I should have though of that from the beginning...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
      • I actually agree with Menkooroo's original objection here about the anachronistic image. What about this image? It is from about the right period, I've cropped it to be square, and Corran is facing the right way for where the image will go in the article. --Eyrezer 11:41, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
Thingos
  • Is this a conjectural title, or is explicitly called "Trial of Tycho Celchu" in the sources? If it isn't, then any capitalized instances of "Trial" should be decapitalized.
  • I think that the infobox should probably be left without an image at all, since there is no image of the trial itself and that image in particular is of Celchu several years prior.
  • Although I'm usually loathe to ask for an over abundance of gratuitous context, the opening paragraph of "Infiltration of Coruscant..." could use some, namely on the Galactic Civil War and those involved.
  • I'm also a bit curious about the use of an image from thirty-odd years later for Horn... I realize this has been discussed before, but it wouldn't really be entertained if it were Luke Skywalker or something. There are images of Horn in the NEGTC that might suffice... if you don't like him in action, you could make a crop or something. Nitpicky, I know, but I think it's important that we retain some sort of limitation with the images. If you really feel that it's important that that particular image is used though, I shall relent. So don't think of this as a typical, hard objection. More a query/suggestion, I guess. :P
  • I've also tweaked the sectioning a bit. If you don't like it, feel free to revert it - more of a suggestion, really.
  • I've also made a few phrasing changes/improvements. Hope they meet with your approval. Thefourdotelipsis 09:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • You used some words I've never heard before and don't know what they mean but I guess they mean what they are supposed to.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • Some of your choises of words are really difficult. I speak English relatively fluently but need a dictionary to understand some of your changes.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
        • It's at a vocabulary level consistent with a lot of other articles. Let us know which words are particularly contentious, though.
          • "Clandestinely"??? (never heard the word before and needed a dictionary to find out what it means)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm going back and giving the prose a bit of a polish, and another thought occurs: You should probably find another adjective for Celchu, to avoid repetition of "Celchu." You use "the captain" once, and that's good, but "the Alderaanian" might be more specific, and would help the flow. This could also be applied to some of the other characters whose surnames appear frequently... using "the Corellian," or a rank would be good, but just make sure you establish who is Alderaanian and Corellian, or what rank a given person holds before doing this. I'll let you know when I've finished my second polish. Thefourdotelipsis 09:44, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'll see what I can do with that. There is more than one Corellian around so that might not work, but Alderaanian might do, but there is two of them as well. I'll take a look at that later today together with that context thing you asked above.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, something else: You should probably tell us how the Lusankya blasting out of Coruscant turned out, because at the moment it's left as a bit of a cliffhanger. Just a sentence or two will do. I've completed a sort of polish of the Trial section... if you want to look at some of the changes made there I'd recommend that you maybe take another look at the Tribunal and Publicity sections and perhaps brush up some of the phrasing, if you so choose. Thefourdotelipsis 11:12, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Is that good enough for that Lusankya bit? I personally find it rather irrelevant to the trial but what ever to make the article pass. (Well, almost, since I'm still reluctant to give up that pic of Corran...)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • That's excellent, thanks. It's good to put things in there, as long as you don't stray too far from the topic, just to give the article some flow. It was reading as "They saw a bloody huge Star Destroyer bursting out of the city! ...anyway, the trial was over, and such and such..." You see how that can be a little disruptive? ;) Anyway, it's not a big problem, a lot of people will make that kind of mistake, but it's just good to tie up any loose ends as briefly as possible, just so the reader doesn't get lost in the mix. Thefourdotelipsis 00:06, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
        • When you put it that way, I do see that it doesn't work. And it might take for little longer than I though to sort out the context for Tycho's mission to Coruscant related to the Galactic Civil War, since my friend needs to scan the relevant page from The New Essential Chronology for me.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:01, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Chack Jadson

Is this name canon? I'm getting the sense that it's not. If that's the case, then it needs a conjecture tag. Chack Jadson (Talk) 12:25, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

  • You're probably right. Need to check that out.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 14:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • The name is canon, but it's not spelled with capital "T" in any of the sources I have at hand at the moment. So I changed it to be spelled with lower case "t" but didn't add the conjecture tag.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • If sources call it the "trial of Tycho Celchu," then there's no need for a conjecture template. Just change "Trial" to "trial" and you're good to go. Chack Jadson (Talk) 20:30, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
        • The name is actually rather confusing. It is called "the trial of Tycho Celchu" several times in The Krytos Trap, but there is a lot of more complicate expressions used as well. But most of the time they just call it "the trial"...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Eyrezer
  • In the intro, you mention in the final paragraph that Horn had evidence that Celchu was not brainwashed. I think you need to introduce earlier - in the 1st paragraph even - that Celchu was suspected of being a brainwashed/sleeper Imperial agent, which is partly why he was suspected of the murder in the first place.
  • "Celchu was sent among other prisoners in a catatonic state." I am not sure what you mean by this. Could you reword it, please? --Eyrezer 02:59, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • "General Salm, who had been extremely suspicious of Celchu from the beginning, was angered by General Cracken's actions, since he felt that he had misjudged the captain and treated him unfairly." It is ambigious who the final "he" refers to; Salm or Cracken. Can you reword it? --Eyrezer 04:31, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • The same problem is found in this sentence: "Salm was angry because he saw how unfairly he had treated Celchu."
      • Did that fix them?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
        • Unfortunately, it hasn't. In both sentences, it is still unclear who had misjudged Celchu. Is Salm angry at himself?
          • Any better now? (I'm trying to say that Salm himself had misjudged Tycho and was angry to Cracken who had not revealed what he knew.)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:30, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • "Whistler was not happy to see Iella Wessiri helping the prosecutor but agreed to reveal some evidence the droids had found to the woman..." Could you exaplin why the droid was not happy? --Eyrezer 04:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • Simply put: because she and Whistler were "opponents"... Any better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:26, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
      • Is it not because Whistler - as Horn's R2 - had worked with Wessiri in CorSec and so was annoyed they were now working against each other? --Eyrezer 04:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • "Publicly, Celchu was branded guilty and his treason was compared to the crimes of Prince Xizor and Darth Vader." Is it known which news sources made these claims? The quote for this section suggests it might be known.
    • You mean the quote about Kuati First HoloNews? It is Salm who talks about Vader and Xizor in the novel when he complains to Cracken about ruining Tycho's reputation.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:25, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
      • Ok. I'll make a small change then, as from what you've said I take it that Salm's statement was not public. --Eyrezer 04:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
        • You misunderstood. He was voicing a public opinion, but didn't state whan it was based on. I'll see if I can find the direct quote to solve the matter.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
          • Found it. Nawara Ven says almost the same thing: "Waging a public relations war to win the hearts and minds of a planet for a man who was already being entered into the pantheon of evil with Darth Vader, Prince Xizor, Ysanne Isard, and the Emperor himself" (page 33 in my edition). And Salm says: "People were likening him to Prince Xizor and Darth Vader." (page 336).--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:43, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
            • Ah, ok. I understand now. --Eyrezer 21:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
  • I think that's it for me. Fix up these objections and I'll give it my support. --Eyrezer 04:50, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
L'Imperialles
  • Reformation of Rogue Squadron: "Under his sealed orders, his executive officer and Rogue Squadron's protocol droid M-3PO" Whose sealed orders? Whose executive officer? This sentence is somewhat confusing.
  • Conclusion: "General Salm, who had been extremely suspicious of Celchu from the beginning, was angered by General Cracken's actions, since the Y-wing pilot felt that he had misjudged the captain and treated him unfairly" This is also unclear.
    • Could you be more specific? I have changed that sentence so many times that I'm running out of ideas how to improve it any further.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 06:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • Publicity: "the decision was reversed in fear that it would turn out to be only a media event" What does this mean, exactly? Were they afraid of the trial turning into a media circus?
  • Interesting read. I made a few tweaks as I read through. --Imperialles 15:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Jujiggum
  • Is there no quote that can be placed in the "Interrogating the witnesses" section?
    • Quote added. --Eyrezer 01:00, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • Surprising revelations, and saying that "The first big surprise for the members of the court" sounds POV; to some people, this may not have been surprising, and for others, perhaps some other developments earlier in the case was a big surprise. Unless the source text actually says that this was the first big surprise for everybody, the wording here needs to be changed.
    • I've given this objection a shot. --Eyrezer 23:55, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • "After Alderaan was destroyed while Ettyk was away, the woman had been working with General Cracken." Please check your grammar here.
    • I've rewritten this. --Eyrezer 23:55, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • "Another important thing was that…" Important in whose opinion? This, too, is POV, unless the source text actually states (objectively) that this was an important thing.
    • I've rewritten this. --Eyrezer 23:55, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • As an added note, please watch your grammar. I made several simple corrections in my copy-edit; just remember to watch out for these things in the future. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 22:18, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 01:04, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

  • Why everyone is ignoring my nom?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:43, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
    • Have patience. Sometimes it can take few months before people even bother to read the article. Trust me, the users will find this eventually : ) Kreivi Wolter 14:08, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • While we have yet to develop a standard format for articles of this type, I'd suggest looking at this article to get an idea of a legal trial article's layout. I am completely unfamiliar with the source material for the Celchu Trial, but I trust that you can incorporate some of what you find in my example to help your article along its FAN path.—Tommy 9281 01:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
    • Thanks. There isn't that much differences between the two that I could notice. The other one is more detailed than mine, but it has less material to cover, so it can afford it without the article becoming too long. My material is mainly from the novel X-Wing: The Krytos Trap combined with the two previous novels X-Wing: Rogue Squadron and X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble, so the article needs to cover a lot of ground. Outside those three (plus X-Wing: The Bacta War) there is only a little information about this case in any of the source books. What I did notice being different is the name of the article; all other trial articles are named "trial of someone" or "someone vs./versus someone". But that is not my fault since I didn't create the article about this trial, only rewrote it completely.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:06, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  • How would you feel about us moving the article to Trial of Tycho Celchu? --Eyrezer 23:59, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Sounds much better to me, to be honest. I never liked the current name. Shall I do it myself of do you move it? The name on top of this nomination needs to be changed as well, I take it?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:26, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Quickie: Please link to everything upon first mention (I am refering to the infobox) -- 1358 (Talk) 12:37, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Done.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 14:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • Ugh, this should've been in the objections section, but "objection" stricked anyway. :P -- 1358 (Talk) 15:21, May 16, 2010 (UTC)¨

Vote to strike objection (Inq only)

  1. Inqvote Cylka placed a number of objections during her second review of 21 April 2010. These were all responded to by the nominator by 23 April 2010. I have reviewed all of the objections and I'm satisfied that they have been adequately addressed. Cylka has not edited the Wookieepedia since 24 April 2010. --Eyrezer 23:18, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Graestan(Talk) 00:18, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote — Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 00:28, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Nothing personal against the objector, but this irritates me when anyone does it. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 00:32, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote CC7567 (talk) 02:58, June 11, 2010 (UTC)