Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Invincible

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Invincible

• Nominated by: Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 04:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: First (technically second) FAN. Let's hope it goes well this time around
• WookieeProject (optional): WP:TCW, WP:CIS

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Support

Great work! JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 04:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

1. As leader of the clone wars project and fan of the Separatist military, I support this FAN Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
2. Nice work. Gotta get everything from "Cat and Mouse" to status! DwartiiDelver (talk) 01:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
3. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
4. Sorry for the extra objections, still looks great! JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 02:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
5. The Invincible Hand OOM 224 20:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
6. Samonic (Talk) 12:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
7. MasterFred(talk) 21:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Object

The Macaroni

• Tarkin audiobook is missing.
• It seems a "Commanders and crew" section is in order per WP:LG#Starship and vehicle class articles.
• You can discuss the concept art in the bts. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 04:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  • All done. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 15:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
• Not seeing a need for separate refs in infobox/body for the date. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 03:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Not sure why I added separate refs, tbh. Fixed. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 03:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
• Nubian is infobox-exclusive. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 22:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 04:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
• I think there's a bit too much on the Imperial stuff in the intro. It takes up more than third of the intro but much less than that in the body. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 02:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Is that enough content removed or is there anything more I can remove? Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 03:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
    • That looks much better. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 03:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
• Sorry, was reading this and found some more. Intro: "which caused the Invincible's tracking torpedoes to destroy its bridge and therefore the vessel as well." Why would the Invincible being destroyed cause the torpedoes to destroy the stealth ship?
• The link to Hyena-class is a redirect.
• Fight with a Jedi and destruction: you open with "shortly thereafter", but you used that phrase just a couple sentences prior, so it gets repetitive. I think you can reword it slightly. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 01:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • All done. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 01:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• I'm not loving the current opening quote. It's a little boring, in my opinion, and a more action-y quote from the episode could be better to open up the article.
• It's best to avoid ending and starting two consecutive sentences with the same word: "the modules that belonged to the Invincible were salvaged by Imperial defector Berch Teller. Teller then supposedly..."
• I wouldn't really say that something's resources themselves can result in something. Maybe reword to "its resources being sought after" or something here? "...as a result of its resources..."
• It's unclear what Trench's point is here: "despite them being in possession of such a vessel, he had had encounters with similar ships in the past." If he's saying that his experience would allow him to defeat them or something like that, it could be made a bit clearer. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 21:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
  • This bit is still unclear. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 18:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I don't know how that could be unclear. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 19:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Apologies, it's possible I was looking at an older revision or something. Looks better now. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 15:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Completely forgot to leave a message, but these should be done. However, I think the current main quote should remain since it's the only one that uses the Invincible's name in all of canon, but I can ask a member of the Inq what they might think I should do about this and get back to you on it. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 16:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I can't deal with the rest of the objections right now, but I definitely see your point there. A larger discussion could be worth having. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 16:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Quote changed. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 21:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
• Last couple things : do we know for sure that the blockade was exactly thirty craft? If so, how can there be at least 23 Munificents?
  • It's confirmed in Battles that Changed the Galaxy that there were 30 ships, but 23 Munificents can be seen in one of the shots from Cat and Mouse IIRC.
    • Great. In that case, 23, 6, and Invincible add up to thirty so saying at least isn't necessary. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 17:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
      • Lost track of time here :P Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 03:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Don't we have a date for the Tarkin events?
  • Added.
• The third Legacy paragraph has some repeated phrasing; you start two sentences with "However," which can possible use some variation.
  • Fixed.
• I promise those three are really it :P JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 16:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Heh, sure :P Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 16:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Editor joins the battle

• Wilhuff Tarkin needs his link added, nor is he mentioned in the history section. I think a brief sentence noting that Tarkin was informed the ship made up Teller's craft could be useful.
  • How's that?
• The opening quote notes the ship is modular in design, so that should be noted in the description section Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:35, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 15:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Dwartii

• I'd imagine something about the Invincible's poster appearance in "A Distant Echo" could be added to the legacy section, perhaps even alongside an image of the poster. DwartiiDelver (talk) 23:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I haven't translated the cover so maybe it dates it there (somehow), but can it be said that the Space Battles cover featuring the Invincible was actually created around 19 BBY (or even created following the ship's destruction)?
    • This one should have been done a week ago IIRC.
      • Space Battles was reflected in the article then, although my objection about dating the poster's creation came afterward. DwartiiDelver (talk) 01:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Also to confirm, have you checked the TCW S2 Blu-ray's Jedi Temple Archives special features for anything on the Invincible? DwartiiDelver (talk) 02:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Courtesy of Immi, there was nothing on Invincible except a 3D model in the Jedi Temple Archives. So, would that go into the Sources? And what would the link be? Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 15:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Gotcha—you can just add a link to Star Wars: The Clone Wars The Complete Season Two in the Sources section in that case. There is a template for the Jedi Temple Archives features, although from my experience that's only used in references, not the Sources. DwartiiDelver (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Actually, there was some notable BTS information, which I have added. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 17:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• The speakers of the legacy section quote need to be flipped around—Tarkin says the first line and the technician the second. DwartiiDelver (talk) 02:42, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 22:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• "Destruction" is currently used twice in the first tRsentence of the Legacy section's second paragraph—using another word instead for one of these would be preferable if possible. DwartiiDelver (talk) 03:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Changed. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 14:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• "Also" is currently used three times in the first two sentences of the Description section's second paragraph—at least one of those could be removed/replaced with another word.
  • Changed.
• I feel "As a result" can be removed from the intro's second paragraph. DwartiiDelver (talk) 19:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I disagree. "As a result" is valid based on how I worded the first paragraph. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 20:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wanted to double check before adding it myself—I'd imagine heavy laser cannon can be linked in the article? I only ask as currently that page just makes mention of them on all terrain walkers, although if the source uses "heavy laser cannon" I would assume it can be linked here as well.
• To me at least, refs 3-8 seem as though the engines/cannons/torpedo launchers are the source of the info about them rather than CotR, considering the placement of "which states" directly after the engine/weapon names. I may just not be reading it right however. DwartiiDelver (talk) 23:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Both done. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 00:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

OOM

• "Capital ship" is infobox-exclusive
• The part about Obi-Wan in the intro seems unnecessary to me. The only significant info surrounding that sentence is that the Republic retreated and the Invincible won.
  • How's that?
    • That's better OOM 224 18:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
• Is the last sentence of the BTS just saying that early, incomplete animation sequences involving the ship appear in the Blu-ray? That doesn't seem at all notable to me. OOM 224 22:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "As well as..." that doesn't mean the whole last sentence is about incomplete sequences for the episode. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 21:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Alright, but if the "early layout" of the battle doesn't differ from the scene in the final episode, then the part about incomplete sequences isn't necessary. OOM 224 18:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Removed. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 19:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
• I don't think manufacturers like Nubian should be listed alongside their products in the infobox
• The port/starboard info in the infobox ref notes aren't mentioned in the Description section
• "adorned with Trench's personal symbol instead of the emblem of the Confederacy of Independent Systems" — compared to what other ships?
• The intro uses "of Harch Separatist Admiral Trench" but the Commanders and crew section uses "of the Harch Separatist Admiral Trench"
• "several years after the dreadnought's destruction" — don't see a need for this when a 19 BBY date is already specified
• "and survived the attack" — I'd say this should be removed as it's redundant to the concept of salvaging things. I don't think it's necessary to say that the parts were salvaged "after the battle" either.
• Would be nice to vary the language, specifically words that appear quite a few times in the article, like "later" and "after" OOM 224 18:44, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Remaining objections resolved via Discord OOM 224 20:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Manoof

• Can you mix up one of the two captions at the start, they're both in the format "The X of the Invincible" Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Changed the first one.
• Is there a reason the Deflector shields aren't noted in the desciption? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Added now.
• "While the Republic fled, Trench's T-series tactical droid, TI-99, inquired as to whether or not they should as well" is indicating TI-99 asked whether they should flee, can you clarify this. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed. It was meant to say that TI-99 wondered if they should pursue them, don't know what happened there.
• Great example of Theseus' paradox, is it worth mentioning a brief one-liner in the BTS? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • What do you mean?
    • Thinking about it, it's close but not quite like Wikipedia:Ship of Theseus so all good Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Review note: I think you could potentially cut out some of the Legacy stuff regarding Teller's warship, but if you want to keep the amount you have the next two points are definitely relevant. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Adding new information shouldn't determine whether or not you get to keep current information if that's what I'm picking up from what you're saying.
• Can you give context to the Gulf of Tatooine? I thought it was a location on the planet until I clicked the link. "a region of space near the planet Tatooine" or similar would suffice. Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Added.
• Can we get a bit more context regarding it's destruction? He was going to ambush the convoy and then just loses his ship, was it a counter-ambush or did security escort or reinforcements for the convoy defeat the ship? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • How's that? Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 18:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Perfect thanks! Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Are the posters images that can be added to the article in the legacy section? Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 08:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Grabbed a screenshot but because of the scene it is quite dark. I've improved it a little and sent to Erebus to check. For reference the scene is at 5:49 on D+ Manoof (he/him/his) (talk) 13:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
    • It's good. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 17:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 21:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• I will address any and all possible objections when I return from vacation in 7-8 days. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 16:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
• Just noticed, what poster are you referring to? JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 15:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I never added it, but I can check. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 16:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)