Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Republic Strategic Information Service

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Republic Strategic Information Service

• Nominated by: Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 16:22, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: "I've got an agency stretched thin, a bounty on my head, and an ex-wife under Senate investigation—I don't need more worries." - SIS Director

(1 Inqs/1 Users/2 Total)

Support

1. IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 02:05, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
2. Plagueis327 18:27, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Object

Floyd:

• Intro: "In 3,643 BBY, under the direction of the SIS Director, Agent Theron Shan undertook a mission to the Vesla system to find and gain information from Jedi Master Ngani Zho." What kind of information? Clarify.
  • Done.
• Early operations: "Red tape" is kind of colloquial.
  • Done.
• Same section: Context on Hylo Visz and the Mandalorian blockade.
  • Done.
• You go back and forth from referring to them as "the SIS" and just "SIS". Pick one and make it consistent throughout the article.
  • Changed it to "the SIS" except for cases where it is part of a name or title.
• Cold War: "Several years later in the aftermath of the Treaty of Coruscant, the agency was spread thin." You make it sound like the agency being spread thin was something that instantaneously occurred in the aftermath of the Treaty of Coruscant. A better way to put it would be "Over the next several years the agency became spread thin" or something to that effect.
  • Done.
• Is there an article for the Director's ex-wife? If so, link to it.
  • Done, article created.
• Same section: "The two were were followed and attacked by Sith Knights under the control of Darth Mekhis but managed to escape Taris." The two? I thought there were three: Shan, Zho, and Teff'ith.
  • Done.
• General linking issues.
  • Done.
• The second paragraph of the Cold War section is very choppy.
  • Done.
• "He was able to see the shipyard built by Darth Mekhis which was fueled by the Sun Razer that used the energy of the system's sun to create a new and experimental class of warship called the Javelin Dreadnought." This makes it sound like the Sun Razer is just a power source, but the rest of the article makes it sound like a superweapon itself. Please rectify.
  • Clarified.
• Punctuation issues in the Taking action section quote.
  • I removed the periods at the beginning as on second look the quote will work without referencing any earlier words. Other than that, everything else is exactly as written. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 04:55, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
• I would recommend a good copyedit for some grammar and flow issues.
  • I looked it over and fixed several places. The flow should be improved. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 22:41, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
• IFYLOFD ^{(Floyd's crib)} 01:45, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Review

• Good to see that the article's updated for TOR. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do that; I've heard that the game is vast beyond belief. A quick preliminary objection: Our image policy states that any fully-intact speech bubbles need to have their text left in place. As such, File:RSISdirectoroffice.png and File:RSISspeeder.png will need re-uploads. Menkooroo 18:40, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, it is! The pix have been reloaded. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 19:53, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
• The article should make it clear how this organization differs from Republic Intelligence. The intro uses "Republic Intelligence" as an alternate name for this organization, but our article on Republic Intelligence claims that it's an organization in operation as early as the Mandalorian Wars and as late as the Clone Wars. Is this organization a separate entity, is it a division of Republic Intelligence, etc? The article should spell this out. If it's not explicitly known, the article should still acknowledge the difference between the two; "Republic Intelligence" is far more than just an alternate name for the SIS.
  • I made a link at the top for Republic Intelligence. Based on Theron Shan's conversation with the SIS it appears that Republic Intelligence as a formal organization was disbanded but the name was still used when referring to the SIS. Also, the Republic Intel page does have a section dealing with the SIS that I added a while ago. I think that clarifies it as best we can without assuming anything.
    • "Eventualy replaced" might be more accurate than "Replaced" in the infobox. Also, the fact that the SIS is also known as "Republic Intelligence" is still exclusive to the intro; it needs to be in the body, and sourced. Adding to the article what you mentioned above about Republic Intelligence being disbanded but the name still being used for the SIS would accomplish this perfectly, I think. Menkooroo 01:44, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
      • Take a look.
• The intro asserts that the organization is also called "Republic Strategic Information Systems," but "Behind the scenes" seems to say that that isn't a canonical name. If it's not, it should be removed from the intro, but if it is canonical, it should be mentioned in the article proper and the BTS sentence should be rejigged. The BTS bit about the confirmation from the developer needs to be sourced to wherever he said it, too.
  • Done.
    • There's a large chunk of in-universe info sourced to the forum post, which seems odd. Canon generally doesn't come from author comments, and it's important to separate authorial intent from actual canon. I can't access the post as a guest; could you give me the gist of what it says? Menkooroo 01:44, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
      • Basically he states what is referenced in the "Overview" section that is no sourced to the codex, and then the little section that is sourced to his comments about SIS having a smaller bureaucracy, less oversight, and yet stays (mostly) within its boundaries. I would argue for his comments because he isn't just a simple author, he's also a game developer writer and while the post was made before the release of the game, his information has all been supported by events/missions in the game.
• Even if there's no data on when this organization ceased to exist, I think the article would benefit from mentioning at the end of "History" that by the time of the Separatist crisis, the Senate Bureau of Intelligence was the go-to organization for the Senate's intelligence needs.
  • Done.
    • Nice. However, as the Great Peace of the Republic lasts a thousand years, can you be more specific? Menkooroo 01:44, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
      • I did some reworking and went with the way the infobox puts it. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 13:55, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
• "Behind the scenes" should link and give context to the Timeline 2 video.
  • Done.
• Per precedent from a few other articles, a mention in the "History" section of Gnost-Dural mentioning the organization in his holodocumentary wouldn't be amiss. Ditto his journal. Menkooroo 04:14, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 14:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
• All objections struck! It seems that there are still some more updates required for TOR, though, so I'll hold off continuing for now. Menkooroo 20:14, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
• To clarify, I mean that as an objection. The article should be complete, and if it's going to take more than another three weeks to make it so, it might be worth taking the nom down and re-nomming it when it has complete TOR coverage. Menkooroo 00:05, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Trayus

• Good job so far, Coruscantfan. I always love your articles. There's just one thing for now, but I'll add to this list as I find more mentions in-game.
  • Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm hoping the forum will help as well. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 14:38, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
• The Imperial mission "Once and Future" on Belsavis reveals that twenty years prior to the game, (around 3663 BBY) the Cathar hero Prince Shange opposed the Cathar's joining with the Republic. SIS wanted him quiet, so they abducted him and his followers and took him to the Belsavis prison. They put him in statsis for twenty years, until Imperial Non-Human Relations learned of his imprisonment and sent operatives to free him and his allies so their story could create a scandal for the Republic and the SIS, thereby leading more alien species to join the Empire. The Imperial PC completes the mission as given by an Imperial Commander Byten. Let me know if you would like a quote from the mission. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:06, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  • Added.
    • Good, but you'll want to move the information about Shange's escape information down to its appropriate chronological position. Of course, since his escape doesn't really involve the SIS and it happens so long after RSIS imprisons him, you don't really have to include it; it's up to your own discretion of course, but if you're gonna keep it, it's it's gotta move down. At least that way, you can take the {{GameDS}} template out of the "Early operations" section (since the capture happens regardless of alignment) and move the escape information into the already existing DS template zone in "Other actions." Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 04:06, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
      • I'll just remove that section, seems simpler. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 21:29, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
• Also, on Ord Mantell, a mission titled "Scavenger Hunt" is offered by a woman named Alma in the refugee camp outside Fort Garnik. She asks the player (either a Republic trooper or smuggler) to retrieve a family heirloom necklace from her home in Talloran Village—a small town that had been taken over by the Mantellian Separatist Movement. When you reach her home, you're told by Ebenga, an Arconan Republic intelligence agent who discovered that Alma is in fact an Imperial spy, and that the heirloom necklace is a recording device. After the PC retrieves the necklace from scavengers outside of Talloran, he/she returns it to Ebenga (assuming light-sided choices) and Ebenga then sends it on to SIS for decryption and analysis. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 23:48, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  • Done.
• The information on the missing Republic fleets and the Dread Master's capture should be moved up to the Great Galactic War (Early operations) section, prior to the Blockade of the Hydian Way. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 23:50, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  • Done.
• On Voss, a promising Sith named Durik Vesh went into the Nightmare Lands seeking the source of the dark side energy there. He went mad in the process and was later captured by the Republic and taken to an SIS camp on the planet, where they tried to extract his addled brain for information on the Empire and the Nightmare lands. The SIS eventually decided to move him, but Darth Serevin learns of this and sends Kallig to ambush the convoy and kill Vesh. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 03:47, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. I love the word "addled" :) Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 14:18, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Cav

• Preliminary objection before I delve into the article: there are currently 7 redlinks. FA rules allow for no more than 3 in a nominated article. Please address this, and then I shall review the article proper. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 08:58, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 22:08, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
• Just one thing; you have the lightside templates covering a chunk of the article relating to the actions of player characters. Can you detail the alternative paths in the BTS and how they would affect the SIS (character deaths, etc) if the less-than-optimal path is followed? - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 13:47, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

This article now requires updates from Star Wars: The Old Republic and The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 03:45, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

• I don't have the book cause I didn't order that version of the game, so whoever does, if they can send me whatever information mentioned the SIS that would be helpful. I'm not sure how to address their appearances in game beyond simply listing it as an appearance. I haven't run accross them yet myself but my understanding is that even that would be different for the various characters? Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 16:25, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
  • As far as the game is concerned... that's going to be tough. There are a number of missions that simply mention the SIS in the premise, but their role in each of those need to be included here. I'll think about how best to approach all that, but I can help you with the book in the meanwhile. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 02:45, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
    • Sounds good. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 03:09, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
• Question before I review: Has the article been fully updated? I know that checking through the entire game would take ages, and I'm not seeing anything sourced to Gnost-Dural. How's it going on that front? Menkooroo 01:56, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes and no. My understanding from Trayus is that the Gnost-Dural book's information is already listed from other sources. As to the game: General overall information from the codex entry has already been updated as well as a couple of missions. At this point I'm just adding the major quests to the article that affect the overall storyline and I've got two or three to still add, I just haven't had time this past week. I'll probably get those updated tomorrow. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 04:40, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
    • Let us know when it's fully updated. The game is vast, so take your time in ensuring you have everything. Menkooroo 05:34, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
• It's been two months since you were advised that an update was needed --- what's the status? You haven't edited the article in a month; is the update complete? Menkooroo 21:48, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • Almost; I was planning to update the article in bulk. I'm finishing up one Nar Shaddaa either tonight or tomorrow which has the largest amount of SIS missions. Over the next two days I'll be able to add at least 5 more persons, two locations, and some other stuff. That should bring the article update with the major missions. You should be able to move forward on the nom by the middle of this week if not sooner. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 22:29, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • UPDDATE: Ok, so the overall story lines are all up to date. At this point I just need to fill in redlinks as well as create pages for several individual agents then link them into the main article. Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 06:21, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

REQUEST TO REMOVE NOMINATION: This article was nominated before the release of the game. Due to this fact, the article is now hopelessly out of date as major and minor story lines are providing a massive flood of information regarding the SIS. At this point it makes no sense to continue for me to slave over the nomination that can not be fully updated any time soon especially since I will be taking a leave of absence from the site for the month of May. As such, I request the nomination be removed till I can spend more time combing through the game and fully updating the article. Thanks Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 20:39, April 18, 2012 (UTC)