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S.T. Bende
- Nominated by: Dentface (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: First FAN! Let's hope this goes well...
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- Great work!! I can't even imagine doing something so comprehensive about an author or any real-life person. (Timothy Zahn 👀👀👀). -- YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his)
(talk) 04:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC) - Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 11:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Great work! I reviewed it some time ago and forgot to support, sorry :P Samonic (Ah, yes. The negotiator.) 13:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Very nicely done Commander Code-8 Hello There! 08:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
OOM 224 08:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)- JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 20:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 20:40, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Manoof
Her site notes a pinterest and youtube channel, these should be added to the External links Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- We don't have a Pinterest citation template. I usually don't add a social media site as an external link unless it's explicitly something we have a template for, unless it provides something notable to the article, which the Pinterest doesn't. Similarly, the YouTube template isn't setup to link directly to a channel, only to a specific video. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think a Youtube channel link is viable, seeing as we have similar functionality with Template:DeviantArt. Will ask on Discord and loop back. Fair call on pinterest though. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- We don't have a Pinterest citation template. I usually don't add a social media site as an external link unless it's explicitly something we have a template for, unless it provides something notable to the article, which the Pinterest doesn't. Similarly, the YouTube template isn't setup to link directly to a channel, only to a specific video. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Some of these paragraphs are very short - one or two sentences. Can you go through and combine them as appropriate? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- I understand the dislike for short paragraphs, and merged them where I thought applicable. However, in cases where I felt the subject matter was distinct, I kept the paragraphs separate. Please read the page over one more time and let me know what you think. :) Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Published works should be Bibliography Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)Regarding the cancelled product and reference 28, I can't see anything there relating to the empire strikes back, the date it was cancelled or that the product was cancelled at all (amazon listing only says "not available"). Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- The Epic Adventures Amazon page says the "not available" wording, and reviews on the page by subscribers indicate that the series was canceled after the first two drops. That's what reference 28 is pointing toward. Since the series was canceled overall, it can be inferred that The Empire Strikes Back, which was confirmed by Bende in reference 1, was canceled also. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
"Companies" field in the infobox should note the companies she worked for such as Sandvik publishing and Insight Editions Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- Per precedence with Daniel M. Lavery, Jey Parks, contracted people such as authors or artists don't have those company fields filled out. You don't see Del Rey on Lavery's page, for example. This is in contrast to Megan Ilnitzki who was a salaried employed editor at Disney Publishing, and thus has the company (and subsequent imprint) listed in the infobox. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Can we determine they were contracted and not salaried? I would think that level of information would be confidential/private? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's generally true that authors are on contract, with very few exceptions. But as you said, such level of information would be confidential/private, and us such, we can't be sure one way or the other, so it's probably good to just leave the section blank unless we have a confirmation that she was employed there. Dentface (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Can we determine they were contracted and not salaried? I would think that level of information would be confidential/private? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Per precedence with Daniel M. Lavery, Jey Parks, contracted people such as authors or artists don't have those company fields filled out. You don't see Del Rey on Lavery's page, for example. This is in contrast to Megan Ilnitzki who was a salaried employed editor at Disney Publishing, and thus has the company (and subsequent imprint) listed in the infobox. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Ref 1 doesn't note that she's american Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- You're 100% correct about the "American" reference. I have no clue what I read that had that information, but it's certainly not on that particular referenced page. I've removed the American information until I can find where I actually gleaned that tidbit. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- No worries, will wait (I couldn't see anything myself but wasn't specifically looking) :) Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Confirmed: There's no source for it. Something I misread on her Amazon page made it sound like she mentioned her place of birth, but not so in actuality. Going to just assume there's nothing out there to confirm it for now. Dentface (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)Per discussion on Discord, added it back. Dentface (talk) 11:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- No worries, will wait (I couldn't see anything myself but wasn't specifically looking) :) Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- You're 100% correct about the "American" reference. I have no clue what I read that had that information, but it's certainly not on that particular referenced page. I've removed the American information until I can find where I actually gleaned that tidbit. Dentface (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
CC-8
As nice as it is to read about an author's background as a fan, the purview of real world articles is to document contributions to SW material so there's no need to have that first section in the bio.Commander Code-8 Hello There! 10:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)- I see where you're coming from. However, I think in this case, a partial reference to her background as a fan is relevant as it informs her work on the franchise professionally. You are absolutely right though that our focus needs to be contributions to SW material, and as such, I've shortened the sections in the intro and the first body section that discuss her activities as a fan. The content is much more general now and doesn't go into detail about her time spent at conventions. If you still think we need to whittle this down, please let me know. Thanks! Dentface (talk) 07:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
OOM
Review note: I made copy-edits for concision and to eliminate redundant information. If you've got any questions, please do ask."Bende found adapting Star Wars comics for Galactic Adventures to be "a joy."" — similarly, "a joy" doesn't need to be separated into a sentence of its own; try incorporating it with the previous lines of the paragraph.Review note: for files, please remember to use underscores in place of spaces. I've fixed them for you this time.Similarly, on the topic of formatting, please ensure that the italics markup are placed immediately around the text rather than including surrounding spaces.I don't see a need to state the ranks of Jedi; "Jedi" alone is enough context.OOM 224 12:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)- Your copy edits were fantastic! I learned a lot just by reviewing them. Thank you. :)
- I reworded that sentence in the Galactic Adventures section. I hope it's a little better now.
- Files: Noted. Thank you.
- Italics: I adjusted these per what you requested, but in the cases of the quote template, I actually wasn't including the spaces within the italics markup. word'' Star Wars ''word2 is not intended to italicize "Star Wars," but instead is meant to end the italicization already implicitly started by the quotation template. I still changed it though, per your request. It does look better that way, and it visually doesn't change anything.
- Ranks have been edited accordingly.
- Question: The one thing in your copy edit that I want to draw attention to is the addition of "2019" for Bende's Epic Adventures Empire Strikes Back adaptation in the Bibliography section. It seems incorrect to put "2019" in the year column there as it was never released. Yes, the series overall was canceled that year, but a cancelation date is different than an originally intended release date. Plus, the Empire Strikes Back book may have been planned for release in the following year for all we know. As such, I personally prefer to have "Canceled" in the year column, but if you have a precedent to present or an explanation as to why it should be this way, I'm all ears. Dentface (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome. Yeah putting that year down wasn't a good idea, my bad. However the field is for years, so I don't think "Canceled" is ideal either. I don't know any precedent for this type of situation, but given what you've said, what do you think of "N/A"? OOM 224 13:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Brooke Vitale, a good article, has "Canceled" in the year tab. If you would rather keep the N/A, I'm okay with that and would be glad to change that page to fit. Dentface (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Awesome. Yeah putting that year down wasn't a good idea, my bad. However the field is for years, so I don't think "Canceled" is ideal either. I don't know any precedent for this type of situation, but given what you've said, what do you think of "N/A"? OOM 224 13:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Macaroni
I'm not a fan of the teeny-tiny Beginnings section. It can probably be merged with the one below it. The same goes for the ESB section and Galactic Tales - there's no reason why they need their own sections.JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 18:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)- I'm not normally a fan of teeny-tiny article sections either, but considering the subject matter is so drastically different between the sections, I'm inclined to keep them the way they are. Per the Layout Guide, "Two to three paragraphs of prose per section usually works well, but this is by no means a hard rule." I get where you and the Layout Guide are coming from, it's not super-duper pretty to have short sections, but in my opinion, in this specific case, it's easier for a reader to have the subject matter delineated like this.
- I absolutely agree with your point on the ESB section though, and I've merged it in accordingly. But for the Beginnings section and Galactic Tales, since they're completely different subject matters from the adjacent sections, I'm hesitant to merge them in. If the adjacent sections were also teeny tiny, I'd agree and would merge them in to be a sort of "catch-all" section, but since the neighboring sections are a little longer, I feel that it'd take away from the reading experience for 80% of a section to be about one subject and then immediately transition to something else.
- If you want to have more of a discussion about this, I'm more than happy to. I'm open to hearing more about your perspective. :) Dentface (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm happy to give in on the Galactic Tales one, but the beginnings one is really so small I'm inclined to push back a little. I'd suggest something like "Beginnings and Prequel Trilogy Stories". JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 21:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 20:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)